The Definitive Quivering Palm & Max Wisdom Thread

[Arlathen]

So, it's time we Monks determined what our Maximum Quivering Palm DC is likely to be, and exactly which bonuses actually work to this ability.

Current 'reasonable' Max Wisdom
18 Base
07 Levels
07 Tome
08 Enhancements (4 Primary Tree Capstone, 2 Primary Tree, 2 Secondary Tree) *1
02 Completionist
17 Item: Enhancement
07 Item: Insight
04 Item: Quality
02 Item: Artifact
02 Item: Profane
01 Item: Exceptional
02 Festival Augment
04 Grandmaster Water Stance
06 Epic Destiny
02 Feats: Great Wisdom
02 ED Twists: Wisdom
02 Yugoloth Potion
02 Remnant Potion
02 Guild Ship
= 97 Wisdom (+43 Bonus)

*1 +10 Enhancement AP setup possible, but prevents Know the Angles usage

Current 'reasonable' Max Intelligence (Know the Angles)
12 Base
07 Tome
02 Completionist
17 Item: Enhancement
07 Item: Insight
04 Item: Quality
02 Item: Artifact
02 Item: Profane
01 Item: Exceptional
02 Remnant Potion
02 Guild Ship
= 58 Intelligence (+24 Bonus)
= +12DC Bonus to Quivering Palm

Current 'reasonable' Quivering Palm DC (20 Monk, Any Race)
10 Base
10 Monk Level
43 Wisdom Bonus
03 PL: Fighter
06 ED: Legendary Tactics
03 ED: Grandmaster of Flowers Innates
04 Feat: Scion of the Astral Plane
02 Feat: Tactician
= 81DC Base DC
= 93DC with Know the Angles

Current 'Max' Quivering Palm DC (16 Monk, 4 Fighter, Dwarf or WF)
10 Base
08 Monk Level
43 Wisdom Bonus
03 PL: Fighter
06 ED: Legendary Tactics
03 ED: Grandmaster of Flowers Innates
03 Dwarf Tactics
03 Kensei Tactics
02 Feat: Tactical Training
04 Feat: Scion of the Astral Plane
02 Feat: Tactician
= 87DC
= 99DC with Know the Angles

Extreme 'Max' Wisdom Build - May cause Build Gimping! Be Warned!
+2 ED: Acute Instincts (Requires constant Rage Potion usage)
+1 ED: Twists (All twist slots used for Wisdom, Acute Instincts & Legendary Tactics)
+2 Feats: Great Wisdom (All Epic Feats used for Great Wisdom)
+2 Racial Wisdom - Deep Gnome
+2 Racial Enhancement - Deep Gnome or Human/PDK Action Boost: Wisdom
= +9 Wisdom

Current Theoretical Max Wisdom: 106 Wisdom

Confirmed working Quivering Palm Bonuses
+X Harper Bonus from Know The Angles
+X PDK Charisma Bonus from Knight Training
03 Warforged / Bladeforged / Dwarf Tactics
03 Kensei Tactics
03 ED: Grand Master of Flowers Innate
02 Feat: Tactical Training
04 Feat: Scion of the Astral Plane
03 PL: Fighter
06 ED: Legendary Tactics

Confirmed not working Bonuses
+X Any Item-based bonuses to Tactics, including Combat Mastery
01 Guild Ship Bonus

Please post your known working bonuses to Quivering Palm, as well as anything concerning Wisdom bonuses I may have missed.

Thanks!

[Amideus]

I can confirm that dwarf tactics, fighter kensai tactics, the fighter tactics feat, and KtA works for Quivering Palm. I can't yet confirm that PDK works, but it would be limited to shortswords or longswords with whirling steel.

So with a 4 fighter slash you can get:

10 base
8 monk levels
42 wisdom
3 Fighter PL
6 ED tactics
2 tactician feat
4 Scion of the Astral Plane
3 dwarf
3 figher kensai
2 fighter tactics feat

83 DC with the above changes. KtA has the potential to add even more, but would need a working max int without levels for a monk.

[Arlathen]

1st Post updated. Thanks for the feedback, Amideus!

I've taken a 'reasonable' stab at a working Intelligence on a Monk Build, so that a rough estimate for Know the Angles can be factored in. This doesn't take into account AP spends though for maxing out Wisdom.

[dunklezhan]

Your definitions of reasonable are very different than mine*, but I supposed the point is to work out the max not the likely.





*+7 tomes, insight, quality, artefact and profane bonuses, and a festival augment you can only get once a year! lol!

[ishr]

do they work?

[Amideus]

do they work?

As far as I am aware they are still bugged and don't work, however they also grant an insight bonus which doesn't stack with KtA.

[Arlathen]

Your definitions of reasonable are very different than mine*, but I supposed the point is to work out the max not the likely.

*+7 tomes, insight, quality, artefact and profane bonuses, and a festival augment you can only get once a year! lol!

Your quite right, some of this is very grindy to get.

Really I should change the word 'Reasonable' to 'Achievable', or even 'Sustainable'. Really, its all about boosts to Wisdom or DC that are maintainable over an extended period (so no Abishai cookies, for instance) and don't require a complete RNG loot mechanic to get i.e. the old scroll/seal/shard system.

For example, even though Slave Lords is a huge grind, its achievable with enough patience. Barring ransack, your guaranteed ingredient drops in chest and your guaranteed a bonus amount every few runs. Therefore, 'reasonable' to 'achieve' and 'sustain'.

do they work?

No, no item bonus to tactics in any form currently works to Quivering Palm, as far as I know.

I have a +6 to all tome, insight and quality aren't overly difficult to get with the new crafting available and higher tier content. Artifact is more specialized, profane (as far as I am aware) can only be gained from festival cookies, and that's a +4 not a +2, and the augment is probably the most difficult to get, but since most people have been playing this game for at least a year, it's not that unreasonable to assume someone has worked towards the wisdom one at some point.

+2 Profane bonus is available on the Epic Litany of the Dead.

As far as I am aware they are still bugged and don't work, however they also grant an insight bonus which doesn't stack with KtA.

Also true, further negating there use.

[Amideus]

I had forgotten about Epic Litany, mainly because I haven't been playing Epic content since pre-Necro update, I was busy working on past lives for 3 fighter feats so I could build the 16/4 QP dwarf monk of my dreams.

Interestingly enough, if they have fixed the cookies, I have 25+ of each Abishai so I will be able to get some +4 action going for harder content and see just how high I can push the DC.

[dunklezhan]

Your quite right, some of this is very grindy to get.

Really I should change the word 'Reasonable' to 'Achievable', or even 'Sustainable'. Really, its all about boosts to Wisdom or DC that are maintainable over an extended period (so no Abishai cookies, for instance) and don't require a complete RNG loot mechanic to get i.e. the old scroll/seal/shard system.

I figured that's what you meant, it just tickled me is all. Yeah - sustainable, as in 'what i can eventually get it to and just be on whilst I walk around' without needing boosts and stuff. Not sure you can get all of those stats as high as you want though, not all at once.

To be honest, its all a bit of a moot point though. I mean, what level does QP need to be at, is what I'm interested in. At what level should it work more often than not first time (even 51% of the time) on a weak fort mob, and at what level for a strong fort mob. Somewhere inbetween those numbers is the 'playable' range. Then I'll worry about what my Wis and Int need to be, y'know?

Till then, all I know is I'm using it whenever its off cooldown in order to build up a charge and hoping to get to use that charge effectively sometime over the next few fights, and if I didn't have more ki than I could use anyway I just wouldn't bother.

But right now I'm not geared for it or built for it at all - because when they nerfed QP I lost interest in it, and I've only played one life on my monk since then. So I have no idea what those numbers need to be, nor what stacks with what. So in that regard, I'm all in favour of this thread, because just like a Bear Druid, I really want it to be viable

[Amideus]

Your definitions of reasonable are very different than mine*, but I supposed the point is to work out the max not the likely.





*+7 tomes, insight, quality, artefact and profane bonuses, and a festival augment you can only get once a year! lol!

I have a +6 to all tome, insight and quality aren't overly difficult to get with the new crafting available and higher tier content. Artifact is more specialized, profane (as far as I am aware) can only be gained from festival cookies, and that's a +4 not a +2, and the augment is probably the most difficult to get, but since most people have been playing this game for at least a year, it's not that unreasonable to assume someone has worked towards the wisdom one at some point.