What is a realistic XP/minute rate.....

[Gremmlynn]

This is an XP/min thread in which someone said groups should go for all optionals.

Please read my post in that context.

If you read several of my other posts, I say to play the game the way you enjoy.

That does not answer the questions regarding the XP/min that people can achieve, however.

Excuse me, I have a tendency to take things to literally at times. If you look at my posts you'd likely see me qualifying, maybe even over-qualifying things. For instance, I'd have likely prefaced that sentence with; "For reason of maximum xp/min..." or some such despite the context of the thread simply because it wouldn't be a correct statement otherwise.

That's simply how my mind works.

[Ykt]

It takes me about 30-35 dungeon hours (counted by potions) to get to 20 (3.8m xp).

To this you can add, I dunno ... 10-15 hours of moving around in public areas, sorting through equipment, waiting for a group to fill, AFK, etc.

The 1k/min rate is realistic but it's useless: in early levels you'll get less than 1k/min, then in some quests (duo shadow crypt EBB zerg) you'll get 8k/min. I don't see the purpose of this rate. You can only go as fast as you can, and you can only complete quests that you and your group are equipped for.

What is more meaningful is this rate: hours/TR

[Gauthaag]

And THEN you'll get to have fun?

Read my sig... Focusing exclusively on xp/min burns out many people. Not all, and maybe not you... But be careful.

nope, then he become part of "theres no endgame" crowd

[Forzah]

I think you misread analysis for advocacy.

I have always said I play the game for fun and the xp takes care of itself, that's my attitude towards gaming, especially this game with no real reason to worry where one is on the treadmill as there is no "next thing" to get to once the leveling process is done. Hell, I don't even have a character that can open elite first run. The thing is, as far as I can tell I'm something of an anomaly in this regard. So Turbine isn't going to keep people around following my way.

Frankly I don't think any "advocacy" from me is going to make a difference one way or the other on this matter. I'm just looking at what's being done and giving the only logical reason I can find as to why Turbine would do it. People leaving the game due to the perception of being shafted on xp causes Turbine to remove that perception by making that xp accessible to all. Whether you, me or anyone outside Turbine feels that's a good move or a bad move or a just plain wrong move is neither here nor there as they are going to do what they think best supports their bottom line regardless as not doing so is good way of finding oneself unemployed.

You are to blame for every bad move that Turbine has done because of posts you made in the past. Turbine only listens to people that give "bad advice" and never to people that give "good advice". Don't you see that?

[Drekisen]

Ah, I agree with you that keeping up a large stable of characters is indeed more difficult now... I went for the solution of cutting back to 3 main characters, and 2 more secondary characters.

I like alts because different builds play very differently, so it's a nice change of pace to switch between characters.

One character doing multiple TRs is also a good way to do this, because you'll be playing the same content with different classes each time....

UNLESS you focus on xp/min and getting through each life as fast as possible, because you're likely to start building the fastest xp/min builds each time, which are very similar. I hope you at least enjoy all the different classes on your way to completionist. It could be a fun journey or joyless grind. Definitely sounds like a good long-term goal to aim for.

It took me a long time to consider if I wanted to delete all of mine....I knew it was the only way I would stop using them for at least storage....but I am happy I did.

I never multi-class.....so I find it challenging a lot of times....which keeps it fun plus I feel I get the maximum out of my class...it forces me to really hone in on their strengths as well as acknowledge their weaknesses.

I did level all of the original classes to 20 as well as monk....but the game has changed so much since then it will be like starting over.....plus I have not played them in forever. I think the excitement will be their whether I am zerging or flower sniffing.

For now I don't plan on repeating any classes and am just going for completionist...at that point I will see where I stand.

Not to ever disrespect DDO....it is my forst and main MMO......but if I really get that bored but still want to play I usually move on to LoTRO or Shaiya for a while.

[Drekisen]

I won't argue that 2K XP /min is unreasonable, however, the thread asks what is realistic. The thread also specifically mentions the context of successive past lives as the basis for this query. That is an incredibly important distinction, that people continually dismiss when they pull a number out of thin air based on a single run through a very high XP/min quest. XP/min doesn't apply to merely the time you enter a dungeon until you exit in the context of successive past lives. Every minute spent in game is of paramount importance in that context as time spent in dungeon is but one part of the time required for successive past lives.

It's like fixating on highway gas mileage while ignoring city mileage altogether. If you want to figure out how much gas you will need to get to your destination then you need to include both. There is a potential for a great deal of time to be spent outside of actively earning XP in DDO, therefore a realistic estimate of XP/min would take that into consideration. Sure, in best case scenarios of groups of people zerging nonstop from one quest to the next never taking a break it is probably reasonable that you could average 2K XP/min. It's possible. Yet, it's not very realistic. Certainly not for someone asking the question.

And heart farming is more than a footnote itself. You need 20 tokens of the 12, and the whole time you are earning 0 XP/min toward that past life. Anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of mathematics can see that when you start averaging in 0's the rate plummets. 30 hours from Korthos to Reincarnation Grove might be reasonably possible, but I don't think it's very realistic at all. I think the average player would need to double that to 60, and that's with being very focused and staying on task. Realistically, if you log in a couple hours a night, chat with a few guildies, skim through the LFMs (that's quick these days, there's usually isn't more than one, and that's if you're lucky), scan through the compendium to decide what to run next, throw up an LFM, and jump in a quest, I think the average player can very easily be looking at 100 hours, give or take, especially when including the heart farm.

The real answer is, it's hella subjective. It's not only going to differ greatly from player to player, it's going to differ greatly from life to life. On top of that, some lives are going to feel like twice as long as they actually are.

^This! I just started Epic levels and have kept track of every minute I have been in game no matter what I am doing. From the moment I click the pre-loader to the moment I hit the exit game button.

This is the only way to be accurate as to how long it will take me overall and what I may need to adjust or obtain if I want to do it faster.

So far in epics I am definately averaging over 2k/min.....after I do a gameplay today I will recalculate and get a more exact total. I had a 160 minute stint yesterday that was almost 4700/minute.....but I know not to expect this all the time.

This by the way is mostly joining groups.....but does include everything as far as time goes...not just in quest time. Many of these were not elite runs either....quite a few were hard and a one was normal.

[Drekisen]

It takes me about 30-35 dungeon hours (counted by potions) to get to 20 (3.8m xp).

To this you can add, I dunno ... 10-15 hours of moving around in public areas, sorting through equipment, waiting for a group to fill, AFK, etc.

The 1k/min rate is realistic but it's useless: in early levels you'll get less than 1k/min, then in some quests (duo shadow crypt EBB zerg) you'll get 8k/min. I don't see the purpose of this rate. You can only go as fast as you can, and you can only complete quests that you and your group are equipped for.

What is more meaningful is this rate: hours/TR

I can agree with what you are.....however.....XP/minute in quest certainly lets you see if you could have done something to make it go faster or should strive for that....to a certain point their is always room for improvement....though there may eventually be an apex.

I wouldn't say xp/minute is useless.

[nokowi]

Excuse me, I have a tendency to take things to literally at times. If you look at my posts you'd likely see me qualifying, maybe even over-qualifying things. For instance, I'd have likely prefaced that sentence with; "For reason of maximum xp/min..." or some such despite the context of the thread simply because it wouldn't be a correct statement otherwise.

That's simply how my mind works.

No worries. If I read my own post (out of context, not having read the rest of the thread), I might assume the same thing.

In a discussion, you can clarify what you meant and it's OK to not make a perfect post or not understand from the first post and ask for clarification.

[nokowi]

What is more meaningful is this rate: hours/TR

Can you image making DPS damage per time played? Nobody would buy or use this metric.


Now having two metrics, XP/min while gaming, and time spent not gaming would be fine.

We can talk specifically about how much XP/min Necro IV slayers are, and we are all comparing the same thing.

Once you lump several things together, the metric can not be compared directly.

[Drekisen]

This is my progress so far for my current Epic Life. This includes all time in game....from the moment I hit the preloader shortcut.....to the time I hit the exit button on the character screen.....unless I take an extended break of five minutes or more. The only boosts I am currently using is the Voice and 10% XP potion.

287k (287k) 90m

689k (402k) 120m

783k (93k) 60m

1,093k (310k) 100m

1.382k (289k) 168m

2,133k (751k) 160m

2,962k (829k) 170m
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2,962k 868m 3412xp/minute

[nokowi]

This is my progress so far for my current Epic Life. This includes all time in game....from the moment I hit the preloader shortcut.....to the time I hit the exit button on the character screen.....unless I take an extended break of five minutes or more. The only boosts I am currently using is the Voice and 10% XP potion.

287k (287k) 90m

689k (402k) 120m

783k (93k) 60m

1,093k (310k) 100m

1.382k (289k) 168m

2,133k (751k) 160m

2,962k (829k) 170m
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2,962k 868m 3412xp/minute

Now add in your forum time

[Drekisen]

Now add in your forum time

BLAH! LOL

[Wipey]

1 - 20 about 30 hours sounds right ( 4-5 6 hour pots ).

For epics it's worth going for elite streak if you can or have good friend carry you. 20 -30 can get done in 12 hours, but that's kinda for crazy people. Or party xp weekends.
After an etr or for "dailies" you should go for 10k+/min. Usual Spies, Mirror, Subversion, Tracker, whole Whelon and many more.
Almost always it's better to go with Invis and stealth bonus.

But the most important thing has been said too - don't wait. For perfect lfms, perfect party members. Just do stuff, even alone on difficulty you can handle.

[Drekisen]

After an etr or for "dailies" you should go for 10k+/min. Usual Spies, Mirror, Subversion, Tracker, whole Whelon and many more.
Almost always it's better to go with Invis and stealth bonus.

Not sure what you meant by this part.....you mean to grind Heart Seeds, level Epic Destinies, or are these quests to do in Heroic levels. 10k+ xp/minute sounds insanely high....I'd be very interested in how that is achieved.

[Thrudh]

I never multi-class.....so I find it challenging a lot of times....which keeps it fun plus I feel I get the maximum out of my class...it forces me to really hone in on their strengths as well as acknowledge their weaknesses.

I did level all of the original classes to 20 as well as monk....but the game has changed so much since then it will be like starting over.....plus I have not played them in forever. I think the excitement will be their whether I am zerging or flower sniffing.

For now I don't plan on repeating any classes and am just going for completionist...at that point I will see where I stand.

This will be a fun project for you then...

[nokowi]

Not sure what you meant by this part.....you mean to grind Heart Seeds, level Epic Destinies, or are these quests to do in Heroic levels. 10k+ xp/minute sounds insanely high....I'd be very interested in how that is achieved.

This is for epic XP.

10k/min is the standard for epics.

To get this, you usually do the best XP/min of quests, challenges, slayers, and saga's.

Some also people repeat the same daily quests, while some people stick to first time quests and saga's.

The daily quests are usually available on LFM's, so this is handy for those who can't solo as quickly.

[Thrudh]

Not sure what you meant by this part.....you mean to grind Heart Seeds, level Epic Destinies, or are these quests to do in Heroic levels. 10k+ xp/minute sounds insanely high....I'd be very interested in how that is achieved.

He's talking about doing 4-8 certain super high xp/min quests every single day. You might see it in the LFMs as "dailies". Spies in the House, Wiz-King, VON 3, Mirror, etc. These are quests that give a ton of xp, and can be done super fast. 10k/min (even more) is indeed easy for these quests. Epic leveling, in general, is much faster than heroic.

But be careful. It becomes VERY boring to do the same 4-8 quests every single day over and over. If you play 4+ hours a day, it might be okay to spend an hour on those super high xp quests, and then spend 3 hours doing something different.

If you only play 1-2 hours a day, doing the "dailies" every day takes up almost all your playing time, and it's very easy to get burned out.

I will jump on a "daily" LFM train once or twice a week, especially on a weekend where I might be playing 3-4 hours... It's a great way to get off-destiny XP (the quests are usually run on epic normal and are so easy, and run so often, you can switch to your worst Epic Destiny and still do fine).

But I could never run the "dailies' daily. That would drive me crazy. But others enjoy it. Maybe you would do too... It does make for very fast leveling. (And still others hate grinding dailies, but do it anyway, and complain about it - those are the weird ones).

[Drekisen]

Ahhh....ok....I get it now....thanks

Actually I have been doing the "dailies" the last three days without even knowing it. If I need some fresh air I usually just solo some stuff that is not run as often or look for LFM's that consist of quests I have not done yet.

[Wipey]

Not sure what you meant by this part.....you mean to grind Heart Seeds, level Epic Destinies, or are these quests to do in Heroic levels. 10k+ xp/minute sounds insanely high....I'd be very interested in how that is achieved.

What I (we) usually do:
"Once and done" in heroics. Except usual Litany and Shadowcrypt EEEHN farmage. Always get traps if you can, Invis wherever possible, half of heroics can be Invised. Save Spies, Fens, Sentinels, Carnival, Vons, Sands, 3bc quests that have epic version for epics. Necro 4 and GH is too good xp in heroics to skip.

EE streak from 20 to cap, usually do Spies and Vons right at 20, "prepare" Eveningstar sagas.
ETR, munch sagas. EE streak Eberron epics, do Eveningstar challenges, those are like 1.2 mill xp in one hour.
Always take advantage of streak and bb if you can.

Some quests are so good xp wise it's foolish not to do them daily.
But basically every epic quest is above 10k if you move fast, Invis or just skip unnecessary fights.

Spies is 21k/min
Mirror is 23k/min ... add 1 or 2 minutes if underlevel or off destiny.

Those are the fat xp ones. Two Toed Tobias, Tor, Tracker Trap, Friends if low places, there are many quests with above 12k /min.

I don't do slayers.

[Drekisen]

What I (we) usually do:
"Once and done" in heroics. Except usual Litany and Shadowcrypt EEEHN farmage. Always get traps if you can, Invis wherever possible, half of heroics can be Invised. Save Spies, Fens, Sentinels, Carnival, Vons, Sands, 3bc quests that have epic version for epics. Necro 4 and GH is too good xp in heroics to skip.

EE streak from 20 to cap, usually do Spies and Vons right at 20, "prepare" Eveningstar sagas.
ETR, munch sagas. EE streak Eberron epics, do Eveningstar challenges, those are like 1.2 mill xp in one hour.
Always take advantage of streak and bb if you can.

Some quests are so good xp wise it's foolish not to do them daily.
But basically every epic quest is above 10k if you move fast, Invis or just skip unnecessary fights.

Spies is 21k/min
Mirror is 23k/min ... add 1 or 2 minutes if underlevel or off destiny.

Those are the fat xp ones. Two Toed Tobias, Tor, Tracker Trap, Friends if low places, there are many quests with above 12k /min.

I don't do slayers.

+1 Awesome! Thank You