Help with Khopesh build

[Stargawd]

Long time player who recently came back to the game after a 10 monthish departure. I was a pure Ranger when I came back, played it for a while and got bored. Started a Pally life with plans to stay that way for a while, THF build but I just find myself bored with the THF pure pally, powerful as it may be. I have always prefered TWF and have amassed many years worth of khopeshes. I was playing around with the creation screen for a long time before I settled on Pally but couldn't figure out with the changes that certain classes have undergone since I have been gone whats going to work. Toon has all PL's and decent yet slightly outdated gear for endish game. Looking for build recommendations with the only real restriction being I will be wielding kopeshes. Any advice would be greatly appreciated

[unbongwah]

I was a pure Ranger when I came back, played it for a while and got bored.

Perhaps you could be more specific: what did you find "boring" about this toon? I.e., what do you want to be able to do that a pure Tempest can't do?

Is it the lack of trap skills? A Tempest Trapmonkey is the obvious alternative.

Is it the lack of tactical feats? A pure Kensei or maybe a Tempest / Kensei hybrid might be the answer.

Etc. Can't help you if you're not more specific about what you want.

[Hazelnut]

Long time player who recently came back to the game after a 10 monthish departure. I was a pure Ranger when I came back, played it for a while and got bored. ... I have always prefered TWF and have amassed many years worth of khopeshes. ... Any advice would be greatly appreciated

I don't remember when the ranger pass happened, but it wasn't a huge change to the ranger PrEs. They pretty much just updated them to reflect the changing power mechanics of DDO. It happened a while ago, possibly around the time you said you left.

So, everything you know about rangers should be pretty current/valid.

Since you posted in the multi-class forum, I assume you are looking to splash something in with your ranger.

I'm partial to 1 rogue (for trapping), 1 barbarian (for fast movement, rage, and added AC/PRR/MRR), with 18 ranger on my tempest build.

I also have a 12 Ranger / 8 Rogue that is quite fun but will have the build gurus throwing fits at how sub-optimal it is.

In my opinion, you need a lot of ranger to take advantage of what it has (at least 6 levels and preferably 11 levels). Although, I'm definitely not the best character builder on the forums so take what I say with a grain of salt.

[Stargawd]

Honestly though silly I find pure builds generally "boring" this is more of a thing from the days when capstones were mostly pretty lackluster. The pure ranger was decent DPS,but the tempest tier 5's all seem pretty meh and as stated tend to enjoy multi classed builds that generally aren't FOTM. Know this doesn't help clarify the question much....Are centered kensai builds viable again? Could a 11/12 Ranger 6Pally 2/3 Something work? 12 Pally 6 Ranger 2 Something, the last 2 would be very stat intensive to pull off?

[boredman]

Honestly though silly I find pure builds generally "boring" this is more of a thing from the days when capstones were mostly pretty lackluster. The pure ranger was decent DPS,but the tempest tier 5's all seem pretty meh and as stated tend to enjoy multi classed builds that generally aren't FOTM. Know this doesn't help clarify the question much....Are centered kensai builds viable again? Could a 11/12 Ranger 6Pally 2/3 Something work? 12 Pally 6 Ranger 2 Something, the last 2 would be very stat intensive to pull off?

Don't know why you find tempest meh, since its actually a powerful meele tree with dance of death for aoe dmg, a thousand cuts for burst dmg, dual perfection, evasive dance, etc. Also tempest capstone is very good giving not only good damage but also some defenses. Another good thing of ranger is that you get free manyshot when ranged damage is needed. For me there is little reason to multiclass a tempest ranger, except maybe for trap skills if care the xp bonus.

About kensei twf builds, sure, they are viable and do good damage but compared with pure ranger tempest they dont get aoe dmg like dance of death for example, also dont get cure spells and fom, also have to invest on ranged feats or multiclass for manyshot, etc. They get more tactical dc though.

About class splash if want to try a paladin, many of them splash ranger (paladin 15/ranger 5), because tempest tree is powerful, otherwise pure 20 paladin.
Fighter gets much more multiclass options like fighter 12/monk 4/Ranger 4, fighter 18/monk 2, Fighter 12/monk 6/paladin 2 (if bladeforged), Fighter 12/ranger 6/2x, Rogue 12/fighter 6/monk 2 or 13/6/1, etc.(with fighter 6, 8 or 12 or 18 generally good lvl spots for fighter kensei multiclass).

[Stargawd]

Don't know why you find tempest meh, since its actually a powerful meele tree with dance of death for aoe dmg, a thousand cuts for burst dmg, dual perfection, evasive dance, etc. Also tempest capstone is very good giving not only good damage but also some defenses. Another good thing of ranger is that you get free manyshot when ranged damage is needed. For me there is little reason to multiclass a tempest ranger, except maybe for trap skills if care the xp bonus.

About kensei twf builds, sure, they are viable and do good damage but compared with pure ranger tempest they dont get aoe dmg like dance of death for example, also dont get cure spells and fom, also have to invest on ranged feats or multiclass for manyshot, etc. They get more tactical dc though.

About class splash if want to try a paladin, many of them splash ranger (paladin 15/ranger 5), because tempest tree is powerful, otherwise pure 20 paladin.
Fighter gets much more multiclass options like fighter 12/monk 4/Ranger 4, fighter 18/monk 2, Fighter 12/monk 6/paladin 2 (if bladeforged), Fighter 12/ranger 6/2x, Rogue 12/fighter 6/monk 2 or 13/6/1, etc.(with fighter 6, 8 or 12 or 18 generally good lvl spots for fighter kensei multiclass).

Ended up deciding on the 15/Pally5Ranger split before I saw this post,but I was planning on taking KOTC to tier 5 over Tempest for the 2nd Cleave and Sealed life. Would you recommend Tempest 5 over Kotc?

[slarden]

Ended up deciding on the 15/Pally5Ranger split before I saw this post,but I was planning on taking KOTC to tier 5 over Tempest for the 2nd Cleave and Sealed life. Would you recommend Tempest 5 over Kotc?

15/5 twf khopeshes worked really really good for me. I went tier 5 Tempest. Recent quests have large packs of mobs and dance of death is key. I also took dual perfection, many cuts and whirling blades in Tempest.

[boredman]

Ended up deciding on the 15/Pally5Ranger split before I saw this post,but I was planning on taking KOTC to tier 5 over Tempest for the 2nd Cleave and Sealed life. Would you recommend Tempest 5 over Kotc?

15/5 twf khopeshes worked really really good for me. I went tier 5 Tempest. Recent quests have large packs of mobs and dance of death is key. I also took dual perfection, many cuts and whirling blades in Tempest.

Pretty much this, dance of death, one of the cuts, whirling blades and full offhand damage vs paladin cleave and few meele power (dps perspective), but the good thing is that you can try both trees and see what feels better for you. Enhancements changes only cost some pp. (note that you can also take some enhancements mixed from both trees like for example exalted cleave or some kotc cores while being mainly at tempest and vice versa)

[unbongwah]

The pure ranger was decent DPS,but the tempest tier 5's all seem pretty meh

No offense, but if you honestly believe that, you either have unrealistically high expectations of tier-5 abilities or you were playing Tempest wrong. Dance of Death is one of the best AoE atks in DDO and Thousand Cuts is one of the best burst-DPS boosts (not least because it stacks with Haste + racial Dmg Boost). Add in Dual Perfection for full dmg bonus to your offhand (the only such option for dual-wielders) and you can see why some people complain that pure Tempests are OP.

Probably my only complaint with Tempest is the Whirling Blades line seems weak by comparison: 10 APs for "only" +7 dmg? Come back with some real DPS next time!

[adrian69]

No offense, but if you honestly believe that, you either have unrealistically high expectations of tier-5 abilities or you were playing Tempest wrong. Dance of Death is one of the best AoE atks in DDO and Thousand Cuts is one of the best burst-DPS boosts (not least because it stacks with Haste + racial Dmg Boost). Add in Dual Perfection for full dmg bonus to your offhand (the only such option for dual-wielders) and you can see why some people complain that pure Tempests are OP.

Probably my only complaint with Tempest is the Whirling Blades line seems weak by comparison: 10 APs for "only" +7 dmg? Come back with some real DPS next time!

Right, pure tempest is as competitive as revamped kensei still, where paladin and barbarian fell off as specialization classes again.

If anyone is looking for a good Khops MC, then 12 ftr 7 wizard 1 rogue or barb is decent. Anything with 6 ftr, but preferably 8 or 12 ftr is going to be awesome. a