12/6/2 Bard/Fighter/Rogue thrower, should I go with shurikens?

[xrampage]

I'm currently building a bard thrower (using halfling for Dex to damage) and was wondering if it's worth taking Exotic weapon: shuriken and Shuriken expertise or not, if necessary I'll post my build plan later (writing from phone), thanks in advance for replies.

[Propane]

Drow race gets it for free...

http://ddowiki.com/page/Drow

Weapon Proficiency: Drow are automatically proficient with the rapiers, shortswords, and shurikens.

[xrampage]

Thing is I've already started, currently at lvl11 and banking xp from 12, question comes from the fact that at lvl12 I'll take my last fighter level and get 2 feats, one will be Imp. Crit.: Thrown and I'm debating if I should go for shurikens and take Exotic weapon: Shuriken at 12 and Shuriken expertise at 15.

[unbongwah]

AFAIK, the crit multiplier bonuses to thrown weapons are still broken, despite what the U33 release notes say.

For heroics on a bard thrower, I'd say Nightforge Spike is still your best option: 11-20/x3 crits with IC:Thrown which will become x4 if Turbine ever actually fixes the crit bonus. Alternatively, use a Paralyzing weapon to setup mobs for ranged Coup de Grace, which becomes even more potent once you have IPS.

[vess219]

AFAIK, the crit multiplier bonuses to thrown weapons are still broken, despite what the U33 release notes say.

For heroics on a bard thrower, I'd say Nightforge Spike is still your best option: 11-20/x3 crits with IC:Thrown which will become x4 if Turbine ever actually fixes the crit bonus. Alternatively, use a Paralyzing weapon to setup mobs for ranged Coup de Grace, which becomes even more potent once you have IPS.

Have you done testing to show it isn't? I have and it seems the multiplier is fixed, least it was for my testing of swashbuckler with Shuriken and a Throwing Dagger. Others seem to think its working too, wondering if you found different or not since yes some people keep saying its not working but I haven't seen any data from them to back it up.

[Selvera]

From my looking at thrower builds I've sort of come to the conclusion that I shouldn't think "should I go shuriken?" But rather, why would I use anything except shuriken?

Shuriken simply get the best attacks/second through shuriken expertise, which translates to the most on-hit effects and the best ratio of +damage enhancements to damage. Shuriken have a lot of named-item support for their weapon, and not many non-named throwing weapons have critical profiles much better then 20 x2 (best you'll find is 20 x3 or 19-20 x2). Theoretically, with a bard-thrower even that wouldn't be an argument, as bards make nearly all weapons 18-20 x3 weapons.

Not going shuriken can save you 2 feats. What can you get with these feats that's worth it?

Some specific named weapons might be a reason; the nightforge spike is a dart and it's critical profile is amazing.

Perhaps a dwarf might consider an axe throwing build since it can use Con for damage? (and throwing axe has the best base damage die of any throwing weapon, combined with the best critical profile).

But unless you can think of a solid reason to not go shuriken, you should probably go shuriken if you want to do a throwing build.

[unbongwah]

Have you done testing to show it isn't? I have and it seems the multiplier is fixed, least it was for my testing of swashbuckler with Shuriken and a Throwing Dagger. Others seem to think its working too, wondering if you found different or not since yes some people keep saying its not working but I haven't seen any data from them to back it up.

Hmm, looks like it might be just the Ninja capstone which is broken, given how frequently this poster complains about it. Bad news for him (and my own drow Ninja build), but good news for thrower Swashies. Time to revisit mine and see if Nightforge Spike is finally as OP as it should always have been...

[vess219]

Hmm, looks like it might be just the Ninja capstone which is broken, given how frequently this poster complains about it. Bad news for him (and my own drow Ninja build), but good news for thrower Swashies. Time to revisit mine and see if Nightforge Spike is finally as OP as it should always have been...

Ive heard Ninja is working too, but yea that guy says its still bugged that he thinks it works sometimes but then stops working? I haven experienced this but that's his conclusion.

[Bzzzt]

Hmm, looks like it might be just the Ninja capstone which is broken, given how frequently this poster complains about it. Bad news for him (and my own drow Ninja build), but good news for thrower Swashies. Time to revisit mine and see if Nightforge Spike is finally as OP as it should always have been...

I was having quite a lot of fun with my Bard/Ranger Spiker the other evening. Seeing consistent 400-500 damage crits with a fairly static 78% double shot.

[Kragon]

From my looking at thrower builds I've sort of come to the conclusion that I shouldn't think "should I go shuriken?" But rather, why would I use anything except shuriken?

Shuriken simply get the best attacks/second through shuriken expertise, which translates to the most on-hit effects and the best ratio of +damage enhancements to damage. Shuriken have a lot of named-item support for their weapon, and not many non-named throwing weapons have critical profiles much better then 20 x2 (best you'll find is 20 x3 or 19-20 x2). Theoretically, with a bard-thrower even that wouldn't be an argument, as bards make nearly all weapons 18-20 x3 weapons.

Not going shuriken can save you 2 feats. What can you get with these feats that's worth it?

Some specific named weapons might be a reason; the nightforge spike is a dart and it's critical profile is amazing.

Perhaps a dwarf might consider an axe throwing build since it can use Con for damage? (and throwing axe has the best base damage die of any throwing weapon, combined with the best critical profile).

But unless you can think of a solid reason to not go shuriken, you should probably go shuriken if you want to do a throwing build.

For a Dwarven Thrower, they definately have a weapon for it, until they have a better crafted one.
http://m.ddowiki.com/page/Itemwarven_Thrower

it used to a beast of a weapon, before the crafting was added. I remember a lot of Dwarves farming for it, back in the beginning.