U33 Unarmed Monks - Any Success Stories ?

[BigErkyKid]

Since most monk-players are gathered in this thread, would be nice to see some vids of specs, gear etc + ingame play. Can PM if you don't want it to be public.

My own 20 monk right now has only 11 points in HeM (I think my first build was 31!), and still I feel like a beast in both shroud and slavers... (currently at 200MP with blitz)

There aren't that many choices IMHO. Pump dex a bit more or go full WIS. This has to do with sneaky feat or not, pending the "new tree" with WIS to damage.

IMHO monk is not cutting it yet. The stuns are nice, but good groups have way better stuns (mass holds, freezing). The damage is inferior to top end melees, and the survivability is pretty cool but not optimized for tough content. You can heal all day long in quests (LE or not), but in a LE raid you need the 1 hit heal that you will probably lack (I experimented a lot in LE tempest solo on a pure shintao monk).

Fitting slavers is a matter of grind VS waiting for new updates and gear...

I had fun playing my monk, but it wasn't were I want an end game melee to be to stay in the build.

[Kebtid]

Idk, i dont see any issue with survival for monks, when you are in a tough spot just abudant away and prep your heal finisher which is pretty much a full heal.

Ive capped a 18 monk 1 wiz 1 figh to try out most things. (on a 3x completionist with tome n giberish)
Ninja spy armed is ok /but no real damage/ it could be interesting on some splits, tree is purely a shuri thing and sh fade.
Tod doesnt cut it, while its damage is quite nice the nonscaling dc means you can 99% on high tier bosses count it as 1/2 damage.

Henshins melle power is quite nice, 11 aps mandatory or more if going for a melle power build, focus is a nice addition like before since some fights start with a long talk seequence so you can actually start fight with focus 7-10 which is a nice damage burst. Staff monks seem again like a rogue /palie hybrid splits. (hotswaping staff might be ok for a centerd fighter or palie).

Shintao is where rework shines, strikes just feel good, utility of the 10% stacking psyh resistance debuff is one of best things i saw at a rework, thats directly 10% more dps and lands consistently on any content (some le issues).
Healing finisher is borderline broken imho, i had a 1800 hp heal without super opt hamp or gear around lv 26ish.
Fully opted it could be a 2-3 k aoe heal, way better then anything divines offer due to cast speed of mass heal/mass cure.


But thing is, the hitbox is just so bad, that it isnt worth to play a monk atm (unarmed), without kukan do it would be extremely annoying to chase after some mobs that have the tendency to run away, so until that is fixed i wont post specifics.
It is borderline acceptable when you solo, which i did until after horns but then guildie played on his sorc with me.
The rage was real when i was running after something that he was intentionally kiting away from me

[KomradKillMachine]

Monk DPS will still be gimp as long as the damage stat and tactics stat remain separate.

[BigErkyKid]

Healing finisher is borderline broken imho, i had a 1800 hp heal without super opt hamp or gear around lv 26ish.
Fully opted it could be a 2-3 k aoe heal, way better then anything divines offer due to cast speed of mass heal/mass cure.

The heals are adequate, but hardly OP. They lock you into just using fists of light, they have a minimum of 9 seconds cool down. You won't see 3k heals even with a fully decked monk. I had top line hamp / pos / crit pos and I was mostly in the 1k-2k (hardly ever 2k) range.

[Eth]

Since most monk-players are gathered in this thread, would be nice to see some vids of specs, gear etc + ingame play. Can PM if you don't want it to be public.

My own 20 monk right now has only 11 points in HeM (I think my first build was 31!), and still I feel like a beast in both shroud and slavers... (currently at 200MP with blitz)

Jichael.
I think the main problem is that you were so long away from the game, even the power creep on a monk feels to you like upgrading from a Ford Fiesta to a nice reasonable 150 horse power car.
The truth is all the non monk DPS builds are Ferraris.

[LavidDynch]

Jichael.
I think the main problem is that you were so long away from the game, even the power creep on a monk feels to you like upgrading from a Ford Fiesta to a nice reasonable 150 horse power car.
The truth is all the non monk DPS builds are Ferraris.

Tell that to the Devs counselor Eth! "Hey, can you please do something about this class cause my non.reformic guildies keeps insisting on playing it!"

[Eth]

Tell that to the Devs counselor Eth! "Hey, can you please do something about this class cause my non.reformic guildies keeps insisting on playing it!"

You can make a useful monk. It's called a monkcher. Ask theis for advise.
I won't go out of my way to ask for monk buffs, my feelings towards that class are well documented.

[Mr_Helmet]

I won't go out of my way to ask for monk buffs, my feelings towards that class are well documented.

Do you have nipples?

[Eth]

Do you have nipples?

Like the ones that trolls have? Yes, of course.

[Mr_Helmet]

Like the ones that trolls have? Yes, of course.

Rumors are they are the source of the Yellowbar.

[BigErkyKid]

The no-yellow bar guy thinks monks are underpowered.

'Nuff said!

[moo_cow]

Moo, did you drop ww on your build?
Since its only 4 hits now, im considering to drop it which leaves me with aoe issue (with the hit box issue), but single target pulls so much ahead with feats i gain by droping it.
Was also considering to test a 13 monk 6 ranger 1 wiz (because deep gnome life) with focus on dod to see how it interacts with new shintao strikes, if its possible to tojade 5 enemies or stun fist at once, would solve my aoe issue (but i lose monk tier 5s for that).
Nice thing about dod is that you can proc ballanced on every target as well.


Also i can confirm that kta works with all jade strikes. It actually works with almost everything, what im using is jade/tomb/smite/dismis strike/unbalance strike and it works for all of those.
(can post screenie as proof if needed).
And as last, can someone tell me how animations for lay waste and momentum have been coded?
Since im on a max dex/wisdom/int build for test purposes i cant get power attack til after etr to next test idea

I kept ww actually. Not really sure what to spend the other 5 feats on.

But either way I still like the use of whirlwind after I dire charge 6 mobs. Helpless on a whirlwind(with sense weakness) can still get you some pretty good damage. Throw out a few crits for 3-6 k while they are helpless is well worth it while fighting multiple mobs.

[Kebtid]

I kept ww actually. Not really sure what to spend the other 5 feats on.

But either way I still like the use of whirlwind after I dire charge 6 mobs. Helpless on a whirlwind(with sense weakness) can still get you some pretty good damage. Throw out a few crits for 3-6 k while they are helpless is well worth it while fighting multiple mobs.

Can always take focuses for melle power

[moo_cow]

Can always take focuses for melle power

This is fair. I would net 10 melee power, worthy of a 3.125% damage increase per swing. Still don't know if I would give up WW for that. I love having the aoe option especially after I dire charge. Some mobs get pretty close to dying after a single whirlwind.

[Tilomere]

I can't help but think the base crit profile of staff and unarmed means that ninja spy T5 wins regardless of monk weapon, because the majority of your damage will be on-hit effects like sneak damage. HeM cores of course.

[LavidDynch]

Might as well post it here -- monk vs portals (LE).



Yes, 1 melee and 11 ranged -- nice balanced game....

[LavidDynch]

Not sure if your post got deleted Tilomere.. I think the question is fair enough...

I got one point into action boost dmg in NiS, just for shroud purposes so its not really never that bad. The dmg goes down a bit when pl-rogue isn't active, I believe there are moments in the video where it isn't active -- slow old skool animation and it's better to just hit the portals then rebuffing in most cases. Strong point of Monk is that it is the fastest melee build to the portals; if you can reach a portal 4-5 seconds before the other melee they need to do some really sweet DPS to match yours..

Portal videos will probably be the highest base dmg videos due to the amount of debuffs they get. (rebuke etc..) .. I'm not sure if it is a bug, but I suspect that portals are suspectible to the Tomb of Jade (I only got jade strike; and it procs Tomb of Jade on vorpal -- and I've seen base numbers of 1.2k-1.5k non-crit for the duration of a portal life)

[Kebtid]

Not sure if your post got deleted Tilomere.. I think the question is fair enough...

I got one point into action boost dmg in NiS, just for shroud purposes so its not really never that bad. The dmg goes down a bit when pl-rogue isn't active, I believe there are moments in the video where it isn't active -- slow old skool animation and it's better to just hit the portals then rebuffing in most cases. Strong point of Monk is that it is the fastest melee build to the portals; if you can reach a portal 4-5 seconds before the other melee they need to do some really sweet DPS to match yours..

Portal videos will probably be the highest base dmg videos due to the amount of debuffs they get. (rebuke etc..) .. I'm not sure if it is a bug, but I suspect that portals are suspectible to the Tomb of Jade (I only got jade strike; and it procs Tomb of Jade on vorpal -- and I've seen base numbers of 1.2k-1.5k non-crit for the duration of a portal life)

Jil, why dont you experiment with staff combat?
WIth the upcoming update staff using will become quite nice, and best thing of all, when you burst a boss you can go hide to side on a spot where you arent getting hit, use the new focus and when its foc 7-8 you shout out in tspeak, and all your shuri monkcher hybrids run to you and use burst while inside aura.
Even if you dont land a single punch or a single strike you contribute massively for party dps by purely pressing 1 button. (meditation)
(if your guild is alrdy running pure ranged, try that as it will really increase dps massively since it stacks with everything now).

Monk has more utility then bards or artis atm xD

[KomradKillMachine]

Might as well post it here -- monk vs portals (LE).



Yes, 1 melee and 11 ranged -- nice balanced game....

You got a pure monk Wis based with everything else into Dex and Int. Shintao or Ninja Spy capstone?
Unless you are not pure then what's the split?

[LavidDynch]

Jil, why dont you experiment with staff combat?
WIth the upcoming update staff using will become quite nice, and best thing of all, when you burst a boss you can go hide to side on a spot where you arent getting hit, use the new focus and when its foc 7-8 you shout out in tspeak, and all your shuri monkcher hybrids run to you and use burst while inside aura.
Even if you dont land a single punch or a single strike you contribute massively for party dps by purely pressing 1 button. (meditation)
(if your guild is alrdy running pure ranged, try that as it will really increase dps massively since it stacks with everything now).

Monk has more utility then bards or artis atm xD

No matter how good this might be, it sounds bloody boring. I'm WW-monk being, to me, its fun and fast paced, and a perfectly valid option for a melee... right now.

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Im Str-Int based, Shin-Tao, no secret stuff... --- Dex - Int is probably better and easier to gear and one less stat to care about.