14 Cleric/6 Monk

[Viconiax]

Trying to LR +5 one of my alt into 14 Cleric/6 Monk, she's 13 Cleric/2 Monk atm, what would be better for her? Unarmed build or henshin mystic staff build?

She got 2 monks pl so pretty much have monk gears cover.

Thanks

[unbongwah]

Well, my first thought was cleric 13 / monk 6 / rog 1 staff build: T5 Henshin + cores (30 MP) + Acrobatics (+15% atk speed), Shadow Veil, trap skills, blah blah blah. Big downside is losing radiant aura, but hey, who needs that?!

[Viconiax]

Well, my first thought was cleric 13 / monk 6 / rog 1 staff build: T5 Henshin + cores (30 MP) + Acrobatics (+15% atk speed), Shadow Veil, trap skills, blah blah blah. Big downside is losing radiant aura, but hey, who needs that?!

What should the starting stat be for her if I go 13 cleric/ 6 monk/ 1 rogue?

She's sun-elf.

Thanks. =]

[Vish]

What should the starting stat be for her if I go 13 cleric/ 6 monk/ 1 rogue?

She's sun-elf.

Thanks. =]

That would be an intelligence build
Sun elf get boni +2 so start 20
Need mins for staff, thf
And wisdom
Maybe
15 8 12 20 14 8

Use kta get int to hit/dam
All level ups in int

[unbongwah]

What should the starting stat be for her if I go 13 cleric/ 6 monk/ 1 rogue?

Good question!

...what sounds good to you? I admit I may just be making this up as I go along.

Let's look at a melee-focused build:

ML Henshin Cleric
13/6/1 Cleric/Monk/Rogue
Lawful Neutral Morninglord


Level Order

1. Rogue           6. Cleric         11. Cleric         16. Cleric
2. Monk            7. Cleric         12. Monk           17. Cleric
3. Monk            8. Cleric         13. Monk           18. Cleric
4. Cleric          9. Cleric         14. Monk           19. Cleric
5. Cleric         10. Cleric         15. Monk           20. Cleric


Stats
               36pt     Tome     Level Up
               ----     ----     --------
Strength        16       +4       4: STR
Dexterity        8       +4       8: STR
Constitution    12       +4      12: STR
Intelligence    18       +4      16: STR
Wisdom           8       +4      20: STR
Charisma        16       +4      24: STR
                                 28: STR

Feats

 1        : Stunning Blow OR Insightful Reflexes
 2 Monk   : Power Attack
 3        : Cleave
 3 Monk   : Two Handed Fighting
 4 Deity  : Follower of: Amaunator
 6        : Quicken Spell
 9        : Empower Healing Spell
 9 Deity  : Amaunator's Brilliance
12        : Improved Critical: Bludgeoning
12 Monk   : Path of Inevitable Dominion
15        : Improved Two Handed Fighting
15 Monk   : Deflect Arrows
18        : Greater Two Handed Fighting
21 Epic   : Overwhelming Critical
24 Epic   : Master of Forms OR Great Cleave
26 Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
27 Epic   : Grandmaster of Forms OR Epic Damage Reduction
28 Destiny: Perfect Two Handed Fighting OR Elusive Target
29 Destiny: Dire Charge OR Deific Warding
30 Epic   : Blinding Speed OR Maximize Spell
30 Legend : Scion of: Arborea OR Plane of Earth


Enhancements (80 AP)

Henshin Mystic (36 AP)

Riddle of Fire, Ki Bolt, Sounding Staff
All-Consuming Flame, Henshin Staff Training, Way of the: Patient Tortoise
Porous Soul, Henshin Staff Training, Quick Strike III, Fists of Iron
Static Charge, Henshin Staff Training, Lighting the Candle III, Strength
Winter's Touch, Henshin Staff Training
Void Strike, Staff Specialization, Shadows Cannot Exist Without Light

Radiant Servant (23 AP)

Healing Domain, Pacifism, Positive Energy Burst, Improved Empower Healing
Extra Turning III, Altruism I
Improved Turning I, Efficient Empower Healing II
Intense Healing III, Unyielding Sovereignty
Endless Turning I

Ninja Spy (11 AP)

Basic Ninja Training, Advanced Ninja Training, Shadow Veil
Sneak Attack Training, Acrobatic III
Melee/Ranged Power Boost III

Warpriest (4 AP)

Smite Foe
Divine Might III

Thief-Acrobat (4 AP)

Staff Control
Thief Acrobatics III

Morninglord (1 AP)

Elven Accuracy

Shintao (1 AP)

Bastion of Purity


Destiny (24 AP)

Legendary Dreadnought

Legendary Tactics III, Extra Action Boost III
Momentum Swing III, Imp. Power Attack
Lay Waste, Critical Damage I, Haste Boost III
(none)
Advancing Blows, Devastating Critical
Master's Blitz, Pulverizer

Twists of Fate (35 fate points)

Sense Weakness (Tier 4 Fury)
Sacred Ground (Tier 3 Crusader)
Consecration (Tier 2 Crusader)
Rejuvenation Cocoon (Tier 1 Primal)
Unearthly Reactions (Tier 1 Magister) OR Primal Scream (Tier 1 Fury)

Would've liked to pickup the extra PRR from Warpriest (Wall of Steel) and/or Shintao (Iron Skin) to help offset the squishiness, but that would require giving up Ninja or Rad Servant APs.

Another possibility: 36 Henshin / 22 WP (Ameliorating Strike) / 11 Ninja (Shadow Veil) / 4 Acrobat in Crusader. Ameliorating Strike meshes well with all the doublestrike bonues: Quick Strike + Wind stance + Zeal of the Righteous + Celestial Champion. Downside is losing RS burst.

[unbongwah]

Use kta get int to hit/dam
All level ups in int

Thought about that, but the drawback is you need to spend at least 12 APs in Harper for INT to dmg and this is already a pretty AP-constrained build concept, IMO. I guess 36 Henshin / 12 Harper / 11 Ninja / 11 RS / 4 Acro with 6 APs left over to tweak things?

[Viconiax]

Thanks, unbongwah and Vish. =]

Error: you must spread around some reputation before giving them to unbongwah again. :3

[Viconiax]

I just want to check in to say your 13 cleric/6 monk/1 rogue work great unbongwah.

[Theolin]

If you want to go unarmed this build, I would just change from paly to ftr for the extra feats to make up for not human.
Though I need to update it again with the new monk enhancement change.

[Vish]

Thanks, unbongwah and Vish. =]

Vic, yw
Let us know which way you go
I'm interested in a rogue cleric build too

For U
I went with my gut on the trapper idea
If you're going to trap at LE, you better have the skills and equip
So max int was the best bet
I wouldn't worry the ap,
All you need as a cleric is the burst
So it's a clonk going tier5 henshin
Doing decent dps and doubles as trapper
And bursts as a cleric with a heal
That's pretty good support role

Normally I would go DM on a pally splash
Then u get higher dps
And can go radiant
And use the charisma on multiple adds

[Vish]

Here's the feat layout for the int cleric trapper


1 rogue thf
2 monk pa
3 cleric empower healing
4 monk deflect arrows
5 cleric
6 cleric insightful reflexes
7 monk
8 monk
9 cleric Maximize
10 cleric
11 monk
12 monk ic blunt
Lightning reflexes
13 cleric
14 cleric
15 cleric extend
16 cleric
17 cleric
18 cleric quicken
19 cleric
20 cleric

Don't know with a +5 you can change first level on an iconic...
But rouge first would be best
Then monk at 12 and burst at 13
Hard build to level
But if you rebuild it won't matter

This was a tough layout, you lose benefit of the monk feats max
I added best I could figure in

For epic
21 oc
24 intensify
26 pthf
27 blinding speed
28 hellball
29 fount of life
30 Celestia
Completionist

Mostly a cleric build, Henshin staff
Maybe at 30 empower instead, for the burst

[unbongwah]

Tried my own hand at INT-based variant too:

ML Henshin Cleric (Harper)
13/6/1 Cleric/Monk/Rogue
Lawful Neutral Morninglord


Level Order

1. Rogue           6. Cleric         11. Cleric         16. Cleric
2. Monk            7. Cleric         12. Monk           17. Cleric
3. Monk            8. Cleric         13. Monk           18. Cleric
4. Cleric          9. Cleric         14. Monk           19. Cleric
5. Cleric         10. Cleric         15. Monk           20. Cleric


Stats
               36pt     Tome     Level Up
               ----     ----     --------
Strength        13       +4       4: INT
Dexterity        8       +4       8: INT
Constitution    15       +4      12: INT
Intelligence    20       +4      16: INT
Wisdom           8       +4      20: INT
Charisma        10       +4      24: INT
                                 28: INT

Feats

 1        : Insightful Reflexes
 2 Monk   : Power Attack
 3        : Cleave
 3 Monk   : Combat Expertise OR Deflect Arrows
 4 Deity  : Follower of: Amaunator
 6        : Quicken Spell
 9        : Empower Healing Spell
 9 Deity  : Amaunator's Brilliance
12        : Improved Critical: Bludgeoning
12 Monk   : Path of Inevitable Dominion
15        : Improved Two Handed Fighting
15 Monk   : Two Handed Fighting
18        : Greater Two Handed Fighting
21 Epic   : Overwhelming Critical
24 Epic   : Master of Forms OR Great Cleave
26 Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
27 Epic   : Grandmaster of Forms OR Epic Damage Reduction
28 Destiny: Perfect Two Handed Fighting OR Hellball
29 Destiny: Dire Charge OR Deific Warding
30 Epic   : Blinding Speed OR Maximize Spell
30 Legend : Scion of: Plane of Earth


Enhancements (80 AP)

Henshin Mystic (36 AP)

Riddle of Fire, Ki Bolt, Sounding Staff
All-Consuming Flame, Henshin Staff Training, Way of the: Patient Tortoise
Porous Soul, Henshin Staff Training, Quick Strike III, Fists of Iron
Static Charge, Henshin Staff Training, Lighting the Candle III, Strength
Winter's Touch, Henshin Staff Training
Void Strike, Staff Specialization, Shadows Cannot Exist Without Light

Harper Agent (13 AP)

Agent of Good I
Harper Enchantment, Strategic Combat
Versatile Adept III, Know the Angles III
Strategic Combat

Ninja Spy (11 AP)

Basic Ninja Training, Advanced Ninja Training, Shadow Veil
Sneak Attack Training, Acrobatic III
Melee/Ranged Power Boost III

Radiant Servant (11 AP)

Healing Domain, Pacifism, Positive Energy Burst
Extra Turning III, Altruism I
Efficient Empower Healing II

Morninglord (4 AP)

Elven Accuracy, Sun Elf Intelligence, Elven Accuracy II

Thief-Acrobat (4 AP)

Staff Control
Thief Acrobatics III

Shintao (1 AP)

Bastion of Purity


Destiny (24 AP)

Legendary Dreadnought

Legendary Tactics III, Extra Action Boost III
Momentum Swing III, Imp. Combat Expertise, Imp. Power Attack
Haste Boost III
(none)
Advancing Blows, Devastating Critical
Master's Blitz, Pulverizer

Twists of Fate (35 fate points)

Energy Burst: Acid (Tier 4 Draconic)
Grim Precision (Tier 3 Shadowdancer)
Hail of Blows (Tier 2 Flowers)
Rejuvenation Cocoon (Tier 1 Primal)
Dance of Flowers (Tier 1 Flowers)

This version is less of a healer and more DPS-focused. Someone proposed "Dire Charge -> Energy Burst -> Cleaves" as part of combat rotation, so I specced around that. Maybe even Hellball in the mix. Combat Expertise was just an idea for +20 PRR from Imp CE; otherwise stick with Deflect Arrows, I think.

I was actually thinking of a similar split using druid instead of cleric, so this was good practice. Thanks!

[Viconiax]

The STR variant of the build deal pretty good DPS, not highest, but it's good.

Trap skills are decent and able to get most traps.

Likewise, between burst + shadow cannot exist without light, you don't even need to spend much SP on healing.

I've spare heart of wood laying around too, so I could probably try the int variant and let you guys know how it goes.

[unbongwah]

If this is for an EPL or two, clearly you need to run once as STR+CHA-based then again as INT-based and tell us which is better!

[Viconiax]

Tried the int variant this afternoon, it's much better than str-cha build.

[-D_Rock-]

If you want a cleric build you go 15 cleric, 1 fighter, 4 ranger elf Arcane archer shiradi fury shotter and two weapon fighter as back up. buffs, heals, 80+ strength and 30k minimal arrows with adrenaline shots. requires tomes though heh. pretty sure i gave you this build years ago and im still playing it now :P

[Whitering]

I only have to say that I do not enjoy being outside of heavy armor unless I am doing dex, and even then, too much damage you can't evade. Maybe once you have your 27 prr from Epic past lives, but until then...eh. Light Armor is fine I guess, but even my non fighter builds are strictly elves/drow so I can easily fight heavy armor on them.

I did clonk and swapped to Axel's build instead. I was not happy in clonk (at around level 23) and took a long break from the game because of it. I guess if Monks have gotten a serious pass since then, it could work, but I was able to do farm more EE work in Axel's build than the clonk build, also, I could mostly just ignore traps after swapping. Still, missing chests grinds my gears, but there's almost never named items in locked chests anyway.

[Pavelov]

Tried my own hand at INT-based variant too:

ML Henshin Cleric (Harper)
13/6/1 Cleric/Monk/Rogue
Lawful Neutral Morninglord


Level Order

1. Rogue           6. Cleric         11. Cleric         16. Cleric
2. Monk            7. Cleric         12. Monk           17. Cleric
3. Monk            8. Cleric         13. Monk           18. Cleric
4. Cleric          9. Cleric         14. Monk           19. Cleric
5. Cleric         10. Cleric         15. Monk           20. Cleric


Stats
               36pt     Tome     Level Up
               ----     ----     --------
Strength        13       +4       4: INT
Dexterity        8       +4       8: INT
Constitution    15       +4      12: INT
Intelligence    20       +4      16: INT
Wisdom           8       +4      20: INT
Charisma        10       +4      24: INT
                                 28: INT

Feats

 1        : Insightful Reflexes
 2 Monk   : Power Attack
 3        : Cleave
 3 Monk   : Combat Expertise OR Deflect Arrows
 4 Deity  : Follower of: Amaunator
 6        : Quicken Spell
 9        : Empower Healing Spell
 9 Deity  : Amaunator's Brilliance
12        : Improved Critical: Bludgeoning
12 Monk   : Path of Inevitable Dominion
15        : Improved Two Handed Fighting
15 Monk   : Two Handed Fighting
18        : Greater Two Handed Fighting
21 Epic   : Overwhelming Critical
24 Epic   : Master of Forms OR Great Cleave
26 Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
27 Epic   : Grandmaster of Forms OR Epic Damage Reduction
28 Destiny: Perfect Two Handed Fighting OR Hellball
29 Destiny: Dire Charge OR Deific Warding
30 Epic   : Blinding Speed OR Maximize Spell
30 Legend : Scion of: Plane of Earth


Enhancements (80 AP)

Henshin Mystic (36 AP)

Riddle of Fire, Ki Bolt, Sounding Staff
All-Consuming Flame, Henshin Staff Training, Way of the: Patient Tortoise
Porous Soul, Henshin Staff Training, Quick Strike III, Fists of Iron
Static Charge, Henshin Staff Training, Lighting the Candle III, Strength
Winter's Touch, Henshin Staff Training
Void Strike, Staff Specialization, Shadows Cannot Exist Without Light

Harper Agent (13 AP)

Agent of Good I
Harper Enchantment, Strategic Combat
Versatile Adept III, Know the Angles III
Strategic Combat

Ninja Spy (11 AP)

Basic Ninja Training, Advanced Ninja Training, Shadow Veil
Sneak Attack Training, Acrobatic III
Melee/Ranged Power Boost III

Radiant Servant (11 AP)

Healing Domain, Pacifism, Positive Energy Burst
Extra Turning III, Altruism I
Efficient Empower Healing II

Morninglord (4 AP)

Elven Accuracy, Sun Elf Intelligence, Elven Accuracy II

Thief-Acrobat (4 AP)

Staff Control
Thief Acrobatics III

Shintao (1 AP)

Bastion of Purity


Destiny (24 AP)

Legendary Dreadnought

Legendary Tactics III, Extra Action Boost III
Momentum Swing III, Imp. Combat Expertise, Imp. Power Attack
Haste Boost III
(none)
Advancing Blows, Devastating Critical
Master's Blitz, Pulverizer

Twists of Fate (35 fate points)

Energy Burst: Acid (Tier 4 Draconic)
Grim Precision (Tier 3 Shadowdancer)
Hail of Blows (Tier 2 Flowers)
Rejuvenation Cocoon (Tier 1 Primal)
Dance of Flowers (Tier 1 Flowers)

This version is less of a healer and more DPS-focused. Someone proposed "Dire Charge -> Energy Burst -> Cleaves" as part of combat rotation, so I specced around that. Maybe even Hellball in the mix. Combat Expertise was just an idea for +20 PRR from Imp CE; otherwise stick with Deflect Arrows, I think.

I was actually thinking of a similar split using druid instead of cleric, so this was good practice. Thanks!

First time replying on this forum. Hope this works ok. I generally look for your builds for just about everything. I was trying to do a cleric life that was easy and fun to level, primarily just for past life. So I picked this build. One idea change I had for this.....please let me know if my thinking is off. Instead of doing 3 versatile adept in harper, instead take the Core Int, then place the extra point in the 4th core of Henshin for 10 melee power and 3 PRR?

[unbongwah]

Instead of doing 3 versatile adept in harper, instead take the Core Int, then place the extra point in the 4th core of Henshin for 10 melee power and 3 PRR?

4th Henshin core requires monk lvl 12 and this build has only 6 monk lvls.

EDIT: baseline AP config for the INT build is 32 Henshin (Staff Spec) / 12 Harper (INT to dmg) / 11 Ninja (Shadow Veil) / 4 Acrobat (Acrobatics for +15% atk speed). That leaves 21 APs to spread as you see fit; I put 11 into RS for bursts then split the rest between other trees.

[thalliwell]

Sorry to pop into this thread,

I've been thinking about making a cleric/monk that twfs with longswords using whirling steel strike. Anyone in this thread have advice on the best way to do this? I was thinking a similar split to the one in this thread, hence commenting here.

Not looking for anything super optimal, a little gimpiness is always fun