Cannith Crafting Builder Lite

[Ulfo]

I like it without. Easier to read on my not-exactly-large screen.

Same.

[Kragon]

Does this cover the trap building as well?

Going to download it anyways and have some fun with it.

Looks great btw.

[96th_Malice]

I just got to downloading this

THANKS !!

I have lots of mats and made lvl 350 just breaking stuff down and creating shards ... I have yet to craft anything and I'm not sure that I will BUT at least I can play with this while DDO is down for updates / restarts !

[Stoner81]

Any enterprising individuals want to go through the shard machine checking trinket effects? I will if nobody else does, but it will slow down my gearset planner release.

I can take a look at this tonight m8, I'm pretty sure the other half is off out so should have at least a few hours. Would I just need the list of effects Turbine provided and just check each of those individually in the crafting machine?

Stoner81.

[EllisDee37]

I can take a look at this tonight m8, I'm pretty sure the other half is off out so should have at least a few hours. Would I just need the list of effects Turbine provided and just check each of those individually in the crafting machine?

My plan was to deconstruct a trinket (or shard of power), slap an ML10 shard on it, then drag it into the shard machine and make a list of everything that comes up. (You need the ML10 shard on it so insightful effects show up.)

[Stoner81]

My plan was to deconstruct a trinket (or shard of power), slap an ML10 shard on it, then drag it into the shard machine and make a list of everything that comes up. (You need the ML10 shard on it so insightful effects show up.)

Ah fair enough m8, leave it with me and I'll see about setting off on it shortly just filling my face at the moment

Stoner81.

[Stoner81]

Here is the complete list as shown by the crafting machine:

(P) = Prefix.
(S) = Suffix.

Charisma (P) (S)
Constitution (P) (S)
Dexterity (P) (S)
Intelligence (P) (S)
Strength (P) (S)
Wisdom (P) (S)
Acid Guard (S)
Fire Guard (S)
Ice Guard (S)
Lightening Guard (S)
Light Guard (S)
Sonic Guard (S)
Piercing Guard (S)
Undead Guard (S)
Good Guard (S)
Evil Guard (S)
Acid Absorption (P) (S)
Cold Absorption (P) (S)
Electricity Absorption (P) (S)
Fire Absorption (P) (S)
Sonic Absorption (P) (S)
False Life (S)
Wizardry (S)
Enchantment Resistance (P)
Illusion Resistance (P)
Spell Saves (P)
Poison Ward (P)
Disease Ward (P)
Will (P)
Reflex (P)
Fortitude (P)
Resistance (P) (S)
Natural Armour (P) (S)
Parrying (S)
Protection (P) (S)
Dodge Bonus (P) (S)
Spell Resistance (P)
Fire Resistance (P) (S)
Cold Resistance (P) (S)
Acid Resistance (P) (S)
Electric Resistance (P) (S)
Sonic Resistance (P) (S)
Light Resistance (P) (S)
Negative Resistance (P) (S)
Poison Resistance (P) (S)
Sheltering (P) (S)
Balance (P) (S) - note that in the machine this doesn't mention Suffix unless you look at at the removed properties.
Bluff (P) (S)
Concentration (P)
Diplomacy (P) (S)
Disable Device (P)
Haggle (P)
Heal (P) (S)
Hide (P)
Intimidate (P) (S)
Jump (S)
Listen (P)
Move Silently (P) (S)
Open Lock (P) (S)
Perform (P)
Repair (P) (S)
Search (P) (S)
Spot (S)
Swim (S)
Tumble (P) (S)
Spellsight (P) (S)
Accuracy (S)
Deadly (S)
Seeker (P)
Doublestrike (P)
Doubleshot (P)
Shield Bashing (S)
Armour-Piercing (S)
Spell Penetration (P) (S)
Evocation Focus (P)
Illusion Focus (P)
Necromancy Focus (P)
Abjuration Focus (P)
Enchantment Focus (P)
Transmutation Focus (P)
Conjuration Focus (P)
Spell Focus Mastery (S)
Vertigo (P) (S)
Stunning (P) (S)
Shatter (P) (S)
Assassinate (P) (S)
Tendon Slice (S)
Combat Mastery (P) (S)
Fortification (P) (S)
Incite (P)
Diversion (P) (S)
Repair Amplification (S)
Healing Amplification (S)
Negative Amplification (S)
Potency (S)
Corrosion (P) (S)
Glaciation (P) (S)
Magnetism (P) (S)
Combustion (P) (S)
Resonance (P) (S)
Impluse (P) (S)
Radiance (P) (S)
Devotion (P) (S)
Nullification (P) (S)
Reconstruction (P) (S)
Acid Lore (P)
Cold Lore (P)
Electricity Lore (P)
Fire Lore (P)
Force Lore (P)
Light Lore (P)
Negative Lore (P)
Positive Lore (P)
Repair Lore (P)
Sonic Lore (P)
Spell Lore (P)
Ranged Alacrity (P) (S)
Melee Alacrity (P) (S)
Striding (P)
Blindness (P)
Eternal Faith (S)
Feather Falling (P)
Lesser Arcane Spell Dexterity (P)
Persuasion (P)
Regeneration (S)
Sacred (P)
Silver Flame (P)
True Seeing (S)
Underwater Action (P)

That is everything! I use a disjuncted Shard of Power and placed a ML10 shard on it and it showed up as ML13 still, assuming that is not a bug then no Insightful ones show up at all

Stoner81.

[EllisDee37]

Oh man, you totally rock.

That is everything! I use a disjuncted Shard of Power and placed a ML10 shard on it and it showed up as ML13 still, assuming that is not a bug then no Insightful ones show up at all

Doh!

That's my bad, I forgot to note that you also have to apply a mark of house cannith to it so that stuff that goes into the Extra slot will actually appear in the list.

Probably the best thing to do is apply a mark of cannith, then apply the cheapest prefix and suffix you can find to it so prefixes and suffixes no longer show up, then do it again to get a list of just the extra effects.

EDIT: Hang on while I research the cheapest trinket prefix and suffix for you...

Prefix: Fortification, Diversion, Incite, Acid Resistance, Any Skill
Suffix: Fortification, False Life, Any Guard, Cold Resistance, Any Skill

Depending on if you have more of Small Wooden Idols, Deadly Feverblanche, or Khyber Prayer Pamphlets.

[EllisDee37]

True Seeing (P)

Erm, you sure about that? My crafted trinkets with True Seeing show it as a suffix, not a prefix.

[Stoner81]

Oh man, you totally rock.

Doh!

That's my bad, I forgot to note that you also have to apply a mark of house cannith to it so that stuff that goes into the Extra slot will actually appear in the list.

Probably the best thing to do is apply a mark of cannith, then apply the cheapest prefix and suffix you can find to it so prefixes and suffixes no longer show up, then do it again to get a list of just the extra effects.

EDIT: Hang on while I research the cheapest trinket prefix and suffix for you...

Prefix: Fortification, Diversion, Incite, Acid Resistance, Any Skill
Suffix: Fortification, False Life, Any Guard, Cold Resistance, Any Skill

Depending on if you have more of Small Wooden Idols, Deadly Feverblanche, or Khyber Prayer Pamphlets.

Erm, you sure about that? My crafted trinkets with True Seeing show it as a suffix, not a prefix.

Thanks for that but if you apply the Mark of House Cannith then type in the search field "extra" (without the quotes) it gives you a list of all effects which can go in the "extra" slot, you can do the same for "prefix" and "suffix" too I will have a look at doing the others in a while

As for True Seeing you are correct it is indeed a Suffix not Prefix I will edit above just in case, also the above list is from the Bound Items machine not sure if that makes any difference.

Stoner81.

[EllisDee37]

I'm all set. I went through the shard machine with a trinket that only had the Extra slot available and wrote down every effect that came up.

Final Results:

Incite doesn't go on Trinket Suffix as all the planners say, but it does go on Shield which they do not mention. Plus, of course, Doubleshot and Doublestrike don't go on Trinket suffix either, but that was uncovered several days ago. (And was my inspiration to do this pass on trinkets.) Updating my data files now.

I expect to release the new version sometime tomorrow. All the coding is done, but I want to update the help files and do some more testing before release.

[Isolani]

Great work EllisDee37. I just came back from almost a year break, and had no clue what the new crafting was about, this helps a lot.

[Stoner81]

Incite doesn't go on Trinket Suffix as all the planners say, but it does go on Shield which they do not mention.

Sorry bud I didn't realize you wanted more than the trinket shards sorry dude.

Stoner81.

[EllisDee37]

Sorry bud I didn't realize you wanted more than the trinket shards sorry dude.

No, just trinket effects. Of course, any time there's a discrepancy on a shard I look up all the details for that shard.

I badly need to run a similar kind of analysis for every gear type (particularly shields) but I think I'll wait until the next lammania so I can do it for free.

[EllisDee37]

New version is up!

Release Notes

Version 1.1:

• NEW: Gearsets!
• Filled out scaling data for Vampirism
• Added Skill Tome conversion chart for Purified Eberron Dragonshards
• Fixed slotting info for:
  • Doublestrike is not a Trinket Suffix, but it is a Shield Suffix
  • Doubleshot is not a Trinket Suffix
  • Incite is not a Trinket Suffix, but it is a Shield Suffix

I added a walkthrough of the gearset screens with pictures in post 5.

Still no augments, as I don't yet have a clear picture of how the actual augment screen will work. I do, however, have a crystal clear vision of how augments will work on the gearset screens, but I need to set up the augment screen first. (There is already space left open for choosing augment slots on the Gearset Items screen, and space left open for slotting the actual augments on the Gearset Review screen.)

It turned out that gearsets alone involved more coding, more screens, and far more complexity than the entire rest of the program combined, which is why it took almost as long to write 1.1 as it did to write 1.0 starting from scratch. In the end, I'm very pleased with how gearsets turned out in that it perfectly matches my original vision for how it should work.

No timetable yet for v1.2 (augments) or for bundling this builder into my Character Builder Lite. To be honest I'm a little burned out, I have another project coming up, and my DVR is at like 92%, so I imagine at least a few weeks before I get back to it.

[dunklezhan]

I would really like it if the ML could be overtyped. Getting from 24 to 13 is a lot of clicking (edit - and now I've found the help file. Stupid me. Mousewheel is fine, now I know it's there. Others may still appreciate being able to type, for accessibility purposes if nothing else)

But as ever, superb work

Edit: I must say that for convenience I tend to use the online one by Ramzes when I'm in game. I'm hard pressed to choose between them though - if you could find a way to get yours to run in the browser, that would be amazing.

[EllisDee37]

I would really like it if the ML could be overtyped. Getting from 24 to 13 is a lot of clicking

I actually went to great lengths to make the spinners allow quickly setting values. You can hold down the mouse button instead of clicking each value, you can use the right button (click or hold down) to increment by large steps instead of small, you can use the mousewheel directly on the spinner, and adjust the step size for the wheel between large and small as well....

Actually, all these advanced spinner techniques are in the help file. Reproduced here:

Spinners

Use the mouse wheel to scroll values. Click the wheel in the center of the spinner (on the number) to toggle the increment size between large and small.

Hold down a mouse button to quickly scroll values, or manually click to change the value one step at a time.

For the left and right arrows, all three mouse buttons have different effects:

Left Button: Small change
Right Button: Large change
Click Mousewheel: Set to minimum or maximum

[dunklezhan]

I actually went to great lengths to make the spinners allow quickly setting values. You can hold down the mouse button instead of clicking each value, you can use the right button (click or hold down) to increment by large steps instead of small, you can use the mousewheel directly on the spinner, and adjust the step size for the wheel between large and small as well....

Actually, all these advanced spinner techniques are in the help file. Reproduced here:

Spinners

Use the mouse wheel to scroll values. Click the wheel in the center of the spinner (on the number) to toggle the increment size between large and small.

Hold down a mouse button to quickly scroll values, or manually click to change the value one step at a time.

For the left and right arrows, all three mouse buttons have different effects:

Left Button: Small change
Right Button: Large change
Click Mousewheel: Set to minimum or maximum

Yep I found it moments before you posted - this is innovative, I like it, and will use it. Its just not necessarily intuitive from looking at the screen alone.

So another suggestion to highlight this great little feature if skill and time allow would be on-mouseover hint text (as in hover-over, not just when clicking).

I'm aware that's not actually necessary though - you've got a Help link in the top corner, you've got a help file that certain idiots just needed to take the time to read before posting.

[EllisDee37]

I'm aware that's not actually necessary though - you've got a Help link in the top corner, you've got a help file that certain idiots just needed to take the time to read before posting.

The great irony is how much time, thought and effort I devote to the help file because I'm one of those idiots who never clicks on help for pretty much anything.

My hope is that any time someone thinks "Well this is a weird or clunky design" they'd open the help file to see if that's really how things are, or if there's a non-intuitive way to do it better. But if the user were me, those hopes would be in vain.

[dunklezhan]

The great irony is how much time, thought and effort I devote to the help file because I'm one of those idiots who never clicks on help for pretty much anything.

My hope is that any time someone thinks "Well this is a weird or clunky design" they'd open the help file to see if that's really how things are, or if there's a non-intuitive way to do it better. But if the user were me, those hopes would be in vain.

Lol me too - and I work in an IT department, my job is to make sure good IT training is available to the staff, and write bespoke basic stuff where needed due to the vagaries of our environment (e.g. E.g. having Office 2013 but not also having access to OneDrive).

So I empathise very much with both the frustration with users who stop being observant or using initiative the very moment they're presented with something new, and especially the frustration born from knowing I'm worse.