Dire Charge DC for Slavers elite?

[Thrudh]

What's a good number to shoot for Slavers Elite?

I'm trying to see if I can give up +6 Insight Combat Mastery and still achieve good numbers

As a Dex build, I'll have a lower stat score than a STR build.

Figure about 80 DEX max, so +35 from stat
Figure about 44 INT, so +8 from Know the Angles

20 base
20 Stunning Slavers Crafted Item
4 Quality Stunning Slavers Named Item
35 stat
3 past life fighter
6 dreadnaught legendary tactics
4 scion of the astral plane
8 Know the Angles

= 96

That doesn't seem high enough, yet people seem to talk here about how easy it is to get a workable Dire Charge.

With the +6 Insight Combat Mastery Item, I could boost it to 102.

[BigErkyKid]

What's a good number to shoot for Slavers Elite?

I'm trying to see if I can give up +6 Insight Combat Mastery and still achieve good numbers

As a Dex build, I'll have a lower stat score than a STR build.

Figure about 80 DEX max, so +35 from stat
Figure about 44 INT, so +8 from Know the Angles

20 base
20 Stunning Slavers Crafted Item
4 Quality Stunning Slavers Named Item
35 stat
3 past life fighter
6 dreadnaught legendary tactics
4 scion of the astral plane
8 Know the Angles

= 96

That doesn't seem high enough, yet people seem to talk here about how easy it is to get a workable Dire Charge.

With the +6 Insight Combat Mastery Item, I could boost it to 102.

Let's see:

Base 20
Dex 35
Stunning 20
iCombat M 6
qCombat M 4
hPLs 3
Ship 1
KTA 8
LD tactics 6
eTactics 2

=+20+35+20+6+4+3+1+8+6+2

This is already 105 and it has not taken the legendary feat. Take out 6 from insightful combat mastery and you are at a respectable 99.

[Vanhooger]

Still failing with 116 on pure monk on high fort mob in slavers. ~125-130 should be no fail on a fighter.

[Hobgoblin]

Still failing with 116 on pure monk on high fort mob in slavers. ~125-130 should be no fail on a fighter.

what do you fail on?

looking for dc my self on a warlock so interested. if its 70-80 its worth it for me if not its not.

thanks

[Thrudh]

Let's see:

Base 20
Dex 35
Stunning 20
iCombat M 6
qCombat M 4
hPLs 3
Ship 1
KTA 8
LD tactics 6
eTactics 2

=+20+35+20+6+4+3+1+8+6+2

This is already 105 and it has not taken the legendary feat. Take out 6 from insightful combat mastery and you are at a respectable 99.

Thanks, I forgot about the +1 from the ship.

When you say "respectable", does that mean a 99 DC Dire Charge will work decently against many mobs in LE Slavers?

I do have a tactics fighter, so I can test this better when I get home... but I was wasting away my lunch hour planning out changes to my ranger...

[lyrecono]

What's a good number to shoot for Slavers Elite?

I'm trying to see if I can give up +6 Insight Combat Mastery and still achieve good numbers

As a Dex build, I'll have a lower stat score than a STR build.

Figure about 80 DEX max, so +35 from stat
Figure about 44 INT, so +8 from Know the Angles

20 base
20 Stunning Slavers Crafted Item
4 Quality Stunning Slavers Named Item
35 stat
3 past life fighter
6 dreadnaught legendary tactics
4 scion of the astral plane
8 Know the Angles

= 96

That doesn't seem high enough, yet people seem to talk here about how easy it is to get a workable Dire Charge.

With the +6 Insight Combat Mastery Item, I could boost it to 102.

149 on my friends fighter and 129 on my barb works well......

[BigErkyKid]

Thanks, I forgot about the +1 from the ship.

When you say "respectable", does that mean a 99 DC Dire Charge will work decently against many mobs in LE Slavers?

I do have a tactics fighter, so I can test this better when I get home... but I was wasting away my lunch hour planning out changes to my ranger...

I was stunning most mobs with 98 DC. Maybe not the ogres, but the majority of mobs.

As for your ranger, believe me, you don't need the +4 from astral, please do choose the sneak attack option.

It is infinitely better. In fact I am going that route even with my monk :S

[BigErkyKid]

Still failing with 116 on pure monk on high fort mob in slavers. ~125-130 should be no fail on a fighter.

I find it unnecessarily though. Look at those awesome insta killers for shroud and so on, they don't have more than ~100 against fort DCs. And they do great. I think that anything past early 100s on tactics is wasted. But maybe I am wrong :P

[slarden]

What's a good number to shoot for Slavers Elite?

I'm trying to see if I can give up +6 Insight Combat Mastery and still achieve good numbers

As a Dex build, I'll have a lower stat score than a STR build.

Figure about 80 DEX max, so +35 from stat
Figure about 44 INT, so +8 from Know the Angles

20 base
20 Stunning Slavers Crafted Item
4 Quality Stunning Slavers Named Item
35 stat
3 past life fighter
6 dreadnaught legendary tactics
4 scion of the astral plane
8 Know the Angles

= 96

That doesn't seem high enough, yet people seem to talk here about how easy it is to get a workable Dire Charge.

With the +6 Insight Combat Mastery Item, I could boost it to 102.

Is going int to-hit/damage instead of dex an option? Obviously that is the easiest way to do it as it would probably add 10 since KTA benefits from maxing int. You get 1 from ship buffs.

[Spoonwelder]

I have a DC of 92 and get about 2-3 out of a group of 5 - anecdotally.....so 100 should be enough......I am short 8 Str and 5stun on an item (not done my first slaver iterm).....that will get me over 100 and I don't expect to strive for much more.

[Feralthyrtiaq]

I have had great results with a DC DC of 109 on a pure Kensai PDK w/o CKT

[Lonnbeimnech]

I find it unnecessarily though. Look at those awesome insta killers for shroud and so on, they don't have more than ~100 against fort DCs. And they do great. I think that anything past early 100s on tactics is wasted. But maybe I am wrong :P

But they have the option of throwing neg levels, crushing despair, etc against high fort mobs. Where if you are on a melee with good-enough-for-most-mobs-but-not-good-enough-for-high-fort-mobs DC, your just cant use it when you want to.

[acdcrocks]

I was succeeding in LE slavers on my tempest with a 102 DC. failed sometimes on the ogres, however.

[Krelar]

But they have the option of throwing neg levels, crushing despair, etc against high fort mobs. Where if you are on a melee with good-enough-for-most-mobs-but-not-good-enough-for-high-fort-mobs DC, your just cant use it when you want to.

A melee can hit them with improved sunder (Yes you have to give up a feat, similar to how a caster has to give up a spell slot.)

[Renvar]

I'm at about 115 or so on my strength based melee. And could probably milk a few more points out. Running around a 96 strength. That gets very few saves. i mean, they roll 20's sometimes, i'm guessing. I have more issues with those situations where dire charge just doesn't seem to proc at all for some reason. Run up to them and hit it and....nothing. No save indicators, nobody gets stunned. Just nothing.

[Lonnbeimnech]

A melee can hit them with improved sunder (Yes you have to give up a feat, similar to how a caster has to give up a spell slot.)

Sure, but that means getting into melee range, hitting the mob with sunder, letting it hit you back and then doing a charge. Obviously that's not as efficient as being able to use the charge from a distance to close the distance and disable the mob on impact.