Looking at making an 18/2 or 17/3 Clonk

[Bacab]

I am really thinking hard about doing a Clonk (again). I played one extensively in the past at 20 Cap and then again at Epic GH time period.

Last time I played it, I felt super squishy...but I have read and been told that Monk is in a better place now.

My next build will either be a Clonk or a Battle Cleric (probably Axel's 15CLR/5PLD/1FTR)

What I see beneficial to 3 Monk levels vs 2 Monk levels...Easier to get my balance and jump etc higher.

I do like the level 3 Shintao goodies. I can get 1 more Wisdom enhancement (thought maybe it will lock me out of Cleric Wisdom)

Also the Level 3 Core from Shintao gives me 10% more Healing Amp.

For my feats...Thinking going Human for healing amp and bonus feat etc
I get a total of 8 Feats from level 1-20 from character level and being human
I would get 2 bonus Martial Arts feats

DPS Related
TWF, ITWF, Gtwf
Stunning Fist, Improved Crit

Caster Related
Maximize, Empower Heal, Completionist, Wizard Past life, Quicken

Another idea I had was going the Cleave, Great Cleave Route with a Quarterstaff...I have some nice Heroic level Q-Staves.
That would like more like this as far as feats go

Power Attack, Cleave, Great Cleave, Improved Crit

Maximize, Empower Heal, Quicken, Wizard Past Life, Completionist...

This build would use more spells for Crowd Control like Comet fall, Command and Soundburst etc

I guess as I write this stuff down I realize I have no idea what direction to take this.

Can I get a working Stunning Blow DC with a Q-Staff?

If I went the Stunning Fist, TWF route, I feel I have to take Human for the extra feat.

With the Q-Staff build, I am curious if Dwarf or Horc or Human would be best? Or maybe some other thing I am not considering.

If there is a good current Clonk build, please point me that way.

Anyone have experience with a Q-Staff or Handwrap Clonk and have a preference?

As always, all advice is really appreciated.

[Bacab]

Oh enhancements...just a rough draft...

If I went Human, I would at least get tier 1 Healing Amp...

I would mainly use Radiant Servant.

I would probably dabble in Henshin and SHintao and Warpriest.

Would mainly be looking at the low hanging PRR enhancements.

Also maybe a 17CLeric/2MNK/1ROG would be good for the Q-Staff speed

[Bacab]

OK how about this..
Cant fix title...
17 Cleric/2 ROG /1 Monk

Leveling Order

1 ROG (For skills..will OFC do UMD and some Traps etc...I have a lot of Trapper Gear)
2 Cleric
3 Monk
4-8 Cleric (want to get level 6 Cleric for Positve Energy Burst
9 ROG (Catch up on skills to include UMD) Also Evasion starts to be helpful
10-20 Cleric
Feats

1 Power Attack
1 (Human) Cleave
3 Combat Expertise (my Int tome would kick in here giving me 13 INT)
3 (Monk) Improved Trip
6 Maximize
9 Great Cleave
12 Empower Heal
15 Completionist
18 (Quicken...though is it as necessary as before?) Mass Heal still used?
21 Improved Crit
24 Overwhelming Crit

Though the more I look at this...I wonder if I would be better skipping Combat Expertise and Improved Trip and just focus on Crowd Controlling with Spells...and that would open up 2 feats. (maybe more of the THF chain and Wizard Past Life)

This would look like this...

1 Power Attack
1 (Human) Cleave
3 Completionist
3 (Monk) Two Handed Fighting
6 Maximize
9 Great Cleave
12 Improved Crit
15 Empowered Heal
18 (Quicken...though is it as necessary as before?) Mass Heal still used? Maybe I could fit Improved Crit here

[Whitering]

I can only tell you my experience with this...I hit that level 22-23 dreaded level range and quit the game for the better part of two years. This was my first character to 20, and it took me near 7 years to do it lol

Came back to the forums, read Axel's Battlecleric, used my +20 hear to switch to it and proceeded to ETR three times within two weeks, and cry a little inside when I had to leave it behind.

Go ahead and try it, but I'd do a heroic toon so you aren't stuck with it over epic.

[Bacab]

I can only tell you my experience with this...I hit that level 22-23 dreaded level range and quit the game for the better part of two years. This was my first character to 20, and it took me near 7 years to do it lol

Came back to the forums, read Axel's Battlecleric, used my +20 hear to switch to it and proceeded to ETR three times within two weeks, and cry a little inside when I had to leave it behind.

Go ahead and try it, but I'd do a heroic toon so you aren't stuck with it over epic.

I appreciate this "current game" observation.

I had a ton of fun with my previous battle clerics (usually I did 18Cleric/2fighter or an uncentered 17Cleric/2MNK/1FTR and used Marilith and Epic Marilith Chain)

BTW about you forum handle...

A total shot in the dark...you ever listen to the band "White Ring"?

[Vish]

Are you planning to melee?
Then I would splash heavier
Say same as battlecleric at 15/4/1
Or more melee at 13/5/2

But if you're going caster you should stay pure
I find running a melee with aura more fun than casting tho
So it depends your playstyle
And clerics will probably get a pass this year

[Bacab]

Are you planning to melee?
Then I would splash heavier
Say same as battlecleric at 15/4/1
Or more melee at 13/5/2

But if you're going caster you should stay pure
I find running a melee with aura more fun than casting tho
So it depends your playstyle
And clerics will probably get a pass this year

Yeah...its hard to choose...I have had a ton of fun on both...

As a Clonk...really the best I did was just focus on Crowd Control with spells (since I had a solid Wisdom) and spammed Stunning Fist and back then I always used handwraps with +Stunning as well.

I didn't even have Improved Critical or GTWF.

The Battle Cleric I did was 17CLR/2MNK/1FTR and was really fun. Since there have been many passes...I just look at Axel's build and the bonus HP and CON make me think I could live through a lot.

When I did my Clonk...I wasn't too proud to swap to a heavy shield and full plate and turtle up if it was that type of quest or situation.

Really hard to choose lol.