Champion Changes Feedback

[Cordovan]

Today's Lamannia brings a preview of a series of changes taking place to Champions in the game:

• The Champion system has been updated. Champion crowns will now designate whether the Champion is Tier 1, Tier 2, or Tier 3. Champion buffs now randomly pick between a set of template themes after the Outer and Inner Planes where they get their boost.
• Champions still do not appear on Normal, and will only be Tier 1 on Hard. Elite will have Tiers 1 and 2, while Reaper difficulty will have up to Tier 3.
• The global damage modifier for champions has been reduced to account for new abilities. This does not affect mini boss champions.

Plane	Theme	Tier 1	Tier 1	Tier 2
Light Bearer	Mount Celestia - Heavenly & lawful	true sight	Unyielding Sovereignty at half health	death block
Aboreian	Arborea - Righteous Anger and Passion	true sight	Short damage boost at half health	mind block
Hero’s Soul	Ysgard - Valhalla ish - undying hero	fort	dodge	death block
Fey Touched	Feywild - blurry, nimble and immune to enchants and illusions	blur	true sight	enchant ward
Elemental Fury	Chaos Elemental - randomly resistant and randomly damagey but in an elemental way	random elemental resist	rand on hit damage elemental	rand death/knock/free/fort
Skyborn	Air - lightning damage/resist and free movement	electric dmg on hit	resist lightning	free movement
Stoneguard	Earth - can't knock down and physically resistant	resist acid	resist pierce/slash	knock down immune
Flame Born	Fire - Fire	fire dmg	fire resist	death block
Soul of Ice	Water - Freezing	cold dmg	cold resist	slow on hit
Mark of Chaos	Limbo - Chaos, I roll random effects	random effect		random effect
Pandemonium	Pandemonium - I'm crazy, and I make you crazy	mind block	slow on hit	vulnerability on hit
Archeron	Archeron - Land of endless battle, pro melee/missile	fort	great sunder	second wind
Mark of Law	Mechanus - Lawful clockworks, machine-like thinking	force on hit	true sight	mind block
Beast Mark	Beast lands - animal instincts make me stronger, faster.	dodge	dodge bypass	true sight
Shadow Marked	Shadow Fell....neg energy	incorporeality	resist neg	deathblock
Demon Soul	Abyss - chaotic demon	resist lightning/poison	true sight	poison on hit
Infernal Pact	9 Hells - devil pact	resist fire/poison	true sight	fort by pass
Souless	Carceri - My soul is locked in the prison plane, won’t you join me?	slow on hit		true sight
Styxian	Hades - Death, despair, don’t look back…	death block	neg resist	slow on hit
Cruel Soul	Gehena Plane - land of greed/ambition	acid dot	true sight	mind block

[Sam-u-r-eye]

Mind Block
Possessed by: Fiendish Fire Bat, Fire Bat Detonator, Kudgel, Stone Guardian

Mind Block: Some powerful influence has a hold on this creature's mind. As a result, this creature has immunity to most mind-affecting spells and abilities

was curious, and posted here for others ( http://ddowiki.com/page/Mind_Block )

[irnimnode]

At what time will it open?

[Vanhooger]

that looks good. So, if I read it correctly, cc won't be the king of reaper(but will remain useful), and that's good.

[dunklezhan]

This makes me much more comfortable with the way champs work. Theme is a great idea and should always have been how it worked. Quantity of individual buffs based on difficulty is also a great idea.

Be interested to see what the ingame inspect text says - will we still see individual buffs, or a summary icon?

Also, your table has 2 x Tier 1 columns.

Are vulnerabilities still completely random and unlinked to difficulty or theme?

[Cordovan]

This makes me much more comfortable with the way champs work. Theme is a great idea and should always have been how it worked. Quantity of individual buffs based on difficulty is also a great idea.

Be interested to see what the ingame inspect text says - will we still see individual buffs, or a summary icon?

Also, your table has 2 x Tier 1 columns.

Are vulnerabilities still completely random and unlinked to difficulty or theme?

Yeah, that confused me at first too. They get more than one buff at Tier 1.

[Cordovan]

Oh, and to explain: We're not telling you what the Tier 3 buffs are.

[DagazUlf]

I take it the column headings for the Tiers are mislabeled?


Nevermind, just super confusing then.

[Sam-u-r-eye]

Oh, and to explain: We're not telling you what the Tier 3 buffs are.

lol

Report this man for TROLLING!!!!

=)

[QuantumFX]

I notice you guys seem to be keen on screwing players that depend on all or nothing defenses (Displacement and Dodge), but are too scared to include a PRR bypass for fairness.

[Cocomajobo]

Are vulnerabilities still completely random and unlinked to difficulty or theme?

Vulnerabilities are tied to the theme as well. Not in the original table (likely because the internal one lists Vulnerabilities after tier 3 buffs which we didn't want to reveal to players outright). Listing them here now and will see about getting Cordovan to add them to the OP at some point.

Vulnerabilities:

Light Bearer - Negative
Arboreian - None
Hero's Soul - None
Fey Touched - None
Elemental Fury - None
Skyborn - Acid
Stoneguard - Electric
Flame Born - Cold
Soul of Ice - Fire
Mark of Chaos - Lawful
Pandemonium - Lawful
Archeron - None
Mark of Law - Chaos
Beast Mark - None
Shadow Marked - Light
Demon Soul - Good
Infernal Pact - Good
Souless - None
Styxian - None
Cruel Soul - None

[goldengibblet]

Oh, and to explain: We're not telling you what the Tier 3 buffs are.

How are we supposed to help debug things and report if you won't post the info we need to check? how many times does this cycle have to run until you guys stop making this mistake?

[Sam-u-r-eye]

9/20 have true seeing

This disables invis runs.
Does this affect sneaking toons?

[Sam-u-r-eye]

Oh, and to explain: We're not telling you what the Tier 3 buffs are.

I can't character copy it seems.

[SeveredSteel]

How are we supposed to help debug things and report if you won't post the info we need to check? how many times does this cycle have to run until you guys stop making this mistake?

Considering they think LGS was a success, then probably never. Not like anything happens when they make mistakes anyway. It's us, the players that get punished for their lack of vision. They never learned from the Vast & Mysterious garbage that used to go on.

[Rys]

I notice you guys seem to be keen on screwing players that depend on all or nothing defenses (Displacement and Dodge), but are too scared to include a PRR bypass for fairness.

Seconded. First thing I noticed, bunch of TS but no PRR bypass.

[changelingamuck]

Vulnerabilities are tied to the theme as well. Not in the original table (likely because the internal one lists Vulnerabilities after tier 3 buffs which we didn't want to reveal to players outright). Listing them here now and will see about getting Cordovan to add them to the OP at some point.

Vulnerabilities:

Light Bearer - Negative
Arboreian - None
Hero's Soul - None
Fey Touched - None
Elemental Fury - None
Skyborn - Acid
Stoneguard - Electric
Flame Born - Cold
Soul of Ice - Fire
Mark of Chaos - Lawful
Pandemonium - Lawful
Archeron - None
Mark of Law - Chaos
Beast Mark - None
Shadow Marked - Light
Demon Soul - Good
Infernal Pact - Good
Souless - None
Styxian - None
Cruel Soul - None

It would be nice if there was at least one type vulnerable to sonic, one type vulnerable to poison, and perhaps one type vulnerable to force, so that those damage types aren't unintentionally unbalanced compared to the more common damage types. Poison damage, especially, doesn't have as much going for it as the more common damage types since many mobs are immune.

[Wizza]

Seconded. First thing I noticed, bunch of TS but no PRR bypass.

Agreed.

Also question:

Example:

Im on LE. I see a champion of the Plane of Light Bearer.

Light Bearer Mount Celestia - Heavenly & lawful true sight Unyielding Sovereignty at half health death block

Will he have:

1) TS, Unyleding Sovereignity, Deathblock all together
2) Only the last tier of buff, only Deathblock in this case
3) Random choice between the 3
4) Other

?

Sorry if its a dumb question, just trying to understand better.

[changelingamuck]

9/20 have true seeing

This disables invis runs.
Does this affect sneaking toons?

True Seeing has never affected stealthing characters. Personally, I'm happy to see invis-cheesing whittled away at in any way possible. Stealth relies upon investment in skills, gear, ability score/enhancements/whatever else. Invis-cheesing just requires a scroll.

[Jasparion]

9/20 have true seeing

This disables invis runs.
Does this affect sneaking toons?

6/20 Deathblock, 4/20 Mind block. I think this really should be more like 7 and 3 or even 8 and 2. Im happy with reducing the impact of insta-kills on Champs, but really the CC should work most of the time.

Otherwise we just roll Locks or Ranged.

True Seeing has never affected stealthing characters. Personally, I'm happy to see invis-cheesing whittled away at in any way possible. Stealth relies upon investment in skills, gear, ability score/enhancements/whatever else. Invis-cheesing just requires a scroll.

Something affects it, because my Rogue gets spotted all the time despite having max Hide/MS, items for each, and a pretty high Dex. Im all for Champs seeing invisible, but stealth really should always be an option.