What is a realistic XP/minute rate.....

[Drekisen]

......if anyone knows, for a somewhat dedicated player?

I read a thread not too long ago that suggested 3000xp/minute for 3.8 million xp.

By my exact math at just 1000xp/minute not including anything else at all it would take 64 hours more or less....so more like 70 maybe including all the other stuff like getting to quests and selling and repairing.

Just wondering how some people are averaging 3000-3500xp/minute because that is pretty close to what you would need to do 1-20 in the 20-25 hours range.

It's probably some simple formula.....I do tend to run normals solo unless I can get in a decent party, rerunning quests that I can get done quickly....so I am not even sure if that is possible given what the majority of my playing is done at.

[Lonnbeimnech]

People that do it in 20 hours or less will run with
50% pots
tomes of xp
5% ship buff
masters gift from level 1
and with a group, or at least a partner
where they once and done on elite
skippings quests that give garbage xp

many will also make builds designed for leveling, not ones that are good at cap. Like adding a barbarian level just for 10% movement and sprint boost.

[nokowi]

......if anyone knows, for a somewhat dedicated player?

I read a thread not too long ago that suggested 3000xp/minute for 3.8 million xp.

By my exact math at just 1000xp/minute not including anything else at all it would take 64 hours more or less....so more like 70 maybe including all the other stuff like getting to quests and selling and repairing.

Just wondering how some people are averaging 3000-3500xp/minute because that is pretty close to what you would need to do 1-20 in the 20-25 hours range.

It's probably some simple formula.....I do tend to run normals solo unless I can get in a decent party, rerunning quests that I can get done quickly....so I am not even sure if that is possible given what the majority of my playing is done at.

I would guess it takes me about 30 hours (2100 XP/min), running solo elites one-and-done, on a melee rogue (slowest solo class). I know for sure I have TR'd faster than the time limit using this method, but its possible I was playing 14 hours a day

I don't use XP pots, and I generally run most every quest. I don't farm any good XP quests such as Shadow Crypt.

You get to 3500 by using a faster soloing class than melee rogue, skipping lower XP/min content, and using XP potions.

It is important to know which quests to run, when to skip mobs and when to get breakables and quest slayers. This is where most players make the biggest mistake (in terms of XP/min). I believe heroic slayer zones are mostly a trap in today's game.

I don't know if heroic sagas are important, as I haven't cared about XP/min for a long time. Challenge Farming (5 star runs) and even Special Events (Night Revels) can also give good XP/min for certain builds.


If you haven't mastered DDO yet, 1k/min would be a good goal. Watching this will teach you which quests give great XP/min. My advice (3x completionist) is to not worry about XP/min, and play in a way that is enjoyable for you. You will learn the tricks from a more experienced player if you are grouping with someone and having fun. If you make DDO a chore, even fast XP/min is not very fun.

[janave]

......if anyone knows, for a somewhat dedicated player?

I read a thread not too long ago that suggested 3000xp/minute for 3.8 million xp.

By my exact math at just 1000xp/minute not including anything else at all it would take 64 hours more or less....so more like 70 maybe including all the other stuff like getting to quests and selling and repairing.

Just wondering how some people are averaging 3000-3500xp/minute because that is pretty close to what you would need to do 1-20 in the 20-25 hours range.

It's probably some simple formula.....I do tend to run normals solo unless I can get in a decent party, rerunning quests that I can get done quickly....so I am not even sure if that is possible given what the majority of my playing is done at.

What seems to trip up some newer players is that 1k exp/min isnt equal to 1k exp/min/instance. Some instances worth rerunning on h & n rather than running another on elite that would downgrade the exp rate.

Running all elites x1 gives the benefit to start the next life with an exp potion from the TPs you collect, so it could be a wash.

[BigErkyKid]

It is important to know which quests to run, when to skip mobs and when to get breakables and quest slayers. This is where most players make the biggest mistake (in terms of XP/min).

This. If you are aiming for speed, this is where being an experienced player helps the most. Getting some of the bonuses is time worthy in some cases, but in others it is not. The only way to know this is by having played the quest many times, you end up noticing.

There used to be good leveling guides to explain all this, but I haven't seen any updated one in a very long time.

[Draksel]

If you make DDO a chore, even fast XP/min is not very fun.

This. In my experience, tying a DDO goal (e.g. next TR) to a time limit/frame is just setting you up for grief. Sure, I put I cant even remember how many times I have seen someone rage-quit because "now they won't be able to TR by Tuesday!"

[Drekisen]

This. In my experience, tying a DDO goal (e.g. next TR) to a time limit/frame is just setting you up for grief. Sure, I put I cant even remember how many times I have seen someone rage-quit because "now they won't be able to TR by Tuesday!"

Well...I try to have the mentality that if I join a group there are no guarantees on xp/minute and just go with it. I usually end up making it up later with some insanely fast group that I can barely keep up with :P

[Chilldude]

I would guess it takes me about 30 hours (2100 XP/min), running solo elites one-and-done, on a melee rogue (slowest solo class). I know for sure I have TR'd faster than the time limit using this method, but its possible I was playing 14 hours a day

I just plain flat out don't believe you. If you can prove an average XP of over 3k without pots and one and done on a rogue solo I will never post to this forum every again.

---edit---

I meant so say 2100, as you claimed. However, I think 30 hours from Korthos to 20 would be sufficient. As a bonus, earn 20 tokens of the 12 in that 30 hour time frame and I will write a good-bye letter praising you as my last post.

[Ulfo]

I will write a good-bye letter praising you as my last post.

You think you provide enough motivation to Nokowi return to active play? Nice try anyway! 8)

[Enoach]

NoH = Number of Hours
XPH = XP/Hour
XPM = XP/MIn

1,900,000 / NoH = XPH -> XPH/60 = XPM
2,850,000 / NoH = XPH -> XPH/60 = XPM
3,800,000 / NoH = XPH -> XPH/60 = XPM


Plug in the number of hours you want it to take. Or even plug in the Number of Days you want it to take (XPH becomes XPD XP/Day) and this will give you an idea of your average XP you need to earn to stay on goal.

Personally I prefer to use the XP/Day for 1 to 20. It is less stressful as it isn't mentally hampered by bank and vendor trips.

So for example I have a goal of going from 1 to 20 in 14 days

3,800,000 / 14 = 271,429 per day - Now keep in mind that XP at the lower end is less then the higher end so you may not hit your stride for your goal.

Another person I know does a 20 day cycle where their goal is simply to earn 1 level each day on a particular character.

But again you can figure out what your XP per minute should be if you outline exactly how many hours you want to accomplish the goal in.

[nokowi]

I just plain flat out don't believe you. If you can prove an average XP of over 3k without pots and one and done on a rogue solo I will never post to this forum every again.

---edit---

I meant so say 2100, as you claimed. However, I think 30 hours from Korthos to 20 would be sufficient. As a bonus, earn 20 tokens of the 12 in that 30 hour time frame and I will write a good-bye letter praising you as my last post.

If you choose not to believe my experiences, I have no need to try and prove them to you.

My statements should be judged in the context of every other post I have made, which have been rational (whether you agree or disagree), and limited to things I understand.

I also have guildies who have done lives in 20 hours (50% XP pot), and other people in this thread have made similar comments. It's common to hear "I have this many hours left on my timer", and I myself have made these comments upon reaching level 20. 50% XP @ 20 hours is right in line with my comments at 30 hours with no XP pot. So you have to disbelieve a bunch of forum posters, not just me.

Nor would I want you to leave the game.

[walkin_dude]

OMG... MMO by spreadsheet. Ugh, no thank you.

[Drekisen]

NoH = Number of Hours
XPH = XP/Hour
XPM = XP/MIn

1,900,000 / NoH = XPH -> XPH/60 = XPM
2,850,000 / NoH = XPH -> XPH/60 = XPM
3,800,000 / NoH = XPH -> XPH/60 = XPM


Plug in the number of hours you want it to take. Or even plug in the Number of Days you want it to take (XPH becomes XPD XP/Day) and this will give you an idea of your average XP you need to earn to stay on goal.

Personally I prefer to use the XP/Day for 1 to 20. It is less stressful as it isn't mentally hampered by bank and vendor trips.

So for example I have a goal of going from 1 to 20 in 14 days

3,800,000 / 14 = 271,429 per day - Now keep in mind that XP at the lower end is less then the higher end so you may not hit your stride for your goal.

Another person I know does a 20 day cycle where their goal is simply to earn 1 level each day on a particular character.

But again you can figure out what your XP per minute should be if you outline exactly how many hours you want to accomplish the goal in.

Thanks! That is a nice easy formula

[Tscheuss]

OMG... MMO by spreadsheet. Ugh, no thank you.

[Spoonwelder]

• 1k/min is realistic target to always surpass solo when run elite one and done if you are capable - you will do better in some quests but rarely lower if you zerg run(ie. do the bare minimum in each quest)....this is without pots on a multilife TR who knows the quests
• 2k/min is a realistic target if in a group that mostly knows what it is doing and is zerging
• 3k/min is achievable with maxed out XP bonuses AND farming high XP quests with a group (duo at least) OR being on an uber heroic class (ie. Sorc) AND with very high knowledge of how to achieve max XP (ie. splitting in ShadowCrypt to half the time it takes but everyone has to know the paths and how to solve the torch puzzles)

To me these are in quest rates - ie. get final xp on quest and check time to complete (20k 10min - 2k/min) and doesn't count overhead time (running to quests - sell repair buff - banking to get equipment - leveling and spending AP)

I am sure other people achieve better rates even with overhead but you asked for realistic ....which to me excludes xp/min in DDO is my sole reason for being scenarios


So it really depends on your play scenario......add to this certain classes are slower - rogue, cleric (at early levels), wizard (if squishy) etc......and your results will vary.

[Drekisen]

• 1k/min is realistic target to always surpass solo when run elite one and done if you are capable - you will do better in some quests but rarely lower if you zerg run(ie. do the bare minimum in each quest)....this is without pots on a multilife TR who knows the quests
• 2k/min is a realistic target if in a group that mostly knows what it is doing and is zerging
• 3k/min is achievable with maxed out XP bonuses AND farming high XP quests with a group (duo at least) OR being on an uber heroic class (ie. Sorc) AND with very high knowledge of how to achieve max XP (ie. splitting in ShadowCrypt to half the time it takes but everyone has to know the paths and how to solve the torch puzzles)

To me these are in quest rates - ie. get final xp on quest and check time to complete (20k 10min - 2k/min) and doesn't count overhead time (running to quests - sell repair buff - banking to get equipment - leveling and spending AP)

I am sure other people achieve better rates even with overhead but you asked for realistic ....which to me excludes xp/min in DDO is my sole reason for being scenarios


So it really depends on your play scenario......add to this certain classes are slower - rogue, cleric (at early levels), wizard (if squishy) etc......and your results will vary.

This seems to be what I am getting now and since I have readjusted my playstyle I can usually meet or sometimes exceed these numbers. Rarely does it ever fall under for each scenario.

I do have certain goals now specifically because I have put in the hard math of how long it will take me to finish the rest of this Epic life, and 12 more heroics and 10 more Epics after that to be a completionist. I am highly looking into getting some Otto boxes as well as making sure I keep up with sagas.

[Drekisen]

[nokowi]

1K/min was the golden standard for heroic PRIOR to bravery bonuses, VIP bonus, and guild bonus. This value was well tested and agreed upon by those on the forums, and a quick google search will show forum posts (2010 era) that confirm this value. It included voice of the master (5% XP bonus). I am not aware what other (if any) bonuses existed.

http://ddowiki.com/page/Experience_point

Check the link above for how you gain bonus XP.


If you stick to first runs, the following bonuses add:

Elite (150%) = First time elite bonus (80%) + Bravery (20%) + Streak (50%) http://ddowiki.com/page/Bravery_Bonus
Greater Tome of Learning (1st time running a quest) adds 50%.
Daily bonus adds 20%

Add all these up and you a staggering +220% to base XP, or 3.20 times as much XP.

These bonuses add and then multiply:

Voice of Master adds 5%
VIP adds 10%
Guild bonus adds 5% (voice of mastered is ignored since it existed in 2010)
XP Potion adds 50%

Without XP potion, you get (3.2*1.2)= 3.84 times as much XP
With 50% XP potion, you get (3.2*1.7)= 5.44 times as much XP


The are a few things that muddy the water:

1) The golden standard of 1k/min (2010 era) often involved farming normal runs (with XP loss on multiple runs, and a single hard and elite run (for XP with no loss), while today's game involves elite runs.
2) The golden standard included optional/conquest/trapping XP bonuses (the XP you actually receive in-quest was 1k/min)
3) We now have 5 star challenges which give fantastic XP/min

Here are the quest bonuses:

Conquest: +25%
Ingenious Debilitation: +30%
Vigilant Sight: +15%
Ransack: +15%
Flawless: +10%
Persistence: +10%

The total quest bonus XP ranges from 0% to 105%.

Back in 2010, you might have a quest that gave 515 base XP/min, but with 85% quest bonus (conquest, etc) and 1.05 (VOM) multiplier was giving 1000 XP/min. 515*(1+0.85)*1.05 = 1000 XP/min in 2010

That 1000 XP/min in 2010 becomes 515*(1+2.20+0.85)*1.2 = 2500 XP/min in 2016
With XP Potion, it becomes 515*(1+2.20+0.85)*1.7 = 3545 XP/min in 2016



Conclusion:

Given the ease of running through elite content today, it is perfectly reasonable for players to run at 2k XP/min.

If players are doing better than the above, it would be because of faster run speeds today, 5 star challenge runs, and saga.

They may also do worse than this because some of the top 2010 XP/min quests were adjusted downward.

Optional XP is also not factored into the above numbers.

[Spoonwelder]

This seems to be what I am getting now and since I have readjusted my playstyle I can usually meet or sometimes exceed these numbers. Rarely does it ever fall under for each scenario.

I do have certain goals now specifically because I have put in the hard math of how long it will take me to finish the rest of this Epic life, and 12 more heroics and 10 more Epics after that to be a completionist. I am highly looking into getting some Otto boxes as well as making sure I keep up with sagas.

In epics I would multiply the numbers by 5.

[AlcoArgo]

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I don't know if heroic sagas are important, as I haven't cared about XP/min for a long time. Challenge Farming (5 star runs) and even Special Events (Night Revels) can also give good XP/min for certain builds.

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The basic strategy of the guild/group I run with:

On heroic the only saga we bother with is GH. Run GH at lvl 15/16 elite but do NOT take the saga. Run Orchard at 16 then LOTD farming as much as you can stand at 17. That should get you to 18 (with pot+tome+voice+ship). Now you can take GH saga which is close to 80K, I believe, and then start on Meridia. One run through will either cap you or get you really close so a quick Sane Asylum or Monastery will do it.

The saga boost is what gets you over the top here. Taking 19 at any point before cap is generally useless. That will lock you out of most Meridia groups and that is where the XP is at that level and, as noted, is not needed.