LE, Melee Rangers, And Your Gear!

[Thrudh]

Gear

Head - Legendary Executioner's Helm
Goggles - Cannith Crafted Goggles (Fill in the gaps)
Armor - Leathers of the Celestial Avenger - **Secondary Options**(ToEE Armor or Thunderforged Armor)
Necklace - Legendary Pendant of the Warrior's Focus **Secondary Options** (Epic Golden Guile)
Trinket - Epic Litany of the Dead
Cloak - Mysterious Cloak **Secondary Option** (Legendary Greensteel Cloak Triple Pos)
Belt - Legendary Chains (Con 17 - Stunning 20 - Deception - Quality Con 4 - Blue Slot
Bracers - Legendary Shackles (Str 17 - Spell power Positive 185 - Skills +22 - Quality Str 4 - Blue Slot
Boots - Boots of Blessed Travels
Gloves - Cannith Crafted (Fill in the gaps)
Ring 1 - Legendary Five Rings (+45 Sheltering - Resist 14 + UMD +7 +Quality PRR - Blue Slot)
Ring 2 - Legendary Ring of Prowess **Secondary Options** (Seal of House Avithoul)


Quiver - Epic Quiver of Alacrity

What "gaps" did you fill with the two Cannith Crafted items?

You've got Goggles and Gloves free...

Gloves are good... I would assume you would want Double-strike - Heal Amp - Insight STR - those are pretty rock-solid Cannith-crafted Gloves, and you don't have Double-strike anywhere else that I can see.

Googles aren't worth as much... You could get insight Seeker in the third slot... True Seeing or Spot in the middle slot... Not sure what you'd put in the first slot... INT or WIS?

Your setup is pretty similar to mine though, although I have far more Cannith-crafted instead of Slaver crafted (most of the same bonuses, but smaller)

[commando4290]

What "gaps" did you fill with the two Cannith Crafted items?

You've got Goggles and Gloves free...

Gloves are good... I would assume you would want Double-strike - Heal Amp - Insight STR - those are pretty rock-solid Cannith-crafted Gloves, and you don't have Double-strike anywhere else that I can see.

Googles aren't worth as much... You could get insight Seeker in the third slot... True Seeing or Spot in the middle slot... Not sure what you'd put in the first slot... INT or WIS?

Your setup is pretty similar to mine though, although I have far more Cannith-crafted instead of Slaver crafted (most of the same bonuses, but smaller)

What I find to be doin 14k + dps is the following:

Gear

Head - Legendary Executioner's Helm
Goggles - Cannith Crafted Goggles (Wis 15, TS, insight seeker, green slot)
Armor - 2d6 Thunder forged light armor
Necklace - Epic Golden Guile
Trinket - Epic Litany of the Dead
Cloak - Mysterious Cloak
Belt - Legendary Chains (Con 17 - Stunning 20 - Deception - Quality Con 4 - Blue Slot)
Bracers - Legendary Shackles (Str 17 - Spell power Positive 185 - Skills +22 - Quality Str 4 - Blue Slot)
Boots - Boots of Blessed Travels
Gloves - Cannith Crafted (heal amp 61, insight accuracy, double strike 17, green slot)
Ring 1 - Legendary Five Rings (+45 Sheltering - Resist 14 + UMD +7 +Quality PRR - Blue Slot)
Ring 2 - Legendary Ring of Prowess


Slotted augments - dex 8 - charisma 8 - int 8 (for when switching to int15 ins 7 for KTA is too much effort)- ins con 2 - ins str 2 - ins int 2 - ins wis 2 - festive wis 2 - festive int 2. Draconic soul gem, sp Aug, good luck 2 - globe etc...

Quiver - Epic Quiver of Alacrity


Weapons (non dr)

Thunderforged Khopesh 1 (Touch of Shadows | Dragon's Edge | Draconic Reinvigoration - slotted good and something else) OR Balizarde.

Legendary Greensteel Khopesh 2 (Vacuum)


Weapons (breaking dr)

TF touch of shadows, dragon edge, draconic, good slotted
TF 1st degree, dragon edge, mortal fear (force dmg) or burning emptiness (meh) , good slotted

Or just use vacuum get 20 stacks then switch and maintain 20 with 1st degree burns but I hate switching so yea..

For DPS test (to show maximum dps potential, I use ToEE khopesh with vacuum khopesh for 20% vulnerability and 20 Melee power and switch to knife toed boots for armor piercing) but I do not use this for usually quests , only testing.)
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My setup is aimed at maximum dmg output. I switch to int 15 insight int 7 for KTA.

[NaturalHazard]

For legendary right now, I'd make a TF khopesh (touch of shadows / dragon edge / draconic reinvigoration) main hand and offhand LGS vacuum and wear the 2d6 TF Armor. **keep in mind, ToEE khopesh elemental vulnerability over writes the TF 1st degree burns but NOT the vacuum** so you can rock ToEE khopesh with Vacuum for non dr, and get +20 Melee power and insta 20% vulnerability and when you need to bypass fort, put on knife toed boots or pendant warrior focus. But overall for me, it's TF armor with TF khopesh and vacuum always comes out on top.

2d6 scaling + insta 20% vulnerability + armor piercing 35% > 20 Melee power. You may see little less base dmg but you crit more and SA is through the roof equals more dps.

The 2d6 is way better than 3% double strike trust me. I've tested it over and over and with 2d6 scaling there's no argument.

My build is focused on base damage and SA. But yes, I'm scion of ethereal. And my sneak attack is around 700 a hit with sneak of shadows clicky rogue past life .
When I'm bursting , my hide is at 170. And I'm an str build. And when I'm not I'm around 130 hide.

I don't like losing improved deception or bluff. Especially if you use exposing strike as a ranger.

hmm very nice, do you nearly always have that level 20 necklace, golden guile always slotted? I do not have the shard for that, not through lack of trying though. I might have the ring of lies though.

[commando4290]

hmm very nice, do you nearly always have that level 20 necklace, golden guile always slotted? I do not have the shard for that, not through lack of trying though. I might have the ring of lies though.

You can use the ring of lies until you get the shard (getting that shard is not easy lol)

But the prowess ring and slave Lord rings are a must have when you finally get your golden guile shard. Imp deception and bluff are amazing when they work. Mobs just don't want to see you anymore...

When you do get all your stuff, try go and stand between legendary mobs in tempest spine and 1.Dire charge 2.Dance of death 3.Thousands cuts, and thank me later.

It's a grind but it's worth it.

And yes golden guile 99% of the time.

[NaturalHazard]

You can use the ring of lies until you get the shard (getting that shard is not easy lol)

But the prowess ring and slave Lord rings are a must have when you finally get your golden guile shard. Imp deception and bluff are amazing when they work. Mobs just don't want to see you anymore...

When you do get all your stuff, try go and stand between legendary mobs in tempest spine and 1.Dire charge 2.Dance of death 3.Thousands cuts, and thank me later.

It's a grind but it's worth it.

And yes golden guile 99% of the time.

So thats how you survive I mean even with 180+ ppr and 1300-1400 hp one shot by melee easy this is on an undergeared fighter but still im using heavy armor and a towersheild.

[commando4290]

So thats how you survive I mean even with 180+ ppr and 1300-1400 hp one shot by melee easy this is on an undergeared fighter but still im using heavy armor and a towersheild.

Not about being able to suck up damage anymore. As a pure dps class you will get one or two shotted if you just stand there. It's all about getting max dodge, max prr, max mrr, Max Instakill DC / Max Stun DC. Displace / Blitz / Run in there / Dire charge / Kill / Heal - repeat. Displace/Dodge/Incorpreal/Blitz PRR/AC (Miss chance) Turd skin ftw.

Thats how you play a dps if you want to do that now. Otherwise you need to have 280 Minimum PRR and 3K minimum HP if you want to sit there and soak up damage like the old days and youd still die in Shroud, unless youre on point.

Your main target as dps is kill first heal second. I have my heal spells where I can spam the **** out of them for oh **** moments.

[NaturalHazard]

Not about being able to suck up damage anymore. As a pure dps class you will get one or two shotted if you just stand there. It's all about getting max dodge, max prr, max mrr, Max Instakill DC / Max Stun DC. Displace / Blitz / Run in there / Dire charge / Kill / Heal - repeat. Displace/Dodge/Incorpreal/Blitz PRR/AC (Miss chance) Turd skin ftw.

Thats how you play a dps if you want to do that now. Otherwise you need to have 280 Minimum PRR and 3K minimum HP if you want to sit there and soak up damage like the old days and youd still die in Shroud, unless youre on point.

Your main target as dps is kill first heal second. I have my heal spells where I can spam the **** out of them for oh **** moments.

lol i do not just stand there and even on my high dodge high incorp blitzing melee 1 hit is all you need even displaced it just gets annoying one missed cc or the tiniest bit of lag *ding* and there still is a lot of lag, and it doesn't even have to be big lag just a split second. it can get frustrating. Idk I guess I might need to play a class where I can jump around and still do damage without having to target much for those laggy momments but I find that playstlye boring.

[commando4290]

lol i do not just stand there and even on my high dodge high incorp blitzing melee 1 hit is all you need even displaced it just gets annoying one missed cc or the tiniest bit of lag *ding* and there still is a lot of lag, and it doesn't even have to be big lag just a split second. it can get frustrating. Idk I guess I might need to play a class where I can jump around and still do damage without having to target much for those laggy momments but I find that playstlye boring.

lol..

Lag is something else for sure.

Hey look! A Monkcher..

oh wait,

/facepalm

[C-Dog]

So, the previous thread on LE Melee Rangers was a little gold mine of useful information...

Tease. Got a link to that thread? Thx!

[NaturalHazard]

I actually went and looked through all my bags and I actually can make two epic golden guils's I will have to keep track of my epic stuff so I do not loot something that someone else could use but man its a lot of work I wish i kept a better filing system of to what i have.

Also getting one shotted by mobs you have stunned, you and standing behind them and they appear helpless with the symbol above their heads then *ding* you get hit for 1600 damage.............

[Saekee]

you will proc deception much more by coupling your improved deception item with an improved deception weapon. It should be handy when you have aggro. I have not played the endgame which you have but have found in all other instances that it is really useful defensively (as well as offensively but obviously the improved deception weapons are not as good as the LGS vacuum).

Perhaps Agony which comes with keen.

[commando4290]

you will proc deception much more by coupling your improved deception item with an improved deception weapon. It should be handy when you have aggro. I have not played the endgame which you have but have found in all other instances that it is really useful defensively (as well as offensively but obviously the improved deception weapons are not as good as the LGS vacuum).

Perhaps Agony which comes with keen.

Which is why I use a Vacuum And an Improved Deception, throw in a TF Khopesh, and your splattering Legendary Elite trash left right and centre.

Agony? Nobody got time for that.

[Ellihor]

I actually went and looked through all my bags and I actually can make two epic golden guils's[...]

You said you have the ring of lies, then you can just use it and put a slaver on the neck instead of in that ring slot, would actually be better than slaver ring + epic golden guile. But I don't understand why are people giving up the pendant of warrior's focus. 7% doublestrike if too much to just pass, and the other enchantments it has are bonus

[Ellihor]

2d6 scaling + insta 20% vulnerability + armor piercing 35% > 20 Melee power. You may see little less base dmg but you crit more and SA is through the roof equals more dps.

But what about 2d6 + armor piercing 7% vs 20 MP? Now it's hard to choose. You can totally use ToEE + LGS.

Looking at the armors, the TF gives ghostly and 2 more to saves (gem from a slaver item that gives 14 res would instead be used to put armor piercing 28%, since the ToEE armor already has res 12), while the ToEE gives 20% more fort, 30% absorption to something (may be useful for reaper) and perma blur.

[akiraproject24]

Did it slightly different. Originally dead set on str/khopesh but was shown the light from a good buddy on going dex/scimmy.
Numbers arent as big but the crits proc just as often as the non crits.

Helm: Legendary executioners with golems heart slotted/ +1 mythic
Goggles: CC Wisdom 15/melee alacrity/ins seeker with blindness immunity and str 8 slotted (rare occasion a mentau swap)
Necklace: Slavers sheltering/devotion/UMD/quality prr/statuette/green slot with proof against disease
Cloak: slavemasters cloak topaz power 250 +1 mythic
Belt: Slavers Con 17/Deception/Heal 22/Quality con/ green slot insight con 2/statuette
Boots: CC Dodge 15/Parrying/Insightful dodge/Proof against poison and vitality slotted
Gloves: CC Doublestrike 17/Insightful Dex 7/ Hamp 61/Fear immunity and Globe of true imperial slotted
Bracers: Slavers Dex 17/Armor piercing 28/Quality Dex 4/Green slot natural armor 8 (waiting to decide on perform 22 or stunning)/Statuette
Trinket: Epic litany good luck and Draconic gem slotted
Ring 1: Legendary ring of prowess mythic 1 false life slotted
Ring 2: Avithoul insightful wis 2/occasionally ring of power
Armor: ToEE SMoldering leather Deathblock slotted (still need a shroom for final upgrade)
Weapon 1: LGS Triple Pos legendary affirmation/LGS Vaccuum (Occasionally leopards chill to freeze golems or wherever that proc is useful)
Weapon 2:ToEE electric scimmy with resonance slotted +2 mythic shroom

I wanted it all but couldnt insighful con 7 couldnt fit and would have liked insight doublestrike on that neck but again couldnt fit it.
Currently running Scion of Feywild, wasnt my initial choice but again a good bud made a case for it and in practice I cant refute it.
Still debating staying feywild and slot perform 22 on my slavers shackles. If not, will take dire charge and slot stunning on the shackles...time will tell. 99 Reflex, 130 some odd ac with 6 more martial lives to go. 29 dodge, 5% incorp(dropped ghostly on item but swap to mentau occasionally). 175 PRR (205 while blitzed).
Went overboard on the armor piercing 48 +25 Precision + -25 Mark of the Hunted and +13 insightful situationally (portals) but its quite a beautiful sight to see fast consistent crits on those stupid things. Was going to go true seeing on goggles but the stave of seer clicky was bumped to 20 min and keep 4 in the pack.
I got lucky and was able to find dual slot items for my Cannith crafted gear. Otherwise would have been hard to get most of the smaller defenses and stat items in.

Hoping to fall in love with Dire charge as I have sense weakness twisted and those numbers are pretty exciting.
Goals are to make LGS salt and ooze for flavor and to find +3 mythic helm, cloak and ring of prowess.
Will probably drop either poison or disease augment for striding and take the no fail reflex feat at some point, but i currently dont mind the slight inconvenience of the occasional 1.

Anyhow probably not the best way to do a tempest but its been pretty amazing thus far.

[NaturalHazard]

But what about 2d6 + armor piercing 7% vs 20 MP? Now it's hard to choose. You can totally use ToEE + LGS.

Looking at the armors, the TF gives ghostly and 2 more to saves (gem from a slaver item that gives 14 res would instead be used to put armor piercing 28%, since the ToEE armor already has res 12), while the ToEE gives 20% more fort, 30% absorption to something (may be useful for reaper) and perma blur.

Doesnt he get perma blur from his scion feat anyway?

[NaturalHazard]

Did it slightly different. Originally dead set on str/khopesh but was shown the light from a good buddy on going dex/scimmy.
Numbers arent as big but the crits proc just as often as the non crits.

Helm: Legendary executioners with golems heart slotted/ +1 mythic
Goggles: CC Wisdom 15/melee alacrity/ins seeker with blindness immunity and str 8 slotted (rare occasion a mentau swap)
Necklace: Slavers sheltering/devotion/UMD/quality prr/statuette/green slot with proof against disease
Cloak: slavemasters cloak topaz power 250 +1 mythic
Belt: Slavers Con 17/Deception/Heal 22/Quality con/ green slot insight con 2/statuette
Boots: CC Dodge 15/Parrying/Insightful dodge/Proof against poison and vitality slotted
Gloves: CC Doublestrike 17/Insightful Dex 7/ Hamp 61/Fear immunity and Globe of true imperial slotted
Bracers: Slavers Dex 17/Armor piercing 28/Quality Dex 4/Green slot natural armor 8 (waiting to decide on perform 22 or stunning)/Statuette
Trinket: Epic litany good luck and Draconic gem slotted
Ring 1: Legendary ring of prowess mythic 1 false life slotted
Ring 2: Avithoul insightful wis 2/occasionally ring of power
Armor: ToEE SMoldering leather Deathblock slotted (still need a shroom for final upgrade)
Weapon 1: LGS Triple Pos legendary affirmation/LGS Vaccuum (Occasionally leopards chill to freeze golems or wherever that proc is useful)
Weapon 2:ToEE electric scimmy with resonance slotted +2 mythic shroom

I wanted it all but couldnt insighful con 7 couldnt fit and would have liked insight doublestrike on that neck but again couldnt fit it.
Currently running Scion of Feywild, wasnt my initial choice but again a good bud made a case for it and in practice I cant refute it.
Still debating staying feywild and slot perform 22 on my slavers shackles. If not, will take dire charge and slot stunning on the shackles...time will tell. 99 Reflex, 130 some odd ac with 6 more martial lives to go. 29 dodge, 5% incorp(dropped ghostly on item but swap to mentau occasionally). 175 PRR (205 while blitzed).
Went overboard on the armor piercing 48 + -25 Mark of the Hunted +13 insightful situationally (portals) but its quite a beautiful sight to see fast consistent crits on those stupid things. Was going to go true seeing on goggles but the stave of seer clicky was bumped to 20 min and keep 4 in the pack.
I got lucky and was able to find dual slot items for my Cannith crafted gear. Otherwise would have been hard to get most of the smaller defenses and stat items in.

Hoping to fall in love with Dire charge as I have sense weakness twisted and those numbers are pretty exciting.
Goals are to make LGS salt and ooze for flavor and to find +3 mythic helm, cloak and ring of prowess.
Will probably drop either poison or disease augment for striding and take the no fail reflex feat at some point, but i currently dont mind the slight inconvenience of the occasional 1.

Anyhow probably not the best way to do a tempest but its been pretty amazing thus far.

scimitars crit 5percent more often than khopeshes but khopeshes crit for almost a third again the amount of damage?

[Ellihor]

Doesnt he get perma blur from his scion feat anyway?

Yes, but 5% less. Meaningless if you run displaced all the time, but I was thinking more about the 20-22 MP, I think that's a wash compared to 7% armor piercing +2d6 SA. If you want more amor piercing you could be fitting in LRing of Power. Also, when you're at a party/raid there's no need to use vacuum because someone else will have it anyways, so you can use TF for extra armor piercing, or Balizarde.

scimitars crit 5percent more often than khopeshes but khopeshes crit for almost a third again the amount of damage?

Look this way: in 20 hits, scimi does base damage 37 times in LD (1.85 x base per hit) + 25 times your seeker bonus. Khopesh does 38 x base (1.9 x base each hit) + 24 x seeker.

Ignoring the meaningless seeker difference and higher dice, khopesh does 2.7% more damage than scimi. It's some more because they're d8 while scimi is d6, so you get about 5 more base damage with khop, while scimi gets a bit with bursts from effects.

In the end it's more up to: do you want max dps, or close to max but caring about one less stat, having godlike reflexes, saving AP from improved evasion enh in tempest, a twist (probably dropping scream since you'd dump STR), a feat, and having less damage wasted on kill (crit less but more often = less chance to 'waste DPS' overkilling the mob). I think this case, like the ToEE, is a wash too, but still, some people want max DPS.

[akiraproject24]

Yes, but 5% less. Meaningless if you run displaced all the time, but I was thinking more about the 20-22 MP, I think that's a wash compared to 7% armor piercing +2d6 SA. If you want more amor piercing you could be fitting in LRing of Power. Also, when you're at a party/raid there's no need to use vacuum because someone else will have it anyways, so you can use TF for extra armor piercing, or Balizarde.



Look this way: in 20 hits, scimi does base damage 37 times in LD (1.85 x base per hit) + 25 times your seeker bonus. Khopesh does 38 x base (1.9 x base each hit) + 24 x seeker.

Ignoring the meaningless seeker difference and higher dice, khopesh does 2.7% more damage than scimi. It's some more because they're d8 while scimi is d6, so you get about 5 more base damage with khop, while scimi gets a bit with bursts from effects.

In the end it's more up to: do you want max dps, or close to max but caring about one less stat, having godlike reflexes, saving AP from improved evasion enh in tempest, a twist (probably dropping scream since you'd dump STR), a feat, and having less damage wasted on kill (crit less but more often = less chance to 'waste DPS' overkilling the mob). I think this case, like the ToEE, is a wash too, but still, some people want max DPS.

Agreed. When I was swinging khopesh's in Str build the bigger crits were nice, and the base damage (to the eye was barely noticeable but on average larger). I was pretty dead set on Str/pesh but finally listened to some advice and reluctantly gave it a try. Not saying that the DPS is equal to a pesh swinger but its minimally behind and really have enjoyed the defensive benefits most noticeably in LE raids where while I still can be one shotted, it tends to happen far less often than when I was a Str build. Certainly there are those players whos twitch and tactics far exceed mine and can easily make up for any surviveability gains the Dex build has. Having played the toon in both Str/pesh and Dex/Scimmy, just figured I would share it as originally I refused to look at it and when I did, I was impressed.

[adrian69]

Agreed. When I was swinging khopesh's in Str build the bigger crits were nice, and the base damage (to the eye was barely noticeable but on average larger). I was pretty dead set on Str/pesh but finally listened to some advice and reluctantly gave it a try. Not saying that the DPS is equal to a pesh swinger but its minimally behind and really have enjoyed the defensive benefits most noticeably in LE raids where while I still can be one shotted, it tends to happen far less often than when I was a Str build. Certainly there are those players whos twitch and tactics far exceed mine and can easily make up for any surviveability gains the Dex build has. Having played the toon in both Str/pesh and Dex/Scimmy, just figured I would share it as originally I refused to look at it and when I did, I was impressed.

Without going to much into it, the trade offs are around 12 weapon damage(+seeker)^6 multiplier in LD w/khops vs. 12 reflex and AC, as well as crit'n 20% vs 25% of the time. That's pretty generalized based on just trying which one I liked best four months back. In truth, you're right. You will not notice base damage to much. You also get tons more smaller crits with scims (or rapiers) that make up for the loss of the multiplier. Rolls of 20 is what truely throws Khops ahead outside of the math.

Anyway, the overall difference was about 3-5%. Go do a Bruntsmash test under the same factors and if your scim score is with 1 second behind your khops, divide the khop DPS into the scim DPS.



Off note:

How do you post images on here? I see the thing up there, it allows me to select an image, but it doesn't copy it here.