Death Knight= Lord Soth?

[Uska]

Isnt Crysania the one that Raistlin takes back in time to sort out the high cleric that caused the cataclysim?

I think he needed to use her to get into the dark Queens world or something.

Yes

[LongshotBro]

Unearthed Arcana was one of the if not the last addition to 1st Ed. It also detailed the Cavalier Class, the Thief Acrobat Class and Comeliness.

All of those things were then dropped again for 2nd Ed. {Cavalier, Acrobat and Barbarian became kits rather than full Sub-Classes}.

Barbarian did make a comeback in 2nd Ed. with it's own class sometime around 94-95 but before and even after that it was only ever an optional extra until 3rd Ed. or possibly 3.5.

Dragons of Autumn Twilight was written in 1984, Unearthed Arcana in 1985!

Dragonlance was specific to itself and quite different to Greyhawk and Forgotten Realms - It was only when Spelljammer came out in 1989 that Krynn became linked to those other D&D Worlds.
And even that link was smashed apart by the horrific 5th Age published in 1996.


If Dragonlance wants to call it's Kender Rogues Handlers or it's blatantly obvious Paladins Knights then so be it but DDO doesn't have Handler or Knight Classes {PDK still has to take a Class} and as we're talking about what these characters would be in DDO Tasslehoff would be a Halfling Thrower Rogue {either with Monk/Ranger levels added or treated as an Acrobat because of the other use of his hoopak or staff-sling which isn't accounted for in DDO and Sturm would be a Paladin {He can't be a PDK because Puprle Dragon Knights are not Knights of the Rose!}.

If DDO had a Cavalier Class I'd put Sturm in that but DDO does not have a Cavalier Class.



As for Goldmoon - She BECAME a Worshipper of Mishakal AFTER being CHOSEN BY MISHAKAL!
This to me makes her a FavSoul because Clerics make the Choice themselves rather than having it thrust upon them.
You could of course argue for a Cleric/Soul multiclass with 2 Soul levels and Exalted Angel as main Destiny but no way is Goldmoon Pure Cleric.

So your logic is Goldmoon is a class that didn't exist until over a decade later, and you're point of contention is that the Barbarian didn't exist until 1 year later? besides, i'd say gods in a sense choose their clerics in some fashion, no? i doubt anyone could just pick a god's name out of a hat and be like "i'm your cleric now, give me divine powers!"

tbh you're all over the place in this discussion. The only reason i mentioned it is because you said barbarian is a kit, which it is in 2nd edition. I mean, if we're going to speculate the characters' classes choosing from any of the editions, that's one thing. if we're going to use DDO parameters, that's another. if we're tying it to whatever edition of D&D was current when the original trilogy was printed, that's yet another.

Knights of Solamnia were's blatantly paladins. They weren't even subtley paladins. they served no divine cause and had no divine powers. they were fighters.

[die]

I was just running through Lords of dust and noticed the death knights. |It never really occurred to me before.

When I was young and getting into D&D I only really read the DragonLance books.

Lord Soth was a BEAST though. A cohort of Banshees, skeletal knights, chariots pulled by skeletal horses.... His Nightmare.

How come the death knights in DDO are so..... pony.

Is it a world thing, is it a translation to game thing?

Speaking of which, if the Hero's of the dragonlance saga where in Ebberon, in our game, as they appear during the war of the dragons. What sort of levels/ classes would they be?

Just some musings really...........

Not to mention his fear affects, you better have balls of steel if your going to stand near him.

[icekinslayer]

Well this heated up a bit

this is from frans playbook...lots of exclamations and random capitalizations, then people start getting infractions...

anyways, great topic, dragonlance was right after lord of the rings when I was 12....great story...

[Hydian]

Instead of guessing about what the stat blocks for the Dragonlance characters were and arguing over those guesses, you could always just go look at the published stat blocks. The DL series of modules (written by Tracey Hickman among others) followed the war of the dragons and had stat blocks for all of the major characters as the intention was for the players to play as them instead of using their own. It was 1st edition, but the base classes all existed so if Tannis was meant to be a Ranger or Sturm a Paladin, they would have been (They were both fighters).

[Braegan]

Lord Soth isn't just any old Death Knight, He's the ruler of a Ravenloft Realm and the reason that Realm exists!

Pretty much this. Lord Soth wasn't a Death Knight, he was THE Death Knight.

Regarding the Heroes of the Lance, their exact level depends on what point you are referring to. I used to own nearly everything I could get my hands on as far as a source book.

In the beginning of the trilogy they were almost all 4th level. In the 1st ED Dragonlance Hardcover Source Book (which times during the Twins Trilogy) they were mostly 14th level, save Raistlin who was level 20. Bear in mind the lore of Dragonlance, getting to level 20 attracted the attention of the deities so it was a rarity that anyone ever made it that far.

Their classes according to the sourcebook line up with pretty much what you'd expect.

Tanis, Sturm, Flint, Caramon = all fighters. Sturm died before being properly sworn into the Knighthood.

Tiki was a fighter/rog

Riverwind was a ranger

Goldmoon was a cleric of Mishakal

Laurana was a fighter, as was Kitiara

Raistlin was a wizard

Tass was a Handler

[Baktiotha]

As I said earlier, I had just looked this up online when the discussion about a D&D movie came up. My first post was from memory and it looks like I got Riverwind wrong. Not bad for the number of characters involved but still a mistake so I'll own up to it.

It is a good point that it is hard to bridge not only multiple editions but also the jump from table top to novel to DDO. The question is more than just what are the characters in original form but also what would they be in DDO.

I don't think that it is necessary to change any of them very much. Clearly Tasslehoff has to become a rogue. Handler doesn't exist in DDO and rogue is what thief became. Otherwise for the basic group in the earliest books I think that it is reasonable to leave them as they are.

Sturm is LG. That is enough to explain why he is best of the Knights. He has the highest moral code. Some players likely feel that a high moral code means paladin but that isn't strictly the case. Alignment and class are two different things. And, as later publications make clear, paladins needn't be LG (although those that were LE were called anti-paladins).

The thing that distinguished paladins from fighters was service to a deity (or to the deities). When we look at the # describing the nine alignments there is a lot of room in LG to be very nearly N or very nearly LN or very nearly NG. Paladins, like any other LG character, can be anywhere in that space.

Sturm might have been as far away from N/LN/NG as it is to go in the continuum. That does not make him a paladin.

There is indication that at least some Knights ARE paladins. It is not clear if that is because that particular part of the order consists only of paladins or if it is because some paladins become Knights. It is clear, however, that most of the Knights (at least the named ones) are not paladins.

Raistlin I have a picture in my mind where he is frail and using magic drains him. Maybe that is just a 30 years old memory and not very accurate. One of the sites I cited gives stats for Raistlin. I presume that is at L20. They can be gotten in DDO by starting a 32 point build with these stats: STR 10, DEX 16, CON 10, INT 12, WIS 14, CHA 15 and then putting all level increases into INT.

I think the answer to the question of how to represent these characters in DDO rests entirely on whether a person wants the table top characters, the book characters, or those that are in our memories from 30 years ago. In that situation there is no right or wrong answer.

[Hydian]

Handler doesn't exist in DDO and rogue is what thief became

That's ok. "Handler" didn't exist in 1st edition either. It is just what kender called themselves because "Thief" was insulting. Tass was a 5th level Thief at the beginning of the story. But no, you don't need to change any of them at all. Everything that they were easily translates directly into 3.0/3.5 and thus into DDO. The only one that really deviates is Raistlin in the later years with his ability to see through time.

Raistlin I have a picture in my mind where he is frail and using magic drains him. Maybe that is just a 30 years old memory and not very accurate.

Raistlin's frailty was a side effect of his pact with Fistandantilus during his test in the Tower of High Sorcery.


I should not remember these things...it's been 30 years since I read the books.

[Marshal_Lannes]

If DDO had a Cavalier Class I'd put Sturm in that but DDO does not have a Cavalier Class.
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No, no no. Sturm was against everything that 2nd Edition AD&D Cavaliers stood for.

Laurana was the only Paladin in the whole series. Everyone else was morally compromised. It was only the Golden General who fulfilled the requirements of being a Paladin.

[azrael4h]

As for Goldmoon - She BECAME a Worshipper of Mishakal AFTER being CHOSEN BY MISHAKAL!
This to me makes her a FavSoul because Clerics make the Choice themselves rather than having it thrust upon them.
You could of course argue for a Cleric/Soul multiclass with 2 Soul levels and Exalted Angel as main Destiny but no way is Goldmoon Pure Cleric.

Actually, she wasn't granted any powers. Before she found the Disks and became a Cleric, the only clerical powers she had were directly from the blue crystal staff. I would consider that an artifact with several recharging spell clickies on it, including Heal and Restoration. But she did not actually display any spell casting ability on her own until after getting the Disks. It was all from the staff. Anyone in the party, except for Raistlin (the staff burned him given his alignment) could have used the staff to heal.

So no, she was not a Favored Soul, or any other caster class. It was only after they retrieved the Disks that she became a Cleric.

[CThruTheEgo]

Oh....Raistlin does get more powerful later on {he's at least lvl 9 when he goes to take the Wizard's test} but then again so do the rest.

Raistlin starts out the War of the Lance at Lvl 5 and is lvl 8 or 9 by the end of it, He's lvl 9-12 when he takes the Wizard tests and soon outstrips even the mightiest Wizards on Krynn afterwards.

This is incorrect. Raistlin took the Test of High Sorcery before the first book of the series, Dragons of Autumn Twilight. When he is first described (p. 17), he has golden skin, hourglass eyes, and the Staff of Magius, all of which he acquired as a result of the Test. This was extremely early for a wizard to take the test and, if I remember correctly, Raistlin was the youngest and most inexperienced (i.e. lowest level) to ever take the test. Par-Salian, head of the Conclave at the time, had some sort of foreknowledge (I don't think it was ever specified exactly what he knew) of the War of the Lance and chose Raistlin to take the Test early because he knew he had some important role to play in the War of the Lance. Although they have been told elsewhere, The Soulforge is the accepted account of the events of Raistlin's Test because it is stated to be the version of the events as chronicled by Astinus of Palanthus, and I believe it is in that book that Par-Salian's motivations are discussed.

As far as the class/es and stats of each character, they are all provided in the Dragonlance box set as follows.

Sturm - fighter 4, str 17, dex 12, con 16, int 14, wis 1, cha 12
Caramon - fighter 4, str 18(63), dex 11, con 17, int 12, wis 11, cha 15
Raistlin - wizard 3, str 10, dex 16, con 10, int 17, wis 14, cha 10
Goldmoon - priest 5, str 12, dex 14, con 12, int 12, wis 16, cha 17
Riverwind - ranger 5, str 18(35), dex 16, con 13, int 13, wis 14, cha 13
Laurana - fighter 4, str 13, dex 17, con 14, int 15, wis 12, cha 16
Kitiara - fighter 7, str 14, dex 18, con 14, int 13, wis 7, cha 14
Tanis - fighter 4, str 16, dex 16, con 12, int 12, wis 13, cha 15
Flint - fighter 4, str 16, dex 10, con 18, int 7, wis 12, cha 13
Tasslehoff - handler 3, str 13, dex 16, con 14, int 9, wis 12, cha 11

I didn't bother to check the time period to which these stats refer, but I would assume it is at the beginning of Dragons of Autumn Twilight. This is the character info as provided with the box set, which would be the basis for a PnP campaign. How these characters might transfer over into DDO is another matter and one which is open to a great deal of interpretation.

[FranOhmsford]

This is incorrect. Raistlin took the Test of High Sorcery before the first book of the series, Dragons of Autumn Twilight. When he is first described (p. 17), he has golden skin, hourglass eyes, and the Staff of Magius, all of which he acquired as a result of the Test. This was extremely early for a wizard to take the test and, if I remember correctly, Raistlin was the youngest and most inexperienced (i.e. lowest level) to ever take the test. Par-Salian, head of the Conclave at the time, had some sort of foreknowledge (I don't think it was ever specified exactly what he knew) of the War of the Lance and chose Raistlin to take the Test early because he knew he had some important role to play in the War of the Lance. Although they have been told elsewhere, The Soulforge is the accepted account of the events of Raistlin's Test because it is stated to be the version of the events as chronicled by Astinus of Palanthus, and I believe it is in that book that Par-Salian's motivations are discussed.

I've read those Books and Raistlin is significantly stronger in them than he is in the original series.

The Brothers Majere was written 5/6 years after Dragons of Autumn Twilight so in a sense it's a retcon that Raistlin was more powerful prior to taking the test and the test weakened him afterwards - Maybe he took multiple Neg Levels which he then had to gain back.

This would also mean that Caramon who never left Raistlin's side if at all possible must have been close to Raistlin's level and as he didn't take the test and wouldn't have taken neg levels at the same time as Raistlin his level as a fighter should be quite a bit higher than Raistlin's level as a Wizard during Dragons of Autumn Twilight/Winter Night and Spring Dawning.

I've always felt that Raistlin took the test at around Lvl 9.

Par-Salian the most powerful mage at that time was only around Lvl 15.

So Raistlin lost 4-5 levels during the test.
This would mean Caramon should be around Lvl 8-9 during Dragons of Autumn Twilight and probably Lvl 10 or 11 by the end of Spring Dawning.

As far as the class/es and stats of each character, they are all provided in the Dragonlance box set as follows.

Sturm - fighter 4, str 17, dex 12, con 16, int 14, wis 1, cha 12
Caramon - fighter 4, str 18(63), dex 11, con 17, int 12, wis 11, cha 15
Raistlin - wizard 3, str 10, dex 16, con 10, int 17, wis 14, cha 10
Goldmoon - priest 5, str 12, dex 14, con 12, int 12, wis 16, cha 17
Riverwind - ranger 5, str 18(35), dex 16, con 13, int 13, wis 14, cha 13
Laurana - fighter 4, str 13, dex 17, con 14, int 15, wis 12, cha 16
Kitiara - fighter 7, str 14, dex 18, con 14, int 13, wis 7, cha 14
Tanis - fighter 4, str 16, dex 16, con 12, int 12, wis 13, cha 15
Flint - fighter 4, str 16, dex 10, con 18, int 7, wis 12, cha 13
Tasslehoff - handler 3, str 13, dex 16, con 14, int 9, wis 12, cha 11

Those levels and stats are for players starting those characters in-game and for me not representative of the power level/age/backstory experience of each character in the books.

I'd say that those levels were reduced to allow players to play that Group in-game together at close to the same level - Very surprised that Tass is only counted as Lvl 3 because Rogues levelled far faster than other classes in AD&D!

Also - Kitiara is an antagonist and an NPC not part of the Group - Though they did fight alongside her in backstory.

I didn't bother to check the time period to which these stats refer, but I would assume it is at the beginning of Dragons of Autumn Twilight. This is the character info as provided with the box set, which would be the basis for a PnP campaign. How these characters might transfer over into DDO is another matter and one which is open to a great deal of interpretation.

Yes time period makes a huge difference.

And translating these characters to DDO would require changes because of the sheer number of changes the game has gone through in the past 32 years!

Kitiara is a Kensai - Pure Fighter
Laurana is a Knight of the Chalice Paladin

Now for the actual Group:

Caramon is a Stalwart Fighter with a couple of Barb Levels.
Raistlin is a Pure Enchantment Specced Wizard with Evoc secondary {He's not a Gnome so Illusion Spec is out in DDO}.
Tanis is a Fighter/Ranger mix {Yes I know that the authors don't like to call him a Ranger but he has many Ranger qualities that would push him towards that mix in DDO.
Flint I'll accept that I was probably wrong with saying Barb but I've just always taken his attitude as very Barbarian like - I'll go Pure Stalwart Fighter though.
Tass is a Halfling Thrower Rogue which I don't think you can do on Pure Rogue in DDO - Possible alternative would be Halfling Acrobat.
Sturm is a Knight of the Chalice Paladin with Sacred Defender secondary - Kensai and Vanguard are completely out so Fighter in DDO just wouldn't work for him.
Goldmoon is an Angel of Vengeance - She has all the characteristics of a Favoured Soul {If the books were written now she would be a FavSoul}.
Riverwind is a Barbcher Ranger/Barb mix.
Tika is in love with and worships Caramon - She's a lower level female version of him.

Bupu simply wouldn't translate.

[Marshal_Lannes]

One other thing to consider about these characters there are always going to be two versions of them, the book version and the Dragonlance Module version. So for example, on forgottenlance.com you can see what the 'book' version of these characters was at the end of the story (or when they died). Forgottenlance uses the AD&D Magic of Krynn hardcover rules not the Dragonlance boxed set. The other version of the characters will be those that are run as PCs in the modules. So for instance if you are running DL4 Dragons of Desolation you are going to be controlling L6-8 versions of the characters. Indeed you will ultimately control what level the characters will attain or if they will die. The modules have much higher character levels than the book characters in most instances. DL4 for example is fairly early in the series (and books) and ends with the battle with Verminard. In here the characters are already levels 6-8 but that is nearing the max level for many of the book characters even though there are many modules to still play through.

[Baktiotha]

Sturm - fighter 4, str 17, dex 12, con 16, int 14, wis 1, cha 12
Caramon - fighter 4, str 18(63), dex 11, con 17, int 12, wis 11, cha 15
Raistlin - wizard 3, str 10, dex 16, con 10, int 17, wis 14, cha 10
Goldmoon - priest 5, str 12, dex 14, con 12, int 12, wis 16, cha 17
Riverwind - ranger 5, str 18(35), dex 16, con 13, int 13, wis 14, cha 13
Laurana - fighter 4, str 13, dex 17, con 14, int 15, wis 12, cha 16
Kitiara - fighter 7, str 14, dex 18, con 14, int 13, wis 7, cha 14
Tanis - fighter 4, str 16, dex 16, con 12, int 12, wis 13, cha 15
Flint - fighter 4, str 16, dex 10, con 18, int 7, wis 12, cha 13
Tasslehoff - handler 3, str 13, dex 16, con 14, int 9, wis 12, cha 11

Ignoring posters who want to twist the characters to fit their interpretations, this is a good insight into how the original characters were seen.

I suspect that the stats come fairly close to matching those in the original table-top game -- although that is just speculation on my part.

I will note that Raistlin's stats can progress from those given to the ones I noted previously simply by putting level increases into CHA. At L3 he would not yet have earned a stat increase in DDO. By using a 34 point build you can have those listed for Raistlin with a single build point left over. That is a fairly good convergence given the years between then and now.

[Marshal_Lannes]

I suspect that the stats come fairly close to matching those in the original table-top game -- although that is just speculation on my part.

Since those stats come directly from forgottenlance.com that is a correct assumption. However, the classes are not correct, for example Sturm is not a fighter, he is a Knight of Solmnia.

[Chai]

In video game terms Lord Soth would be a named death knight, and not some bought-it-at-the-mall trash mob death knight. Just like there are regular vanilla liches, and then theres the black abbot, Lord Soth would be the black abbot of death knights in an MMO setting.

[Baktiotha]

Since those stats come directly from forgottenlance.com that is a correct assumption. However, the classes are not correct, for example Sturm is not a fighter, he is a Knight of Solmnia.

Well, Knight of Solamnia isn't actually a character class. It is a title/occupation. The character class would still be either fighter or paladin (or ranger). It is sort of like Tasslehoff being a Handler. Handler isn't a character class, it is just a Kender euphemism for thief.

Publications that are Dragonlance centric will identify and define both and use them as a character class. But in D&D, particularly the table top game and rules in use when the story line developed, probably featured the player characters as a fighter and a thief.

I found *priest* for Goldmoon interesting. I'd forgotten that term. Not sure why it was used rather than *cleric* since cleric is the only name that has been in D&D from the beginning.

[Braegan]

This is incorrect. Raistlin took the Test of High Sorcery before the first book of the series, Dragons of Autumn Twilight. When he is first described (p. 17), he has golden skin, hourglass eyes, and the Staff of Magius, all of which he acquired as a result of the Test. This was extremely early for a wizard to take the test and, if I remember correctly, Raistlin was the youngest and most inexperienced (i.e. lowest level) to ever take the test. Par-Salian, head of the Conclave at the time, had some sort of foreknowledge (I don't think it was ever specified exactly what he knew) of the War of the Lance and chose Raistlin to take the Test early because he knew he had some important role to play in the War of the Lance. Although they have been told elsewhere, The Soulforge is the accepted account of the events of Raistlin's Test because it is stated to be the version of the events as chronicled by Astinus of Palanthus, and I believe it is in that book that Par-Salian's motivations are discussed.

As far as the class/es and stats of each character, they are all provided in the Dragonlance box set as follows.

Sturm - fighter 4, str 17, dex 12, con 16, int 14, wis 1, cha 12
Caramon - fighter 4, str 18(63), dex 11, con 17, int 12, wis 11, cha 15
Raistlin - wizard 3, str 10, dex 16, con 10, int 17, wis 14, cha 10
Goldmoon - priest 5, str 12, dex 14, con 12, int 12, wis 16, cha 17
Riverwind - ranger 5, str 18(35), dex 16, con 13, int 13, wis 14, cha 13
Laurana - fighter 4, str 13, dex 17, con 14, int 15, wis 12, cha 16
Kitiara - fighter 7, str 14, dex 18, con 14, int 13, wis 7, cha 14
Tanis - fighter 4, str 16, dex 16, con 12, int 12, wis 13, cha 15
Flint - fighter 4, str 16, dex 10, con 18, int 7, wis 12, cha 13
Tasslehoff - handler 3, str 13, dex 16, con 14, int 9, wis 12, cha 11

I didn't bother to check the time period to which these stats refer, but I would assume it is at the beginning of Dragons of Autumn Twilight. This is the character info as provided with the box set, which would be the basis for a PnP campaign. How these characters might transfer over into DDO is another matter and one which is open to a great deal of interpretation.

CThru is correct.

Raistlin took the Test when he was level 3 prior to the trilogy. If I remember my Dragonlance lore a wizard had to take the test and declare what Robes they would wear between levels 3-5. Level 4 I believe was the level that crossed that line. As in High Wizards didn't mind a dabbler in the arts but once you became close to practicing spells above minor ones they took notice and wanted you to decide and take the test.

Those classes and starts are what I remember from the box edition as well. That was what they were at the beginning of the War of the Lance, i.e. when they all met back up at Solace.

The hardcover book 1st ED had their stats during the Twins Trilogy which placed most of them at level 14, Raistlin at 20.

Since those stats come directly from forgottenlance.com that is a correct assumption. However, the classes are not correct, for example Sturm is not a fighter, he is a Knight of Solmnia.

Sturm lived the life but I am nearly positive he was never sworn into the Knighthood before he died. He was a fighter that aspired to be a Knight and lived the life of one, save his one little escapade with Kit resulting in their son Steel.

[CThruTheEgo]

I've read those Books and Raistlin is significantly stronger in them than he is in the original series.

The Brothers Majere was written 5/6 years after Dragons of Autumn Twilight so in a sense it's a retcon that Raistlin was more powerful prior to taking the test and the test weakened him afterwards - Maybe he took multiple Neg Levels which he then had to gain back.

This would also mean that Caramon who never left Raistlin's side if at all possible must have been close to Raistlin's level and as he didn't take the test and wouldn't have taken neg levels at the same time as Raistlin his level as a fighter should be quite a bit higher than Raistlin's level as a Wizard during Dragons of Autumn Twilight/Winter Night and Spring Dawning.

I've always felt that Raistlin took the test at around Lvl 9.

Par-Salian the most powerful mage at that time was only around Lvl 15.

So Raistlin lost 4-5 levels during the test.
This would mean Caramon should be around Lvl 8-9 during Dragons of Autumn Twilight and probably Lvl 10 or 11 by the end of Spring Dawning.

Regardless of your own perception and personal interpretation, that simply doesn't fit the lore of Krynn. Braegan is correct. Wizards above a very low level were required to take the Test or be hunted down as renegade wizards. A level 9 wizard would have been required to take the Test long ago. It was also specifically mentioned how young and inexperienced Raistlin was when he took the Test, with some wizards even questioning Par-Salian's decision of allowing him to take the Test. There is no way Raistlin was level 9 when he took the Test.

Those levels and stats are for players starting those characters in-game and for me not representative of the power level/age/backstory experience of each character in the books.

I'd say that those levels were reduced to allow players to play that Group in-game together at close to the same level

And yet, they are all pretty close to the starting levels you guessed at in post #4.

Sturm lived the life but I am nearly positive he was never sworn into the Knighthood before he died. He was a fighter that aspired to be a Knight and lived the life of one, save his one little escapade with Kit resulting in their son Steel.

This is mostly correct. Sturm became a Knight shortly before he was killed, but he walked the walk and talked the talk throughout the first two books as well as the prequels. And I think you're correct, the only time we ever see him err from this path, is that one time with Kitiara.

He wore his father's armor and the mustache of a Knight, both of which physically identified him as one. He also followed the Oath and the Measure moreso than many of the actual Knights of Solamnia. He willingly bound himself to their code of honor and conduct regardless of his actual status as a Knight. The Knights had fallen into disrepute with the people of Krynn because they could not prevent the Cataclysm. By the time of the War of the Lance, even the Knights didn't take themselves seriously. It was Sturm's example and sacrifice that helped restore them to their former glory.

[caberonia]

Well, Knight of Solamnia isn't actually a character class. It is a title/occupation. The character class would still be either fighter or paladin (or ranger). It is sort of like Tasslehoff being a Handler. Handler isn't a character class, it is just a Kender euphemism for thief.

Publications that are Dragonlance centric will identify and define both and use them as a character class. But in D&D, particularly the table top game and rules in use when the story line developed, probably featured the player characters as a fighter and a thief.

I found *priest* for Goldmoon interesting. I'd forgotten that term. Not sure why it was used rather than *cleric* since cleric is the only name that has been in D&D from the beginning.

Too lazy to dig out the Source material but Solamnic Knight was a class specific to the Krynn setting. With knights of the rose gaining many abilities similar to those of a paladin. That being said Sturm died before he ever became a full fledge knight.

@OP Soth ignoring the ravenloft crossover was a special sort of Death knight, Created by the gods themselves because he is the only one who could have prevented the cataclysm but chose not to, abandoning his quest after hearing of his wifes infidelity. IIRC that is.. been years since i dug out all the books, I've read almost every book in the Dragonlance series 2 or 3 times.. some far more. And used ALOT of the lore as part of my own campaign back in the 90s hence i have many of the 2nd edition Dragon lance reference material. (Fistalis my main... was an amalgum of raistlin and Fistandantalis in my campiagn.. with a bit of chronomancers handbook thrown in for good measure lol)