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[BigErkyKid]

ejidz in fire stance has stacking amp, zeal gives spellpower, exalted gives spellpower/amp, store pot gives stacking spellpower and d crsusader which i picked has stacking heal amp.
Your numbers are minimal, i might have said ran gen staff, but rest was maxed out.
You count 60 devotion only, 20 skillranks 10 epic levels, 4 ghero 2 finisher shipies and a lets say minimal stat of 18 start 6 tome (wont add 7), 2 complet 4 pots /yugo and remnant, and 25ish from item, makes it 65, 55/2 27ish, with the added before 36 thats 64 before adding a item and the rest of the stacking sources dont let me started on good luck augments and wisdom from cores that you get. That is without skill tome.
Crit chance as well wont be 36% but with slavers 27% 5% base and empyrian 10 to a okish number of 42% ( i am not aware that ene crit works with positive spells)
Spellpower when in drcusader is vastly higher as well with its clickie.You say 461 devotion only, you dont count heal skill book, completionist and for implement you count 32 only and dont add leg gsteel

Store pots? Divine crusader abilities? Legacy epic loot that is totally outclassed by other gear choices? Picking magical training as a feat?

I am not trying to pick a fight, but surely we can agree that those are all bad choices. LD is by far the best choice for a monk.

As for heal skill, you can add 30-40 to it, I didn't check carefully my total, but it won't affect the numbers much. All that to say that even in a quite maxxed out monk (Pls, best gear, and even gimping yourself a bit for more heals) , most heals will be under 1k, and crits between 1-2k. Of course assuming that you are trying to build a good toon, not just showcase the maximum potential of healing ki.

[Vish]

I am not trying to pick a fight, but surely we can agree that those are all bad choices. LD is by far the best choice for a monk.

I would say grandmaster of flowers is best for monk
But really it depends the monk
Henshin I ran gmof was welcome adds
Ninja I ran shiradi as thrower
Shintao I plan gmof, but will switch to ld for slavers, post 28

Gmof has sweet deals for ki using monk
I find blitz to be more auto attack style
For a swords ninja, has hi ki usage, gmof is good coverage
I find I would like to twist at least dance of flowers, if not enlightenment,
When in ld
So gmof is suited to monks

Oh ya
And gmof has
Standing in Stone

[Kebtid]

Store pots? Divine crusader abilities? Legacy epic loot that is totally outclassed by other gear choices? Picking magical training as a feat?

I am not trying to pick a fight, but surely we can agree that those are all bad choices. LD is by far the best choice for a monk.

As for heal skill, you can add 30-40 to it, I didn't check carefully my total, but it won't affect the numbers much. All that to say that even in a quite maxxed out monk (Pls, best gear, and even gimping yourself a bit for more heals) , most heals will be under 1k, and crits between 1-2k. Of course assuming that you are trying to build a good toon, not just showcase the maximum potential of healing ki.

You are wrong when you say ld is best choice for a monk.
If you said unarmed monk then yes i would agree (and even that is questionable tbh), but there are so many things you can do with a monk.
And as i said, i showcased not max maxed healing ki hits but very decent nearly maxed heal ki hits.
The issue with your post is that you assume that healing ki should be the only source of healing for a monk when we have wonderfull store pots, cocoon, heal scrolls and in last case silver flame pots.
Not gonna nitpick but your way to play the game to me is questionable as you dont use all the tools you have at your disposal and want to make a complex to play class a easy 1 button mashing class.

Idk what you want from monk, its in a good spot as it is.
Stay away from its complexity and go play warlocks

Also multiclassing yo, when i did it they didnt add the 2w into 20 core and some multiclass options were better

[BigErkyKid]

You are wrong when you say ld is best choice for a monk.
If you said unarmed monk then yes i would agree (and even that is questionable tbh), but there are so many things you can do with a monk.

That's what I assumed we were talking about. Certainly DC is not the best, at least not in the current meta.

And as i said, i showcased not max maxed healing ki hits but very decent nearly maxed heal ki hits.

Using jidz / DC / store pots / magical training / etc. Those are not optimal choices, do we agree?

The issue with your post is that you assume that healing ki should be the only source of healing for a monk when we have wonderfull store pots, cocoon, heal scrolls and in last case silver flame pots.

Absolutely not, I never said so. I was just contending your claim that healing ki is 1700-2000+ average. It absolutely is not on a monk that is playing in LD and is well geared (not even with triple everything).

Not gonna nitpick but your way to play the game to me is questionable as you dont use all the tools you have at your disposal and want to make a complex to play class a easy 1 button mashing class.

And again, you should read my posting history. I am constantly arguing for MOAR button mashing. If anything I think that monk now is TOO EASY to play.

Idk what you want from monk, its in a good spot as it is.
Stay away from its complexity and go play warlocks

It really isn't. Henshin abilities are not good (ki, wave), monk finishers (specially dark) are rarely ever used, single target in a sea of mobs. It is "good" as in does decent damage, not as in we have updated all the necessary monk abilities. If anything, I would say that if YOU think it is "good", then it should be you staying away from monk since you don't understand all their abilities.

Again, i don't think we are that far off in opinions. But the healing ki point you made just went against me experience, so I decided to check it. It just doesn't hold water man.

[BigErkyKid]

I would say grandmaster of flowers is best for monk
But really it depends the monk
Henshin I ran gmof was welcome adds
Ninja I ran shiradi as thrower
Shintao I plan gmof, but will switch to ld for slavers, post 28

Gmof has sweet deals for ki using monk
I find blitz to be more auto attack style
For a swords ninja, has hi ki usage, gmof is good coverage
I find I would like to twist at least dance of flowers, if not enlightenment,
When in ld
So gmof is suited to monks

Oh ya
And gmof has
Standing in Stone

GMOF should be the default, sadly it is severely lacking in the DPS department. Unless you are minmaxxing some raid run and want EiN, I doubt that it is a good idea to play GMoF. Of course everyone is free to choose his/her own fun, but sometimes such DPS abyss has a toll.

[Kebtid]

Of course they arent optimal because i wasnt lv 30 and i just wanted to test on a purer monk how things stand and as multiclass i went for 1 wiz level for utility and rogue /i like free quicken, sue me for that, trd 3 times on 3 diff builds of 3 diff monk combat styles, trd alt to a ranged monk style, im pretty much testing it all in a short ammount of time in high end content, and purely leveling with ee bravery, monk is really good now its capable of everything if played right.
Someone who jumps from current meta to next meta will have issues playing him right as its the most clickie intensive class in this game and actually the hardest to play correctly.
You have the most damage avoidance tools with abu step/sh fade/dodge and quite reasonable prr you can reach as monk and total ignorance for aoe based spells.
You dont need as much healing as a barb but if you do, you can build for it.
You can revisit the pheonix build if you really want a healing amp focused selfheal monk, would look slightly different but atm it would have several options of full heal, you just need to multiclass.
But imho a pure monk has all the capabilities to survive in 99% content /1% being those unlucky champs where you really cant do anything

[BigErkyKid]

Of course they arent optimal because i wasnt lv 30 and i just wanted to test on a purer monk how things stand and as multiclass i went for 1 wiz level for utility and rogue /i like free quicken, sue me for that, trd 3 times on 3 diff builds of 3 diff monk combat styles, trd alt to a ranged monk style, im pretty much testing it all in a short ammount of time in high end content, and purely leveling with ee bravery, monk is really good now its capable of everything if played right.
Someone who jumps from current meta to next meta will have issues playing him right as its the most clickie intensive class in this game and actually the hardest to play correctly.
You have the most damage avoidance tools with abu step/sh fade/dodge and quite reasonable prr you can reach as monk and total ignorance for aoe based spells.
You dont need as much healing as a barb but if you do, you can build for it.
You can revisit the pheonix build if you really want a healing amp focused selfheal monk, would look slightly different but atm it would have several options of full heal, you just need to multiclass.
But imho a pure monk has all the capabilities to survive in 99% content /1% being those unlucky champs where you really cant do anything

I am playing a pure punchy shintao light monk with quite a lot of gear and PLs. No need to convince me.

But...

Healing ki is NOT 1700-2000 average on a good monk, period.

Most active abilities are almost never used.

The second point is more debatable, the first isn't.

If you go through the list of finishers and abilities you'll notice a whole bunch that are cool but never used. For a hint, take a look at dark monks.

[Kebtid]

I am playing a pure punchy shintao light monk with quite a lot of gear and PLs. No need to convince me.

But...

Healing ki is NOT 1700-2000 average on a good monk, period.

Most active abilities are almost never used.

The second point is more debatable, the first isn't.

If you go through the list of finishers and abilities you'll notice a whole bunch that are cool but never used. For a hint, take a look at dark monks.

And i said that they are useful when you combine with dod, and even if you have the gear from all your history in posting and your issues with elites, epic elites and legendary elites even on fotm builds i am fully aware that you are not capable of playing a character correctly.
You are asking for things that classes dont need, you debate about abilities that dont need to be used as main "dps" or healing output.
Its just, im tired of your posts, even after a little break and well my macc being banned i see you are still the same and pursuing some crusade for no benefit for the community at all.
STOP, just roll a warlock and get away from monks.
Even you should be capable to play a tanklock.

You can build around healing if you think you need it, now you want to argue how you cant hit heal numbers because its a "bad" monk yet you consider a good monk to have issues with selfhealing.
Cmon man, decide on your standpoint alrdy, we dont need more heals, we didnt need before but a full heal that we got is very welcome.

[BigErkyKid]

And i said that they are useful when you combine with dod,

Enough said on active abilities. So to make them useful you need to take t5 of another class? rolf. You make the point loud and clear with this sentence, even though I am not sure that you proved what you think you proved...

and even if you have the gear from all your history in posting and your issues with elites, epic elites and legendary elites even on fotm builds i am fully aware that you are not capable of playing a character correctly.

Unlike your divine crusader monk? Please.

You are asking for things that classes dont need, you debate about abilities that dont need to be used as main "dps" or healing output.

Derp! because those are the SPECIAL abilities that monks have. Cocoon, scrolls, pots, blitz, crit multiplier, all those can be used by any build. The point is to make the classes feel special in some sense, and that's what the extensive list of finishers and abilities was meant to do. If 3/4 are barely ever used then its a fail.

Its just, im tired of your posts, even after a little break and well my macc being banned i see you are still the same and pursuing some crusade for no benefit for the community at all.

The only reason why I engaged you is because you were making crab up with some outlandish claims of 2k average heals. This is simply not true, but since you are unable to show me where those 2k heals come from you engage in some trash talk. Sorry buddy, it ain't true.

You can build around healing if you think you need it, now you want to argue how you cant hit heal numbers because its a "bad" monk yet you consider a good monk to have issues with selfhealing.Cmon man, decide on your standpoint alrdy, we dont need more heals, we didnt need before but a full heal that we got is very welcome

Reading comprehension fail. I said that monk heals are in a perfect spot now. So go beat the straw man some more. Being fine doesn't mean that someone like you can come and make crab up. I call it when I see it.

[Kebtid]

If you were to min max you would come to a average better number.
Dcrusader n all that junk was just to test average heal, to mess around what the finisher is capable off in a staff combat specialized build that just finished a ee wgu for bravery xp (i didnt want to be stoned, makes sense since i was solo, right?)
But hey, if you find it offensive that someone tells you to stop spreading nonsense and to tackle the issue directly then move on.
15 levels of another class?
Since when did you need 15 levels of ranger for dod?
You utterly fail at this game so pls stop posting those misleading threads, you are just like another player known around here who has his own personal view on the game and has a strong belief that is the only correct one.
Deal with the fact that you maybe have worse reaction times irl and that you are not capable of pulling off things that most of us can.
Thus play something more suited for you, like warlocks.
K?

And leave monks alone unless you have a good suggestion, like couple i pointed out.

[BigErkyKid]

If you were to min max you would come to a average better number.

Barely.

Dcrusader n all that junk was just to test average heal, to mess around what the finisher is capable off in a staff combat specialized build that just finished a ee wgu for bravery xp (i didnt want to be stoned, makes sense since i was solo, right?)
But hey, if you find it offensive that someone tells you to stop spreading nonsense and to tackle the issue directly then move on.

That is the problem. Some uninformed reader finding your statement that you average 1700-2000 on ki finishers in "minmaxed" builds and thinking it is true. It isn't, I can build better heals (closer to that number you pulled from your sleeve, but not that), but I choose not to because it isn't worth it.

Since I think it is pretty obvious from looking at my quick numbers on the issue (see the thread) who is right (hint: not you), I think it is time to stop beating that dead horse.

15 levels of another class?
Since when did you need 15 levels of ranger for dod?

Reading fail again...

You utterly fail at this game so pls stop posting those misleading threads, you are just like another player known around here who has his own personal view on the game and has a strong belief that is the only correct one.
Deal with the fact that you maybe have worse reaction times irl and that you are not capable of pulling off things that most of us can.
Thus play something more suited for you, like warlocks.
K?

No need to get nasty. I asked you how you get getting those numbers because I was genuinely curious to see if I was missing something. You obviously took it personally when it was exposed that you were reporting an exaggeration, but it wasn't my intention. It might be surprising to you but sometimes people are eager to learn from others if they think that they are doing something better.