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    Default What is a realistic XP/minute rate.....

    ......if anyone knows, for a somewhat dedicated player?

    I read a thread not too long ago that suggested 3000xp/minute for 3.8 million xp.

    By my exact math at just 1000xp/minute not including anything else at all it would take 64 hours more or less....so more like 70 maybe including all the other stuff like getting to quests and selling and repairing.

    Just wondering how some people are averaging 3000-3500xp/minute because that is pretty close to what you would need to do 1-20 in the 20-25 hours range.

    It's probably some simple formula.....I do tend to run normals solo unless I can get in a decent party, rerunning quests that I can get done quickly....so I am not even sure if that is possible given what the majority of my playing is done at.

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    People that do it in 20 hours or less will run with
    50% pots
    tomes of xp
    5% ship buff
    masters gift from level 1
    and with a group, or at least a partner
    where they once and done on elite
    skippings quests that give garbage xp

    many will also make builds designed for leveling, not ones that are good at cap. Like adding a barbarian level just for 10% movement and sprint boost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drekisen View Post
    ......if anyone knows, for a somewhat dedicated player?

    I read a thread not too long ago that suggested 3000xp/minute for 3.8 million xp.

    By my exact math at just 1000xp/minute not including anything else at all it would take 64 hours more or less....so more like 70 maybe including all the other stuff like getting to quests and selling and repairing.

    Just wondering how some people are averaging 3000-3500xp/minute because that is pretty close to what you would need to do 1-20 in the 20-25 hours range.

    It's probably some simple formula.....I do tend to run normals solo unless I can get in a decent party, rerunning quests that I can get done quickly....so I am not even sure if that is possible given what the majority of my playing is done at.
    I would guess it takes me about 30 hours (2100 XP/min), running solo elites one-and-done, on a melee rogue (slowest solo class). I know for sure I have TR'd faster than the time limit using this method, but its possible I was playing 14 hours a day

    I don't use XP pots, and I generally run most every quest. I don't farm any good XP quests such as Shadow Crypt.

    You get to 3500 by using a faster soloing class than melee rogue, skipping lower XP/min content, and using XP potions.

    It is important to know which quests to run, when to skip mobs and when to get breakables and quest slayers. This is where most players make the biggest mistake (in terms of XP/min). I believe heroic slayer zones are mostly a trap in today's game.

    I don't know if heroic sagas are important, as I haven't cared about XP/min for a long time. Challenge Farming (5 star runs) and even Special Events (Night Revels) can also give good XP/min for certain builds.


    If you haven't mastered DDO yet, 1k/min would be a good goal. Watching this will teach you which quests give great XP/min. My advice (3x completionist) is to not worry about XP/min, and play in a way that is enjoyable for you. You will learn the tricks from a more experienced player if you are grouping with someone and having fun. If you make DDO a chore, even fast XP/min is not very fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nokowi View Post
    It is important to know which quests to run, when to skip mobs and when to get breakables and quest slayers. This is where most players make the biggest mistake (in terms of XP/min).
    This. If you are aiming for speed, this is where being an experienced player helps the most. Getting some of the bonuses is time worthy in some cases, but in others it is not. The only way to know this is by having played the quest many times, you end up noticing.

    There used to be good leveling guides to explain all this, but I haven't seen any updated one in a very long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nokowi View Post

    If you make DDO a chore, even fast XP/min is not very fun.
    This. In my experience, tying a DDO goal (e.g. next TR) to a time limit/frame is just setting you up for grief. Sure, I put I cant even remember how many times I have seen someone rage-quit because "now they won't be able to TR by Tuesday!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Draksel View Post
    This. In my experience, tying a DDO goal (e.g. next TR) to a time limit/frame is just setting you up for grief. Sure, I put I cant even remember how many times I have seen someone rage-quit because "now they won't be able to TR by Tuesday!"
    Well...I try to have the mentality that if I join a group there are no guarantees on xp/minute and just go with it. I usually end up making it up later with some insanely fast group that I can barely keep up with :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by nokowi View Post
    I would guess it takes me about 30 hours (2100 XP/min), running solo elites one-and-done, on a melee rogue (slowest solo class). I know for sure I have TR'd faster than the time limit using this method, but its possible I was playing 14 hours a day
    I just plain flat out don't believe you. If you can prove an average XP of over 3k without pots and one and done on a rogue solo I will never post to this forum every again.

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    I meant so say 2100, as you claimed. However, I think 30 hours from Korthos to 20 would be sufficient. As a bonus, earn 20 tokens of the 12 in that 30 hour time frame and I will write a good-bye letter praising you as my last post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chilldude View Post
    I will write a good-bye letter praising you as my last post.
    You think you provide enough motivation to Nokowi return to active play? Nice try anyway! 8)

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    NoH = Number of Hours
    XPH = XP/Hour
    XPM = XP/MIn

    1,900,000 / NoH = XPH -> XPH/60 = XPM
    2,850,000 / NoH = XPH -> XPH/60 = XPM
    3,800,000 / NoH = XPH -> XPH/60 = XPM


    Plug in the number of hours you want it to take. Or even plug in the Number of Days you want it to take (XPH becomes XPD XP/Day) and this will give you an idea of your average XP you need to earn to stay on goal.

    Personally I prefer to use the XP/Day for 1 to 20. It is less stressful as it isn't mentally hampered by bank and vendor trips.

    So for example I have a goal of going from 1 to 20 in 14 days

    3,800,000 / 14 = 271,429 per day - Now keep in mind that XP at the lower end is less then the higher end so you may not hit your stride for your goal.

    Another person I know does a 20 day cycle where their goal is simply to earn 1 level each day on a particular character.

    But again you can figure out what your XP per minute should be if you outline exactly how many hours you want to accomplish the goal in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enoach View Post
    NoH = Number of Hours
    XPH = XP/Hour
    XPM = XP/MIn

    1,900,000 / NoH = XPH -> XPH/60 = XPM
    2,850,000 / NoH = XPH -> XPH/60 = XPM
    3,800,000 / NoH = XPH -> XPH/60 = XPM


    Plug in the number of hours you want it to take. Or even plug in the Number of Days you want it to take (XPH becomes XPD XP/Day) and this will give you an idea of your average XP you need to earn to stay on goal.

    Personally I prefer to use the XP/Day for 1 to 20. It is less stressful as it isn't mentally hampered by bank and vendor trips.

    So for example I have a goal of going from 1 to 20 in 14 days

    3,800,000 / 14 = 271,429 per day - Now keep in mind that XP at the lower end is less then the higher end so you may not hit your stride for your goal.

    Another person I know does a 20 day cycle where their goal is simply to earn 1 level each day on a particular character.

    But again you can figure out what your XP per minute should be if you outline exactly how many hours you want to accomplish the goal in.
    Thanks! That is a nice easy formula

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chilldude View Post
    I just plain flat out don't believe you. If you can prove an average XP of over 3k without pots and one and done on a rogue solo I will never post to this forum every again.

    ---edit---

    I meant so say 2100, as you claimed. However, I think 30 hours from Korthos to 20 would be sufficient. As a bonus, earn 20 tokens of the 12 in that 30 hour time frame and I will write a good-bye letter praising you as my last post.
    If you choose not to believe my experiences, I have no need to try and prove them to you.

    My statements should be judged in the context of every other post I have made, which have been rational (whether you agree or disagree), and limited to things I understand.

    I also have guildies who have done lives in 20 hours (50% XP pot), and other people in this thread have made similar comments. It's common to hear "I have this many hours left on my timer", and I myself have made these comments upon reaching level 20. 50% XP @ 20 hours is right in line with my comments at 30 hours with no XP pot. So you have to disbelieve a bunch of forum posters, not just me.

    Nor would I want you to leave the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by walkin_dude View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by nokowi View Post
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    I don't know if heroic sagas are important, as I haven't cared about XP/min for a long time. Challenge Farming (5 star runs) and even Special Events (Night Revels) can also give good XP/min for certain builds.

    ...
    The basic strategy of the guild/group I run with:

    On heroic the only saga we bother with is GH. Run GH at lvl 15/16 elite but do NOT take the saga. Run Orchard at 16 then LOTD farming as much as you can stand at 17. That should get you to 18 (with pot+tome+voice+ship). Now you can take GH saga which is close to 80K, I believe, and then start on Meridia. One run through will either cap you or get you really close so a quick Sane Asylum or Monastery will do it.

    The saga boost is what gets you over the top here. Taking 19 at any point before cap is generally useless. That will lock you out of most Meridia groups and that is where the XP is at that level and, as noted, is not needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlcoArgo View Post
    The basic strategy of the guild/group I run with:

    On heroic the only saga we bother with is GH. Run GH at lvl 15/16 elite but do NOT take the saga. Run Orchard at 16 then LOTD farming as much as you can stand at 17. That should get you to 18 (with pot+tome+voice+ship). Now you can take GH saga which is close to 80K, I believe, and then start on Meridia. One run through will either cap you or get you really close so a quick Sane Asylum or Monastery will do it.

    The saga boost is what gets you over the top here. Taking 19 at any point before cap is generally useless. That will lock you out of most Meridia groups and that is where the XP is at that level and, as noted, is not needed.
    Per the thread, I am happy with 1000 to 2000 XP per minute in heroics. There are some quests that will give you more.

    Per this comment, while Vale was once the gold standard for XP (and I still do devils and rainbow every life), it can't hurt to take look at Wheloon. It's a great change of scenery, and once you get used to the maps, the XP per minute is exceptionally good -especially Friends and Mirror.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bracelet View Post
    Per the thread, I am happy with 1000 to 2000 XP per minute in heroics. There are some quests that will give you more.

    Per this comment, while Vale was once the gold standard for XP (and I still do devils and rainbow every life), it can't hurt to take look at Wheloon. It's a great change of scenery, and once you get used to the maps, the XP per minute is exceptionally good -especially Friends and Mirror.
    True, but that is a matter of style, although I think Wheloon is harder because even in heroic these guys are just bags of HP. With all that HP to take down I would guess it takes longer and I would be interested in a XP/min breakdown.

    I like to do Wheloon on epics as part of the natural progression in Eveningstar. The truth is that these days there is so much XP at these levels you can do whatever you like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nokowi View Post
    If you haven't mastered DDO yet, 1k/min would be a good goal. Watching this will teach you which quests give great XP/min. My advice (3x completionist) is to not worry about XP/min, and play in a way that is enjoyable for you. You will learn the tricks from a more experienced player if you are grouping with someone and having fun. If you make DDO a chore, even fast XP/min is not very fun.
    About how I see it. As DDO has no real end game to get to, I see no real reason not to just have fun playing the game and getting to the end of the process whenever that gets me there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nokowi View Post
    It is important to know which quests to run, when to skip mobs and when to get breakables and quest slayers. This is where most players make the biggest mistake (in terms of XP/min). I believe heroic slayer zones are mostly a trap in today's game.

    I don't know if heroic sagas are important, as I haven't cared about XP/min for a long time. Challenge Farming (5 star runs) and even Special Events (Night Revels) can also give good XP/min for certain builds.
    When solo it is very important to know whether to go for all the kills, traps, breakables, etc. But as a group, there are probably only a couple of quests where you would zerg and not go for the bonuses - especially if people are able to split up and do their thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasparion View Post
    When solo it is very important to know whether to go for all the kills, traps, breakables, etc. But as a group, there are probably only a couple of quests where you would zerg and not go for the bonuses - especially if people are able to split up and do their thing.
    You would be surprised how many groups don't do this well. New players are going to mess this up badly. I often see pugs take 2x as long as they could for something like 10% more XP. Part of it is that it is simply not relaxing or fun for many players to run at maximum pace.

    If your groups are doing everything in every quest you are definitely losing XP/min.

    There are many quests that are not even possible to get max ratings.

    Go run Tangleroot Chain and tell me what your breakable bonus is. (May as well skip breakables in this chain)

    Go run Feast or Famine and tell me what your aggression bonus is. (No good reason to clear rooms once you get the key)
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    Quote Originally Posted by nokowi View Post
    You would be surprised how many groups don't do this well. New players are going to mess this up badly. I often see pugs take 2x as long as they could for something like 10% more XP. Part of it is that it is simply not relaxing or fun for many players to run at maximum pace.

    If your groups are doing everything in every quest you are definitely losing XP/min.

    There are many quests that are not even possible to get max ratings.

    Go run Tangleroot Chain and tell me what your breakable bonus is. (May as well skip breakables in this chain)

    Go run Feast or Famine and tell me what your aggression bonus is. (No good reason to clear rooms once you get the key)
    Loot? Killing orcs is fun? There's two good reasons right there.

    Personally, I can't think of a good reason to be in a hurry to get to 20 just to turn around and do it again. I just can't see any pot of gold at the end that makes me want to hurry past the rainbow.

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