Warlock NERF Again

[Zoriaan]

Have you done that on draconic would have given it some more credibility because despite having too much DPS and AoE damage at least it takes some skill to stay alive with only cocoon and heal scrolls when you don't have 250 PRR and a bunch of temp hp every few seconds.

Have you linked a vid we could have seen how important full self heals were, how may pots it took you if any, the degree of skill it took, if you were able to go afk in midlle of 8 LE mobs or 5 LE bosses for 30 secs without even being threatened etc.

So pls feel free to post a VID ( because we all know how missleading and manipulable screenshots can be) of a fleashy build with NO FULL HEALING BUTTON doing that if you really want to bring anything useful to the discussion. Some still waiting on a non magic damage dealing vid too, such as the barb or the kensei you told us that can do it fine. We only have seen warlocks , trees ( which don't count because they just use non WAI bugs), shiradi spammers, and now a sorc with full heal button complete that on a decent time.

So you are now admitting that your issue is not with warlocks, but with self healing?

[2pc2]

Can you quote the false claims and imaginary completions so we know what you are referring to?

The fact the you considered opportune to post about that an with such celerity is very teling too There is something I said that made you think I was refering tou you? Don't think I have said anything like that, I just said "some ppl", yet you coudn't avoid asking who. I wonder why

Though certainly I could have been said Sestra if I wanted. Because you certainly made some claims you coudn't ( and still can't for what I'm seeing) back up. Thus being either false and/or imaginary.

Just the most recent example :

Do you think there's no other build that can tank all the bosses and just stand there attacking till victory?

Do it mate, and post a VID and then maybe that claims will stop being imaginary.

[2pc2]

So you are now admitting that your issue is not with warlocks, but with self healing?

No Im saying that there are more OP and gamebreaking things that can make the game easy for everyone apart from warlock, though any of them is as ridiculos as warlock.

I'm for nerfing all this stuff, but this thread is about warlocks not self healing. I asked for some facts of some class performing as a warlock, some ppl started to use some other classes using some other OP gamebreaking stuff (like full self heals on a non specced healing toon) , that warlock don't even need to use because is so ridicously broken it don't need them, to make it look as warlocks were no so OP. Any class with full self heal button makes it a joke, thus full selfhealing making the game a joke for everyone. In that scenario no comparision is valid. If the game is a joke for everyone with full self heals and every one run with full self heals you can hardly tell any diference form class to class except which one has more DPS.

[Zoriaan]

And the sad reality of today game is that the "normal" average player will roll over slavers or any other quest in the game ( except maybe a few exeptions) with a warlock ( and couple or 3 other really broken builds ), while this same player will not be able to do that same thing on the rest of the classes builds or not so blatantly easy, to the point it completes quests double faster. That's a huge imbalance, the biggest I have seen over 6 years of playing DDO and warlocks are just the most clear example of that.

So why not give the average normal player their time in the sun as well? Lock is an easy entry into LE quests for the new player. Let them enjoy it. It does not affect my enjoyment in DDO at all. In fact I have grouped with 5 other locks in LE slavers and out-performed them by a county mile - they were all first life guildy alts etc, no gear etc etc...do you think they will now come running to the forums and start asking to nerf me as a player?

The long time power players can still be rolling over LE raids in non-locks using the knowledge and power in terms of past lifes, gear etc they have gained over the years and at the same time the newer players can be capable in LE quests on warlocks...I really don't see the problem with this.

[Zoriaan]

I'm for nerfing all this stuff

I think I know how you feel. I personally had the most fun in DDO around the time cap was 20, and we needed (mostly) balanced parties come complete Epic content. Even then the good groups were steamrolling content and great players were soloing epic stuff...

Guess what...back then people were also screaming for nerfs...if it was not Pale Masters being OP it was auto-crit on held mobs etc etc (remember all the meelee toons using picks for the big crits?)

I still have fun today, but I think deep down inside you know, I know, and everyone knows that ship has sailed so unless we embrace the current state of the game as it is and enjoy it, I am afraid you are setting yourself up for disappointment after disappointment...and if you think reaper will be the great savior...sorry you will be disappointed.

If you are not having fun in-game anymore then give the game a break. I take a one month break every other month as I work offshore on oil platforms and that helps keep the game fresh for me.

I think we will just have to agree to disagree on some stuff

[Chai]

Do you think there's no other build that can tank all the bosses and just stand there attacking till victory?

Yep, many of those boss DPS builds over the years have been built on this very concept. Nailed to the same place on the ground, all boosts going, full auto attack.

[Wizza]

I am not going to bother responding to wizza's 10/16 acct. If someone doesn't want their comments associated with their real account it doesn't deserve a response.

Oh my god, this just made my day ROFL.

[Chai]

No Im saying that there are more OP and gamebreaking things that can make the game easy for everyone apart from warlock, though any of them is as ridiculos as warlock.

I'm for nerfing all this stuff, but this thread is about warlocks not self healing. I asked for some facts of some class performing as a warlock, some ppl started to use some other classes using some other OP gamebreaking stuff (like full self heals on a non specced healing toon) , that warlock don't even need to use because is so ridicously broken it don't need them, to make it look as warlocks were no so OP. Any class with full self heal button makes it a joke, thus full selfhealing making the game a joke for everyone. In that scenario no comparision is valid. If the game is a joke for everyone with full self heals and every one run with full self heals you can hardly tell any diference form class to class except which one has more DPS.

Before: Perfectly willing to demand evidence of any other class or build which can accomplish what a warlock can, repeatedly, over many pages, in a warlock thread.

Now: Not being willing to discuss what other things perform as well or better than warlock in a warlock thread.

Before: Warlock is the best at everything and nothing is as powerful.

Now: Cant tell the difference between class to class.

Then after all that, declaring no comparison is valid. The goal posts didn't just get moved slightly. They obtained a passport and left the country.

[Zoriaan]

The goal posts didn't just get moved slightly. They obtained a passport and left the country.

Hehe...this made me chuckle...a bit of shining light in a thread is is heading nowhere fast

[2pc2]

So why not give the average normal player their time in the sun as well? Lock is an easy entry into LE quests for the new player. Let them enjoy it. It does not affect my enjoyment in DDO at all. In fact I have grouped with 5 other locks in LE slavers and out-performed them by a county mile - they were all first life guildy alts etc, no gear etc etc...do you think they will now come running to the forums and start asking to nerf me as a player?

The long time power players can still be rolling over LE raids in non-locks using the knowledge and power in terms of past lifes, gear etc they have gained over the years and at the same time the newer players can be capable in LE quests on warlocks...I really don't see the problem with this.

So according to your logic, when the new reaper difficulty come out it should be easy enough or there should be a class powerfull enough that a newb could run it on its max difficulty 10 skulls, even if he can't do it in any onther of the almost 20 classes in the game, to have and easy entry to 10 skulls? Let them enjoy ? It should not affect your enjoyment at all.

Would you be ok with 10 skulls being easy enough for a newb to run it just fine only and only if he choses 1 class over the other 15-20?

It's ridiculous, just as ridiculos as the fact that after 20 pages and a lot of imaginary uberness no one has posted or liked any evidence of something like it done by another class :



Just do it mate, a self proclaimed powergamer should have no problems destroying the quest in such a easy way with any other build, do it you know the conditions for a fair comparison, no cheesy selfhealing and no shradi spammers or broken trees. Grab a barb, a ranger, a bard whatever. And do it or convince one of you fellow powergamers to do it for you, post here a vid like that for everyone to see and enlighten us.

If not you will be just another poster making imaginary claims about his imaginary uberness, who after 25 pages of a thread didn't bother or didn't had the skill to prove his words with facts and do it with a non cheesy build.

[slarden]

Got love how a nearly 40 minute completion warlock video gets spammed with a con based warlock in US with past lifes, great gear as an example of how OP warlocks are.

Then one someone does it on a sorc in half the time it doesn't count because they were in exalted angel with self healing.

Last I heard US had self healing too.

Oh and best part... follow it up with a video showing how good warlocks are because they used bugged lgs before it was fixed with shortcut before you had to get at least one rune. Jan 2016 video which shows the power of exploits not warlock lol.

This is why I don't listen to the demands of fools.

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I don't think blasting warlocks are going to shine in reaper- although it's just a hunch. Blasting builds in general don't do as well with high hp enemies and I assume hp will be much higher in reaper.

[Atheok]

What did I tell you guys...goalposts keep moving...

@ 2pc2 and bigerkykid...

oh... we have spotlighted the intruders... joking, joking...

But really those guys failed their careers, 1 should have been paparazzi while the other one should make his living in the advertising. Or maybe they are really doing that in RL. That would blow everyone's mind wouldn't it?

Definitely I feel like gingerspyce could have paid some nice $$$ for the advertisement he gets in this thread, it's getting ridiculous to get all that for free.

[Zoriaan]

Just do it mate, a self proclaimed powergamer should have no problems destroying the quest in such a easy way with any other build, do it you know the conditions for a fair comparison, no cheesy selfhealing and no shradi spammers or broken trees.

Eth posted a fleshie sorc doing it on 24 minutes...what more do you want?

Will you only be happy if someone does it with NO COOCOON, NO HEAL POTS, NO FORM OF ANY SELF HEALING?

Self healing is a part of todays DDO so deal with it...and with a LGS affirmation stick with max hamp on it cocoon heals pretty much to full each time...not to mention the temp 1khp proc...so is this also cheating???

Even Voodoo used consecration in that video if I am not mistaken....and the dmg he deals on that build is really weak...it is a great and fun tanky build that is about it...how many levels of stupid are you?

Quite frankly you should get an infraction for spamming that stupid video over and over...as I am sure I will get for this post...and cordo should close this thread...

And if you think the powergamer people wont steamroll 10skull reaper on new and imaginative, or even existing builds at release you are clearly playing DDO in the lower leagues...

I have had enough of this thread and tards the like of you...you cant argue with idiots like yourself or bigerkykid...you literally drag everyone down to your level and then beat us on experience...

[mr420247]

Well said

no more nerfs

fix the exploits first

[Rys]

I am not going to bother responding to wizza's 10/16 acct. If someone doesn't want their comments associated with their real account it doesn't deserve a response.

Send PM to Cordovan and let him check the IPs so we are done with it and you get banned.

[BigErkyKid]

oh... we have spotlighted the intruders... joking, joking...

But really those guys failed their careers, 1 should have been paparazzi while the other one should make his living in the advertising. Or maybe they are really doing that in RL. That would blow everyone's mind wouldn't it?

Definitely I feel like gingerspyce could have paid some nice $$$ for the advertisement he gets in this thread, it's getting ridiculous to get all that for free.

LOL

I keep my word when I say that power gamers are good for the game, but man you are hard to interact with. Very aggressive!

Somehow now I must defend the position that warlock is the bestamest class / build in the game or then I am an hypocrite? Have I ever said that? I even said that the typical warlock (like the one in the famous video) is not great for raids and will likely be pretty bad for reaper?

You, and a whole bunch of your buddies, felt that it was really important to come here and show us that you have some uber builds, and some uber skillz, and that you can make better stuff than warlock. It was truly essential to have you come here to trash talk everyone, talk down experienced players, accuse of imaginary secret agendas everyone in this thread who believes the game is quite imbalanced at the moment.

So no, stop making up some nice straw men to beat on, no one said warlock is the best class. It is just one that is truly MUCH better for questing than many others. And this is what the call for nerfs / balance is about. Some classes /archetypes have been handed so much power that they make the game feel easy. For a lot of the game, this applies for almost all classes. But for portions of it, it is clear than some classes are more powerful than others.

Take a fleshy kensei, an assassin, an acrobat, a monk, or a bard. Now put them in a quest with a shiradi crit build, or a well built warlock, or a sorc. Now let's see how much they can contribute. In quests like Slavers (arguably the current "end game", gear wise) they will be much behind in performance. But also in ToEE, and well most of the easy content before that will just melt.

The case of the video shows how warlock can be built into a relatively powerful and yet almost immortal very efficient questing machine. And that's a form of power, and certainly not all revamped classes have it. This is all that most have said about that build.

The imbalance is obvious. For example: barbarian, paladin (thf, vanguard), assassin, acrobat, monk, bard, fleshy kensei <<< decent warlock, shiradi crit, shuriken, tree, etc .

Now it is also obvious that some builds tend to pull ahead sometimes, and that correlates with content, itemization, changes in mechanics and so on. What I am saying is the problem is when those builds pull ahead too much. It is GREAT to reward creativity, and people building interesting and powerful combinations are excellent for the game. However, when the amount of power that some of the builds have is so much greater than the rest, balance breaks. And then either you jump in the FOTM or you have to be prepared to solo / semi pike in groups.

How about instead of coming here to create trouble you try to have a normal conversation?

[Atheok]

... stuff ...

Usually a dog stops spinning around to catch its tale when it gets dizzy... Are you getting bored yet?

[BigErkyKid]

Usually a dog stops spinning around to catch its tale when it gets dizzy... Are you getting bored yet?

Of the thread? Kinda. Of the point behind the thread? Not so much. I think you are completely incapable of reading what I am saying. Is it because you are in brawl mode, because you must defend your BFF from some imaginary attack, because you feel good thinking that people complaining must be no0bs...

I cannot know since all you do is trash talk. But next time you come complaining about how the game is easy, please remember the positions you defended in this thread.

[BigErkyKid]

I have had enough of this thread and tards the like of you...you cant argue with idiots like yourself or bigerkykid...you literally drag everyone down to your level and then beat us on experience...

Please give this man a piñata to beat on.

[Vint]

Of the thread? Kinda. Of the point behind the thread? Not so much. I think you are completely incapable of reading what I am saying. Is it because you are in brawl mode, because you must defend your BFF from some imaginary attack, because you feel good thinking that people complaining must be no0bs...

I cannot know since all you do is trash talk. But next time you come complaining about how the game is easy, please remember the positions you defended in this thread.

Why do you think everyone in this thread is burying their head in the sand or are afraid their easy button will be taken away?

You yourself have been part of many of the nerf build threads over the years and guess what...there is always going to be a build that is on top. There is always going to be a class/build/race that is not as good. To have a true balance, Turbine would have to remove self healing, redo destinies and how they stack, limit the abilities with multiclassing and a few other things. I would not mind seeing a truer balance, but I don't think it is financially smart considering the age of the game and resources needed to make it truly balanced.

Asking to simply nerf WL is like putting a band aid on a chainsaw wound. Not enough to really matter.