Cannith Crafted melee gearset

[EllisDee37]

If you guys haven't already, check out forum user ramzes7asit4's CC planner (in beta) and his "gear master" page for the new CC!
Planner: http://ccplaner.esy.es/
Gear Master: http://ccplaner.esy.es/gear_master.html

Thanks, ramzes for doing this!

Yep, that's an awesome resource, and he rocks the house. I linked it in the OP, along with his wiki page and his ML spreadsheet. (Pretty sure it's all the same guy, who, again, rocks the house.)

[EllisDee37]

I like that you left cloak and bracers open. I like ghostly in cloak also, and I will go mysterious bracers. Maybe bring in blurry on trinket. Only way I see to get ghostly and blurry without giving up mysterious , at least until treads of falling shadow or making a new GS smoke. Maybe something can be adapted easily at 20 with an epic golden guile, since you have imr on ring, shift con from neck to ring, myst to the cloak, leaving blur bracers, augment the devotion if it can't be fit in this gives spellcasting implement to offset some loss.

Another option for blurry is to drop Ring 2 and go with Ring of Shadows. Blurry by ML13, or ML14 with a colorless. Then blurry AND ghostly by 23, upgrading blurry to lesser displacement at 25.

[SerPounce]

This is a great thread! I definitely want to build something like this.

Might make sense to get a second cloak of invisibility slotted with deathblock for all the 12+ gearsets. That way you don't have to buy the most expensive augment for each tier (either from the ddo store, or by paying an arm and leg for a random drop).

Any thoughts on what levels would be best?

[EllisDee37]

Any thoughts on what levels would be best?

Now that the ML Spreadsheet is filled, I can sit down and analyze what makes the most sense. I'm starting to think that the 1-8 gearset would be best made with current crafting on BTA blanks, then switch to U32 crafting for 10+. But I haven't hammered out details yet.

(If you switch the green augment to deathblock, you won't have regular fortification anywhere. But your general point is quite valid. In particular I'm hoping to find a mostly static colorless slot to put Master's Gift, since that's debatably even more expensive than deathblock.)

[SerPounce]

Now that the ML Spreadsheet is filled, I can sit down and analyze what makes the most sense. I'm starting to think that the 1-8 gearset would be best made with current crafting on BTA blanks, then switch to U32 crafting for 10+. But I haven't hammered out details yet.

(If you switch the green augment to deathblock, you won't have regular fortification anywhere. But your general point is quite valid. In particular I'm hoping to find a mostly static colorless slot to put Master's Gift, since that's debatably even more expensive than deathblock.)

You could put fortification on the helmet, then deathblock (or whatever) on the neck, slot master's gift in the cloak, and just wear/swap in a voice for the first 8 levels.

[Enderoc]

Adamantine weapon with bodyfeeder, vampirism, red augment slot, and Eldritch ritual

[SerPounce]

So apparently t3 Cannith Challenge will loose the crafting option and get colored slots. If you're willing to give up the HP/SP from smoke bracers that would be another place you could "slot and forget" either deathblock or master's gift for lvls 7-29 (assuming they get a yellow/green slot, which seems likely).

[EllisDee37]

Did a first pass on optimal ML versions, though it's not posted yet. I would like to get this done sooner rather than later in order to figure out what I need to craft now on BTA blanks.

Turns out that the vast majority of items are best crafted in two versions: ML10 or 11, and ML20 or 21. The basic idea will be to level from 2 to 10 using current crafting plus some select named items, then at level 11 switch over to the new crafted gearset. Then upgrade this gearset at 21 and wear that until cap, when you switch over to your endgame gearset.

The biggest exception is goggles, where I'm thinking four versions, all slotted with Master's Gift:
ML2: Deadly +2 of Seeker +2
ML7: Deadly +4 of Seeker +5
ML13: Deadly +6 of Seeker +7 w/iSeeker +3
ML21: Deadly +8 of Seeker +10 w/iSeeker +4

[Stoner81]

Did a first pass on optimal ML versions, though it's not posted yet. I would like to get this done sooner rather than later in order to figure out what I need to craft now on BTA blanks.

Turns out that the vast majority of items are best crafted in two versions: ML10 or 11, and ML20 or 21. The basic idea will be to level from 2 to 10 using current crafting plus some select named items, then at level 11 switch over to the new crafted gearset. Then upgrade this gearset at 21 and wear that until cap, when you switch over to your endgame gearset.

The biggest exception is goggles, where I'm thinking four versions, all slotted with Master's Gift:
ML2: Deadly +2 of Seeker +2
ML7: Deadly +4 of Seeker +5
ML13: Deadly +6 of Seeker +7 w/iSeeker +3
ML21: Deadly +8 of Seeker +10 w/iSeeker +4

Getting Master's Gift for 4 items is going to be a monstrous PITA I hate Threnal at the best of times

Stoner81.

[EllisDee37]

Getting Master's Gift for 4 items is going to be a monstrous PITA I hate Threnal at the best of times

You don't already have them?

I probably have over half a dozen on my account, though they're spread across a bunch of different alts.

[Stoner81]

You don't already have them?

I probably have over half a dozen on my account, though they're spread across a bunch of different alts.

I have exactly one of them

Stoner81.

[EllisDee37]

Here's my first pass based on this breakdown, not including augments:


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Yellow means equip a new item. Parentheses mean optional named item; just leave blank (or go with previous item) if the character doesn't have it.

The top row is all with current crafting using BTA blanks, except goggles.

The bottom row is almost all U32 crafting. (The ML11 True Seeing trinket is with current crafting.) I'm thinking deathblock augment (ML12) slotted in the necklace, meaning I would keep wearing the deathblock ring until 13, not equipping the perform ring until then. (The problem with not having deathblock for levels 11 and 12 is that's the exact range where gnoll casters love to spam dispel+slay living, so it's a bit of a bummer to rely on deathward clickies.)

In all cases, I aimed for four items per slot to get from 2 to 30. Other than goggles, every slot has two versions for U32 crafting: ML10ish and ML20ish. Most of the pre-U32 crafted stuff in the lower levels have two versions also, with a couple exceptions. (Str and Con.)

[Saekee]

What levels make the most sense for upgrades based on the spreadsheet? Ideally, gearsets would be ML2, ML7, ML13, ML20 and ML26.

Sheltering helm of Accuracy w/Insightful PRR
- Sheltering scales smoothly (increases every level)
- Insightful PRR goes up during odd levels
- Accuracy scaling unknown
Best progression: ???

Seeker goggles of Deadly w/Insightful Seeker
- Seeker increases at levels 2, 4, 6, 7, 10, 13, 15, 20, then progression is unknown for epics
- Deadly scaling unknown
- Insightful Seeker starts at level 5 (+1), then increases at levels 10, 15, 20, 25, 29 and 34
Best progression: 2, 7, 13, 20, 25(?)

Alacrity gloves of Armor Piercing w/Insightful Accuracy
- Alacrity scaling unknown
- Armor Piercing scaling unknown
- Insightful Accuracy scaling partially known; progression is unclear
Bets progression: ???

Doublestrike belt w/Insightful Strength
- Doublestrike progression unknown
- Insightful Stats start at level 4 (+1), then increas at levels 7, 13, 18, 23, 29 and 34
Best progression: 2, 7, 13, 23

Striding boots of Strength w/Insightful Fortification
- Striding progression unknown
- Stats give +1 @ ML1, then increase at levels 2, 4, 5, 7, 10 (+6), 13, 15, 18, 21, 23, 26, 29, 32, 34
- Insightful Fortification scales smoothly (increases every level)
Best progression: 2, 7, 13, 21, 26

Health ring of False Life w/Insightful Constitution
- Stats give +1 @ ML1, then increase at levels 2, 4, 5, 7, 10 (+6), 13, 15, 18, 21, 23, 26, 29, 32, 34
- False Life appears to scale smoothly (increase every level)
- Insightful Stats start at level 4 (+1), then increas at levels 7, 13, 18, 23, 29 and 34
Best progression: 2, 7, 13, 21, 26

Resistance trinket of True Seeing w/Insightful Deadly
- Resistance gives +1 @ ML1, then increases at levels 2, 4, 7, 10, 13, 17, 20, 23, 27, 30, 33
- True Seeing is ML14
- Insightful Deadly starts at ML4 (+1), then increases at 10, 17, 23, 30
Best progression: 2, 7, 14, 20, 23

Fortification armor of Healing Amp w/Parrying
- Fortification scales smoothly (increases every level)
- Healing Amp scales smoothly (increases every level)
- Parrying gives +1 @ ML4, then increases at levels 7, 13, 18, 23, 29, 34
Best progression: 2, 7, 13, 18, 23


And I just realized that I forgot Dodge and Insightful Dodge, but I suppose those aren't relevant for heavy armor builds so it's not a universal effect like resistance or fortification.

So apparently t3 Cannith Challenge will loose the crafting option and get colored slots. If you're willing to give up the HP/SP from smoke bracers that would be another place you could "slot and forget" either deathblock or master's gift for lvls 7-29 (assuming they get a yellow/green slot, which seems likely).

keep in mind that bracers of wind have a small dodge bonus. Adding an augment now will make them sweeter--fear immunity?

[EllisDee37]

Running out of time, here's my final universal melee gearset:

Slot	Prefix	Suffix	Extra	Augment	Versions
Helmet	Wisdom or Intelligence	Resistance or Spot or Intimidate	Insightful Fortification	Underwater Action or Resistance	ML10 or ML12, ML21
Goggles	Seeker	Deadly	Insightful Seeker	Master's Gift	ML2, ML7, ML13, ML21
Necklace	Constitution	Sheltering	Insightful Constitution	Deathblock	ML13, ML21
Cloak	Cloak of Invisibility			Heavy Fortification	(ML9)
Bracers	Bracers of Wind	Greensteel Smoke (HP/SP)			(ML3, ML11)
Gloves	Melee Alacrity	Armor Piercing	Heroic: Ins. Devotion / Epic: Ins. Accuracy	Feather Falling	ML14, ML20
Belt	Doublestrike	False Life	Insightful Strength	Vitality	ML11, ML20
Boots	Dodge	Strength	Insightful Combat Mastery	Blindness Immunity	ML10, ML21
Ring 1	Charisma	Dexterity	Insightful PRR	Fear Immunity	ML10, ML21
Ring 2	Wizardry or Perform or Hide	Devotion or Assassinate	Insightful MRR	Striding or Wizardry	ML12, ML20
Trinket	Intelligence or Concentration	Heroic: True Seeing / Epic: Accuracy	Insightful Deadly		ML14, ML21
Armor	Combat Mastery	Healing Amp	Parrying	Good Luck	ML10, ML20

The idea is to have as many "universal" items as possible, with one or two designated slots for customizing as per build needs. Helmet and Ring 2 (and to a lesser extent, Trinket) are the customization slots.

Striding is unique in that the augment is actually stronger than the crafted version at all equal levels except 20, where they both give 30%. (For example, at level 12, crafted gives 18% while the augment gives 20%.) So your best bet if you need striding is to go with augments.

[EllisDee37]

For my own edification, here's what I need to craft or acquire. This seems like a ton, but it's actually very little when you consider that it's all the gear I'll need to get from level 2 to level 30 for four or five different characters, not counting situational swaps. (eg: trapping gear, absorption rings, deathward clickies, etc...) Almost all of it can be stored on mules, so this should free up a ton of inventory space on my account in general.

Helmet
Old ML3: Enchantment Save +6
New ML10: Wise +6 of Resistance +5 w/iFort +38 (Underwater Action)
New ML21: Wise +10 of Resistance +8 w/iFort +57 (Underwater Action)

Helmet (alternate)
Old ML1: Spot +5
Old ML5: Spot +10
Old ML9: Spot +13
New ML12: Wise +6 of Spot +14 w/iFort +42 (Resistance +4)
New ML21: Wise +10 of Spot +18 w/iFort +57 (Resistance +6)

Goggles
New ML2: Seeker +2 of Deadly +2 (Master's Gift)
New ML7: Seeker +5 of Deadly +4 (Master's Gift)
New ML13: Seeker +7 of Deadly +6 w/iSeeker +3 (Master's Gift)
New ML21: Seeker +10 of Deadly +8 w/iSeeker +4 (Master's Gift)

Necklace
BTC ML1: Necklace of Contemplation
Old ML5: Constitution +4
Old ML9: Constitution +6
New ML13: Constitution +7 of Sheltering +17 w/iConstitution +3 (Deathblock)
New ML21: Constitution +10 of Sheltering +25 w/iConstitution +4 (Deathblock)

Cloak
Old ML1: Will Save +4
BTC ML5: Mantle of the Worldshaper
BTC ML9: Cloak of Invisibility (Heavy Fortification)

Bracers
BTA ML3: Bracers of Wind
BTC ML11: Greensteel Smoke HP/SP

Gloves
Old ML1: Melee Alacrity
Old ML5: Feather Falling of Melee Alacrity
New ML14: Melee Alacrity +10 of Armor Piercing +11 w/iDevotion +45 (Feather Falling)
New ML20: Melee Alacrity +15 of Armor Piercing +14 w/iAccuracy +7 (Feather Falling)

Belt
Old ML1: Reflex Save +4
Old ML5: Improved False Life
New ML11: Doublestrike +7 of False Life +23 w/iStrength +2 (Vitality)
New ML20: Doublestrike +11 of False Life +36 w/iStrength +4 (Vitality)

Boots
Old ML1: Feather Falling of Jump +3
Old ML5: Resistance +4
New ML10: Dodge +6 of Strength +6 w/iCombat Mastery +3 (Blindness Immunity)
New ML21: Dodge +10 of Strength +10 w/iCombat Mastery +4 (Blindness Immunity)

Ring 1
Old ML1: Strength +2
Old ML5: Strength +4
New ML10: Charisma +6 of Dexterity +6 w/iPRR +6 (Fear Immunity)
New ML21: Charisma +10 of Dexterity +10 w/iPRR +12 (Fear Immunity)

Ring 2
Old ML3: Moderate Fortification
Old ML9: Deathblock of Perform +7
New ML13: Wizardry +137 of Devotion +87 w/iMRR +7 
New ML20: Wizardry +195 of Devotion +111 w/iMRR +11

Trinket
Old ML1: Secret Door Detection
BTC ML5: Voice of the Master
BTA ML8: Symbol of the Slave Lords
New ML14: Concentration +15 of True Sight w/iDeadly +2
New ML21: Concentration +18 of True Sight w/iDeadly +3

Armor (two versions: Light and Heavy)
Old ML2: Invulnerability
New ML10: Combat Mastery +5 of Healing Amp +22 w/Parrying +2
New ML20: Combat Mastery +8 of Healing Amp +38 w/Parrying +4 (Good Luck +2)

That's a total of 48 BTA items to hold in storage when all my alts are 30. Easily handled by a single mule. Plus I can finally throw away endless amounts of old twink gear. (Mire sets, sora kell, cove hats, etc...)

[Stoner81]

So if I have this straight, the first of your last two posts shows everything that would/will be needed starting from scratch and the second is what you need to make since you already have stuff made that will do for now? In the second post you say about "Old" items so are they ones you will getting rid of completely and just using the new stuff? Sorry for the dumb questions m8 I just seem to have the dumb atm lol

Oh and won't it cost a small fortune in crafting mats to make everything? It is a lot of gear.

Stoner81.

[EllisDee37]

Post 54 shows slotting: what effects go where.

Post 55 is a list of everything I plan to make. "Old" refers to stuff to be crafted now, on BTA blanks, before U32 goes live, using the old system. "New" means wait and craft it after U32 goes live, using the new system.

BTC and BTA refer to named items. Obviously, BTC items need to be acquired on each individual character.

EDIT: As for cost, yeah, now that the crafting planner is back online I can tally up the costs.

[Stoner81]

Ah that makes much more sense now thanks

Stoner81.

[EllisDee37]

Now the big question: Is this even remotely affordable?

Unfortunately, crafting True Seeing in the new system costs new high-level collectables that don't exist yet, so I can't make the trinkets immediately. For everything else, I could theoretically make the item with just prefix and suffix as soon as U32 goes live, then wait to add the extra effects as I collect new high level collectables through normal play.

To make just the ML/Prefix/Suffix versions of everything (except true seeing):

7840 essences
30 Amber Vial (have 241)
10 Amulet of the Six (have 203)
45 Blade of the Dark Six (have 1006)
30 Bruised Spore Pod (have 52)
10 Charred Soarwood (have 84)
10 Cryptmoss (have 89)
20 Cryptmoss Worm (have 86)
90 Cryptmoss Worm Larva (have 291)
20 Fragrant Drowshood (have 13)
120 Funerary Token (have 318)
10 Glass Phial (have 101)
30 Glittering Dust (have 305)
10 Khyber Prayer Pamphlet (have 31)
20 Mark of the Keeper (have 154)
20 Moonstone (have 103)
60 Page Torn from a Research Notebook (have 102)
10 Polished Ore (have 37)
60 Romantic Sonnet (have 165)
30 Runic Parchment (have 122)
10 Scholarly Notes (have 44)
10 Signet of the Devourer (have 246)
20 Silver Flame Hymnal (have 53)
120 Singed Soarwood (have 319)
60 Skull Fragment (have 779)
30 Small Planar Crystal (have 242)
10 Small Wooden Idol (have 155)
60 Sour Darkcap (have 165)
20 Sparkling Dust (have 231)
30 Sweet Whitecap (have 879)
20 Vial of Pure Water (have 85)
40 Wavecrasher' Cargo Manifest (have 321)

The cost of the "extra" effects, which includes purifieds and new high level collectables:

5300 Essences
90 Purified Eberron Dragonshards
30 Ancient Text (have 0)
10 Archaic Logbook (have 0)
15 Blister Beetle (have 0)
30 Brass Censer (have 0)
60 Crypt Moth (have 0)
30 Flint Knife (have 0)
15 Fractured Femur (have 0)
10 Hairy Trumpet (have 0)
90 Mortar and Pestle (have 0)
30 Ornate Charm (have 0)
60 Ruddy Fungus (have 157)
20 Silver Bowl (have 68)
30 Slime Mold (have 0)
10 Stone Fetish (have 0)


Seems attainable. Really all I need to find is 7 fragrant drowshood and I'm good to go. Not entirely sure which "extra" effects are using those existing collectables, but I could at least make those right away.

EDIT: The ruddy fungus and silver bowls are used for Insightful Fortification. (On the helmets.)

[Stoner81]

Written all the "old" stuff down so I can easily check in game but looking not to bad I think. I'm not going to bother with the trinket for DSD since I have a pair of goggles with that on already plus a pair for True Seeing at level 11. Been thinking about a Ranged version of this and I don't think there is a massive amount of difference between the two (main one being Doubleshot instead of Doublestrike that I can see) so maybe with a couple of small additions have both? Then again would need DEX and INT to cover all bases so might be a tad on the tricky side to squeeze everything in (I'm getting really good at this "bad idea" thing ).

Stoner81.