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    Default Legendary Tank

    I think it's about time to share my new tank build with the DDO community, as few people did ask for it.


    If you enjoy tanking, give it a try, you won't be disappointed. I promise.


    Forgive my english, I am not a native speaker.


    The story behind the build:


    Originally I thought at this build once Legendary raid came out. I was short on alt to farm raid and I had to create a first life that was able to handle at least legendary hard difficulty.
    It started as a test/joke build, but level after level I saw increasing potential.
    At 30 the build was so good for a first life that I thougt...what is going to happen if I use this build on my main!
    I wasn't sure about it, since I never played a tank in ddo, but I was really bored by common build so my main toon turned into a tank for the first time in 10 years!


    Disclaimer:


    This build will work great even on a first life toon with 0 tome, tested it myself, but you will need a decent equip.
    That said, I am playing it on my main that is almost triple everything and got all +7 stat tome, all +4 skill tome and a bunch of +5 skill tome, with almost all the relevant gear in game, so if you don't have all that stuff I am telling you that you're going to see lower number compared to what I'm about to write, keep that in mind.


    What this build is capable of:


    - Tank anything in the game, including Sor'jek on Legendary elite (done) or Xy'zzy + 3 puppy (elite), with no supporting heal (done).
    - Holding aggro against any intelligent mob. Intimidate 140+.
    - Grab aggro till red alert and survive. Only few quest you can't do it is Legendary elite raid, you won't survive it, but you can handle 6-7 mob at time, as I did last TS.
    - Increased party dps especially on bosses, orange named. While holding aggro, other party member don't have to worry about incoming damage much, as well any sneack attack will trigger (be aware, most people do not think about that, all they think is that you are a useless bag of hp doing 0 dps, basically a wasted party slot).
    - Best self healing you ever get on a tank type. I challenge anyone to find a better self-healing tank.
    - Passive party healing with Cleric aura. Normal tick (on myself) 500+, critical 1200+.
    - 335 Healing amplification
    - Devotion spell power 803 without any buff/potion etc.
    - Fortitude save over 100 with no fail on 1.
    - Will and Reflex in the high 70.
    - Raid healing capability.
    - 3,1k + hp without buff.
    - 222 AC
    - 241 prr
    - 118 mrr (this could be even better, just too lazy to grind 3 gnome pl and 1 warlock pl)
    - Extraordinary high energy damage absorption
    - Super Cheap self heal, 1 sec cooldown with "Close Wounds" and "Renewal".


    What this build can't do or not good at:


    - Forget solo. This build can only be played in party/raid. (that was my target at least when I came up with this build)
    - You won't be able to kill a single thing, even a stupid bat. DPS <= 0.
    - Low SP pool, but usually I never run out as I don't really need to heal anyone other then myself. I use group healing just while doing elite raid, but if people around you got a decent healing amplification, you won't need to heal that much.
    - You're not immortal I finally managed to die after 2 month I play this build when in search and recscue I got red alert paralyzed by a drow venom while my harper pin on cooldown. That's when I realized that I wasn't highlander!
    - Jump, just don't do it unless you got a clicky or spell (lol)


    Legendary Tank


    15 Cleric / 4 Paladin/ 1 Fighter, PDK (preferred) or Human.


    1 level of fighter is essential to me since I got 1 more feat and free access to tower shield, basically 2 feats.

    List of images: http://imgur.com/a/M2Q5L


    Starting stat:

    - Max constitution (well it's a tank, need to explain? )
    - Max charisma (intimidate, save, turn undead for Positive Energy Burst & Positive Energy Aura)


    Feat (not in order):


    - Fount of life
    - Epic skill focus intimidate
    - Epic damage reduction
    - Epic fortitude
    - Epic thougness
    - Empower healing
    - Extra turning (can swap for maximize or enlarge or whatver you like)
    - Shield mastery
    - Improved shield mastery
    - Quicken spell
    - Scion of celestia
    - Skill focus intimidate
    - Thoughness x2
    - Barb PL
    - Fighter PL
    - Coin lord 400 favor
    - Completionist


    Epic destiny: Unyielding Sentinel


    Twist:


    - Empyrean Magic (does charge with aura) T3
    - Purity of essence T3
    - Draconic presence T1
    - Endless Turning T1
    - Healing power T1




    Equip:


    (not yet the best, still looking for some lootgen and more GS once I got another Immortal heart and get 5 piece set bonus)


    Shield: Terminus
    Weapon: LGS Positive Spell Power (+150 Enhancement)
    Positive Healing Amplification (+50 Equipment)
    Positive Healing Amplification (+70 Competence)
    Legendary Affirmation
    Belt: LGS Unconsciousness Range (+128 Enhancement); Positive Healing per 10s (+16 Enhancement)
    Unconscious Range (+64 Insight); Positive Healing per 10s (+8 Insight)
    Unconscious Range (+32 Quality); Positive Healing per 10s (+4 Quality)
    Cloak: LGS Fortitude Save vs Disease (+4 Insight); Blindness Immunity
    Fortitude Save vs Poison (+4 Insight); Fear Immunity
    Deathblock; Negative Resistance (+25 Enhancement)
    Set bonus: Opposition +18% HP
    Goggles: LGS Maximum Spell Points (+151 Profane)
    Charisma skills (+22 Competence)
    UMD (+6 Competence)
    Maximum Spell Points (+151 Insight)
    Charisma skills (+11 Insight)
    UMD (+3 Insight)
    Maximum Spell Points (+75 Quality)
    Charisma Skills (+6 Quality)
    UMD (+1 Quality)
    Gloves: Lootgen heal +18, insightful devotion +61
    Boots: Legendary boots of devil commander
    Bracers: Mysterious bracers
    Helm: Epic halyconia
    Necklace: Epic lions mane
    Trinket: Epic litany
    Ring 1: Circle of malevolence
    Ring 2: Lootgen +14 constitution
    Armor: Platemail of the celestial sage

    Video:

    - Legendary Elite Tempest spine tanking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01zsCCvvS8U
    - Positive aura: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiEHvM5EfDM
    - Legendary Elite Shroud (part 3+) skip to part 5 if you want to see a bit of tanking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrKxN6rPILk (Unfortunately I started recording at end of part 2 )
    Last edited by Vanhooger; 05-30-2016 at 06:52 AM.
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    Interesting concept build - Hope you have fun playing it.

    However, might I make a small suggestion on the Weapon. You can create a Thunderforge Tier 1 weapon that will have the following:

    +9 Enhancement
    3.5W
    Medalline
    Orange Augment Slot
    150 Positive Energy

    All for 80 Ingots and 60 Commendations <- Much cheaper then the LGS weapon

    Also you have access two more tiers as you gain the scales and phlogs.

    This could help your DPS.

    Another option is going with 136 Positive Spell power augment in your Shield it does have a couple augment slots.

    Again, I like your idea. And I'm ok with the not soloing part but two places I personally disagree with:

    1. near 0 DPS <- Never a good option and possibly a sign you have sacrificed too much
    2. the idea of self only healing. A tank needs to be able to pull the party back from the Ashes. This means the ability to get the party back on its feet while holding that agro so the party can recover.

    I think you have a great start, but you might want to review to see if you can swing back a degree or two and improve your DPS profile.

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    HYPE HYPE!!

    Good job, although I already know what this beast can do
    Unfortunately I no longer play this build, because I need past life feats with my main^^
    No versatility is the main problem with multiclassed-builds and that's why I avoid them, but still this build is the best at tanking so far

    Also how come you don't use any of these items?
    http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Legenda...ed_Dragonscale (shouts tank!)
    http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Mythic_Minos_Legens
    http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Gauntlets_of_Immortality (curious to see how much u regen from Touch of Immortality)
    http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Epic_Sh...f_Tireless_Aid (Improved Demonic Shield at 20% chance, gg!)

    And where is Combat Expertise? :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enoach View Post
    Interesting concept build - Hope you have fun playing it.

    However, might I make a small suggestion on the Weapon. You can create a Thunderforge Tier 1 weapon that will have the following:

    +9 Enhancement
    3.5W
    Medalline
    Orange Augment Slot
    150 Positive Energy

    All for 80 Ingots and 60 Commendations <- Much cheaper then the LGS weapon

    Also you have access two more tiers as you gain the scales and phlogs.

    This could help your DPS.

    Another option is going with 136 Positive Spell power augment in your Shield it does have a couple augment slots.

    Again, I like your idea. And I'm ok with the not soloing part but two places I personally disagree with:

    1. near 0 DPS <- Never a good option and possibly a sign you have sacrificed too much
    2. the idea of self only healing. A tank needs to be able to pull the party back from the Ashes. This means the ability to get the party back on its feet while holding that agro so the party can recover.

    I think you have a great start, but you might want to review to see if you can swing back a degree or two and improve your DPS profile.
    Probably you may have missed few point.
    Is it true that it's 0 dps but it's personal choice. It is intended to tank legendary elite content without help from other players.
    It is a also a raid healer if needed.
    LGS spell power stack with Halyconia so it's 300 devotion. Thunderforged doesn't stack. Also healing amp for this build is crucial.

    I don't agree 0 dps is bad, I am telling you people love to play with me as a tank especially squishy toon. They don't need to worry about self healing much and I got every mob aggro so more dps, also if you have sneak attack you would love it. I am for role in ddo and I don't miss dps at all but I understand it's not a build that suits everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanhooger View Post
    Probably you may have missed few point.
    Is it true that it's 0 dps but it's personal choice. It is intended to tank legendary elite content without help from other players.
    It is a also a raid healer if needed.
    LGS spell power stack with Halyconia so it's 300 devotion. Thunderforged doesn't stack. Also healing amp for this build is crucial.

    I don't agree 0 dps is bad, I am telling you people love to play with me as a tank especially squishy toon. They don't need to worry about self healing much and I got every mob aggro so more dps, also if you have sneak attack you would love it. I am for role in ddo and I don't miss dps at all but I understand it's not a build that suits everyone.
    No, I get your goal and I missed the Halyconia so the LGS makes sense.

    I have a tank as well and I enjoy playing him a lot and he is charisma based pure paladin. And I enjoy keeping the agro off those that can't take the hit in LE, but I also enjoy soloing/shortmaning from time to time.

    Again, I really hope you enjoy your character (based on your post it seems you do)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil7 View Post
    HYPE HYPE!!

    Good job, although I already know what this beast can do
    Unfortunately I no longer play this build, because I need past life feats with my main^^
    No versatility is the main problem with multiclassed-builds and that's why I avoid them, but still this build is the best at tanking so far

    Also how come you don't use any of these items?
    http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Legenda...ed_Dragonscale (shouts tank!)
    http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Mythic_Minos_Legens
    http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Gauntlets_of_Immortality (curious to see how much u regen from Touch of Immortality)
    http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Epic_Sh...f_Tireless_Aid (Improved Demonic Shield at 20% chance, gg!)

    And where is Combat Expertise? :/

    trinket is nice but i still prefer litany. Most stuff in the trinket is in my neck.
    Epic Halyconia is absolutely best in slot imho
    gauntlet of immortality i do have them but i prefer +61 insight devotion +18 heal randomgen
    Epic shield of tierless it's an option even if only large shield but i still prefer terminus(tower shield).
    Combat expertise: Spells have three times their normal cooldown when this mode is active
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enoach View Post
    No, I get your goal and I missed the Halyconia so the LGS makes sense.

    I have a tank as well and I enjoy playing him a lot and he is charisma based pure paladin. And I enjoy keeping the agro off those that can't take the hit in LE, but I also enjoy soloing/shortmaning from time to time.

    Again, I really hope you enjoy your character (based on your post it seems you do)
    Yes I do, it is something differtent to play then usual dps for me. Was so bored to play common build.

    If I want to do dps I just log my alts
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    Why the positive spell power weapon with epic halcyonia? http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Halcyonia_(level_28) Maybe get a light spell power weapon and do a little caster damage. or a weapon with some nice procs on it to take advantage of your decent double strike? Or a weapon with a high fire spell power and do some more healing and dps with concecration?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetrule View Post
    Why the positive spell power weapon with epic halcyonia? http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Halcyonia_(level_28) Maybe get a light spell power weapon and do a little caster damage. or a weapon with some nice procs on it to take advantage of your decent double strike? Or a weapon with a high fire spell power and do some more healing and dps with concecration?
    Personal choice, no to deal damage but be a tank & healer at the same time, I know that nowdays tank & healer are not popular but there is still people who enjoy them

    Halyconia is the best in slot with 150 devotion & crit plus other minor stuff, it does also stack with LGS
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    Wow I had no Idea the lgs spell power stacked with standard equipment potency types! Is it a profane bonus or something? LOL I have to maybe stop ignoring LGS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetrule View Post
    Wow I had no Idea the lgs spell power stacked with standard equipment potency types! Is it a profane bonus or something? LOL I have to maybe stop ignoring LGS.
    One is equipment the other is enhancment ( or whatever I dunno how to write it lol)
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    Do you plan to make a video of this guy in action?

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    why no Legendary Pansophic Circlet instead of Halcyonia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cru121 View Post
    why no Legendary Pansophic Circlet instead of Halcyonia?
    If I equip the Pansophic circlet I lose some Devotion spell power and 20% crit. Halyconia is best for tank healer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tpbtoc View Post
    Do you plan to make a video of this guy in action?
    There is one already but a month older I may do a new one for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanhooger View Post
    There is one already but a month older I may do a new one for you.
    cool

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    Bump. Some video added to first post.
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    I will give it a try. I am considering changing it a bit for those moments when tanking not needed for more versatility.

    I'll get Dire Charge if I can get CON high enough. I have a +16 stun +6 exceptional combat mastery and Fighter PL.
    Cormyrean Knight Training to use CHA to att/dmg with long swords or B swords. Twist Consecrate and go Dreadnought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tpbtoc View Post
    I will give it a try. I am considering changing it a bit for those moments when tanking not needed for more versatility.

    I'll get Dire Charge if I can get CON high enough. I have a +16 stun +6 exceptional combat mastery and Fighter PL.
    Cormyrean Knight Training to use CHA to att/dmg with long swords or B swords. Twist Consecrate and go Dreadnought.
    Sure, you can adapt it in any way that suits you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tpbtoc View Post
    I'll get Dire Charge if I can get CON high enough. I have a +16 stun +6 exceptional combat mastery and Fighter PL.
    by exceptional you propably mean Insightful combat mastery?
    And now you can raise it up to 14

    http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Legendary_Animated_Rope
    This actually gives an Insight bonus to your tactical feats, tested it myself aswell.

    On a fighter vanguard you can now get more than 150+ DC on your Dire Charge ^^

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