Build request: Pure Monk PDK with Bastard-/Longsword

[Robbenklopper]

Hello everyone,

I´m looking for;
Pure Monk
PDK (+1 LHOW is banked)
TWF
Whirling Steel Strike (While you do remain centered you do not receive the benefit from the A Dance of Flowers +[0.5/1.0/1.5][W] ability still bugged?)
Longsword (or bastardsword)
Henshin T5 with ELCAS (if the build could make use of bastardsword with Nightmare the fallen Moon would be lovely).
mainly WIS build
having CKT and KTA for good DCs

He has 3 for fighter pastlifes (36 pts), +5 tomes for STR+CON, +4 tomes for any else. I´m not into active sneaking or poison focus if it would be about Enh/APs in ninja build, but 11 AP always for SVeil.

Thx in advance!

[cru121]

can a pure monk stay centered with bastard sword?

[Robbenklopper]

can a pure monk stay centered with bastard sword?

I´m afraid not to what i know. If there is no other Option than to MC, please drop my idea for b-swords.

[Vish]

Whirling steel
Stay centered with longsword
Need prof

Str 8
Dex 14
Con 14
Int 12
Wis 16 +4
Cha 16 +3

Feats 8 + 3
Longsword1PDK
Whirling steel strike 1monk
Weapon focus slashing 1feat
Dodge2monk
Twf3feat fists of light
Mobility feat6
Combatexpertise6monk
Spring attack9
Ic slash12
Whirlwind15
Itwf18


Gtwf
oc
PTWF
Blinding speed
Tactician
Dire charge
Astral
Epic reflexes

Skills concentration, balance, jump, Umd

Henshin tier5 41
Everything you can take

Shintao 16
Reed, deft,iron skin, conditioning,+1 wis core2

Ninja 13
Shadow veil
Mp boost
Max dodge and dodge

PDK 10
Cormyrian knight training
+1 cha, +1 wis
+20 hamp
Damage boost, saves boost

Optional
Kta 8
Here I would drop ninja points to add kta
I don't like clickies anyways for defense

Ok so I had to do research to figure this out
Got it wrong several times
Still not sure if it's right,
But these are notes
Figured you supported monks so well
It deserves a look
Didn't know monks could be built like this
It should be pretty effective with the split
Went with whirlwind as the whirling steel idea
Has ww by 15 so easy PDK build starting
Best I could do bud

[Robbenklopper]

Thank you Vish for taking the time! This give me good Framework to build up on with maybe slight modifiers (not sure about WWA on a not-wrap build).

[unbongwah]

Whirling Steel Strike (While you do remain centered you do not receive the benefit from the A Dance of Flowers +[0.5/1.0/1.5][W] ability still bugged?)
Longsword (or bastardsword)
Henshin T5 with ELCAS (if the build could make use of bastardsword with Nightmare the fallen Moon would be lovely).

WSS doesn't apply to bastard swords, so the only way to be centered with Nightmare would be a monk / Kensei split with One w/Blade; but that blocks T5 Henshin, of course, so you still couldn't combine it.

Whirling steel strike 1monk
Weapon focus slashing 1feat

WF:Slash req's BAB 1; so you can't take it at lvl 1 on a pure monk. You can move up Dodge + Mobility; not sure what you would take as your lvl 2 monk feat instead though (Deflect Arrows or Precision maybe).

OP: if you're building around T5 Henshin, you may wish to consider SWF+PSWF to slightly increase Void Strike's instakill chance. If you're going flavor build anyway...

[boredman]

Hello everyone,

I´m looking for;
Pure Monk
PDK (+1 LHOW is banked)
TWF
Whirling Steel Strike (While you do remain centered you do not receive the benefit from the A Dance of Flowers +[0.5/1.0/1.5][W] ability still bugged?)
Longsword (or bastardsword)
Henshin T5 with ELCAS (if the build could make use of bastardsword with Nightmare the fallen Moon would be lovely).
mainly WIS build
having CKT and KTA for good DCs

He has 3 for fighter pastlifes (36 pts), +5 tomes for STR+CON, +4 tomes for any else. I´m not into active sneaking or poison focus if it would be about Enh/APs in ninja build, but 11 AP always for SVeil.

Thx in advance!

How about a kensai monk and can save your heart for later. 12monk/8 fighter (or 15monk/5 fighter if trying with quivering palm at the loss of strike with no thought from kensei) using kensei tier 5 enhancements for staying centered with the weapons you want. Henshin is for quarterstaffs mainly so you will be losing a lot of power by using other type of weapon and I think you can't use centered bastard swords unless you use kensei tier 5 one with the blade.

[Vish]

Thank you Vish for taking the time! This give me good Framework to build up on with maybe slight modifiers (not sure about WWA on a not-wrap build).

Str 8
Dex 15
Con 14
Int 12
Wis 15 +4
Cha 16 +3

Feats 8 + 3
Longsword pdk1
Dodge monk1
Mobility feat1
Twf monk2
Weapon focus slash feat3
Spring attack feat6
Whirling steel strike monk6
Combat expertise feat9
Whirlwind feat12
Ic slash feat 15
Itwf feat18

Ok losing the bab at first level really messed some things up
Had to up dex to 15, lower wis to 15
The first build was elegant but wrong
This will make a pretty average stat build out of PDK and ckt
The alternative is to go human and just use dex and ninja it
Having to stat charisma really flavors this bad
And staying pure is respectable
But a mc would do it better with longswords

About whirlwind, well it's whirling steel
And if you go cleaves then you have to stat strength
Or you could go PDK but go dex
That would consolidate stats
But I commend you on going longswords
Didn't know monks could do this
It's a workaround, more for mc, but you go

[Robbenklopper]

WSS doesn't apply to bastard swords, so the only way to be centered with Nightmare would be a monk / Kensei split with One w/Blade; but that blocks T5 Henshin, of course, so you still couldn't combine it.

WF:Slash req's BAB 1; so you can't take it at lvl 1 on a pure monk. You can move up Dodge + Mobility; not sure what you would take as your lvl 2 monk feat instead though (Deflect Arrows or Precision maybe).

OP: if you're building around T5 Henshin, you may wish to consider SWF+PSWF to slightly increase Void Strike's instakill chance. If you're going flavor build anyway...

Yeah i remember the blog (i think it was Saekee who posted) about SWF+ Line for 10% void killing, drains+HP by Nightmare paired with boosts from KTA+CKT to QPalm´, it is a quite interesting get-you toon. It´s not out of my mind, but would break my zoo of pure Monks.
Before the above, i´ll try the pure WWS build with longswords (can still Slot lvl drain Rubys) and T5 Henshin (+ voidstrike)
Indeed the SWF+ line you baited me with is great, but his 1st Monk life i´ll do him TWF (double Rubys!) T5 Henshin,and later the SWF+ line.

Thx all for their help!

[Robbenklopper]

How about a kensai monk and can save your heart for later. 12monk/8 fighter (or 15monk/5 fighter if trying with quivering palm at the loss of strike with no thought from kensei) using kensei tier 5 enhancements for staying centered with the weapons you want. Henshin is for quarterstaffs mainly so you will be losing a lot of power by using other type of weapon and I think you can't use centered bastard swords unless you use kensei tier 5 one with the blade.

Your Suggestion is good and not out of my mind, i´ll Keep it for the joy of TWF Monk with b-swords!

[Robbenklopper]

Str 8
Dex 15
Con 14
Int 12
Wis 15 +4
Cha 16 +3

Feats 8 + 3
Longsword pdk1
Dodge monk1
Mobility feat1
Twf monk2
Weapon focus slash feat3
Spring attack feat6
Whirling steel strike monk6
Combat expertise feat9
Whirlwind feat12
Ic slash feat 15
Itwf feat18

Ok losing the bab at first level really messed some things up
Had to up dex to 15, lower wis to 15
The first build was elegant but wrong
This will make a pretty average stat build out of PDK and ckt
The alternative is to go human and just use dex and ninja it
Having to stat charisma really flavors this bad
And staying pure is respectable
But a mc would do it better with longswords

About whirlwind, well it's whirling steel
And if you go cleaves then you have to stat strength
Or you could go PDK but go dex
That would consolidate stats
But I commend you on going longswords
Didn't know monks could do this
It's a workaround, more for mc, but you go

Thx for the build-update!
Really has to be PDK, no human. Dividing the stats will be tricky and maybe bad for flavor, but i´ll do some crafting to compensate. Thought about the MC, but it´s on last Position for me, but maybe his 3rd Monk life. At first, i´ll be the WSS longsword build.

[boredman]

Thx for the build-update!
Really has to be PDK, no human. Dividing the stats will be tricky and maybe bad for flavor, but i´ll do some crafting to compensate. Thought about the MC, but it´s on last Position for me, but maybe his 3rd Monk life. At first, i´ll be the WSS longsword build.

If going pure monk with longswords and Whirling Steel Strike you may consider Ninja spy tree over Henshin since it gets you +1 crit range, +1 crit mult, vorpal, sneak damage (that works well using unbalancing strikes, no need to stealth or sneak if that is what you were thinking), shadow double for doublestrike, flashbang when some cc needed, some poison dmg, etc), while henshin only gives you some meele power, void strike and every light casts a shadow. (probably going fists of light would be more useful than darkness for self heal with healing ki, but touch of death could be good dmg while leveling)