Sorcerer the Underling

[Vanhooger]

Sorcerers were to gain significant spellpoints advantage, which was already problematic at level cap 20, and just got worse since. You can hit 4k spell points on a Wizard, so Sorcerers get approx +25% when maxed,

But when you consider the capstone

- "While in Elemental Form, your spells also cost an additional 10% Spell Points to cast. "

Things get way out of Sync.

They are also considered the dropping the BOMB casters type, yet they are badly lacking in crit multiplier boosts, even tho they are the most deeply focused/specialized casters -> I mean cant even get the spikes for 1 single element while warlocks running with perma 30%-60% on crit boost for every element?

Warlocks pretty much eliminated every other DPS focus casters, i mean why bother with a spell points pool, why bother with immunities, low DCs, Spell Pen...just roll up a Warlock, thats the caster Devs want you to play.

Sorcs are playable, every class is, it just makes you question yourself why are you giving yourself a x5-10 harder time.

This 100 times.

Also any debuff is useless atm & not just for sorc. The time you land a debuff all mob are dead (if you run in group)

[HastyPudding]

This is the problem with all spells. There are select few spells that scale decently into epics but the majority do not. The realization that my caster was only doing well because he was in draconic with energy burst convinced me to make a warlock instead. I played a kick-ass druid and yet I only used 2 spells for damage from his spellbook. Creeping cold and greater CC. It is frankly pathetic that spells dont scale into epics. Druid is worse off in that regard then sorc are.

That's the point I've been trying to make: sorcerer really isn't all that strong, it's when you add their spellpower bonuses into the draconic destiny's spellpower bonuses and SLA's is when you get actual damage.

I'm surprised you didn't use call lightning SLA from the tree for damage on your druid, though. Combined with the legendary scion of the air feat (which also boosts earthquake DC's) I got some pretty decent damage; nothing spectacular, but I got some decent 4-6k crits with it. But I'm in agreement in that druids are worse off than sorcerers in terms of damage potential.

Sorcerers were to gain significant spellpoints advantage, which was already problematic at level cap 20, and just got worse since. You can hit 4k spell points on a Wizard, so Sorcerers get approx +25% when maxed,

But when you consider the capstone

- "While in Elemental Form, your spells also cost an additional 10% Spell Points to cast. "

Things get way out of Sync.

They are also considered the dropping the BOMB casters type, yet they are badly lacking in crit multiplier boosts, even tho they are the most deeply focused/specialized casters -> I mean cant even get the spikes for 1 single element while warlocks running with perma 30%-60% on crit boost for every element?

Warlocks pretty much eliminated every other DPS focus casters, i mean why bother with a spell points pool, why bother with immunities, low DCs, Spell Pen...just roll up a Warlock, thats the caster Devs want you to play.

Sorcs are playable, every class is, it just makes you question yourself why are you giving yourself a x5-10 harder time.

~ I don't understand why sorcerer elemental forms are so restrictive. They lock you into non-warforged races to be optimal, severely limiting your self-healing until epics. They increase your spell costs. And, while thematic, severely limits your spell options by basically making opposing elements quite useless (I've always been of a mind that the penalties almost outweigh the bonuses for sorcerers). This is a capstone and yet it feels like a tier 5 ability with the restrictions.

~ I'm in agreement on warlocks. When they were first introduced I was really excited to see one of my favorite PnP classes being added. Then I saw they were turned into some freakish DPS class with very little emphasis on debuffing, very easy to play, blatantly overpowered survivability, with cheap, stupidly easy three-button-wonder builds, and I sort of got disappointed. I love my enchanter warlock, he's more like a wizard with DPS, but I feel the damage makes it feel like what a sorcerer should be doing, not a warlock.

~ The Sorcerer trees don't really need a full enhancement revamp, but they do need to be updated to the game's current mechanics, complete with additional caster levels, better tier 5 abilities, and spell critical damage bonuses. This isn't some evocation wizard, it's a sorcerer, which USED to be the premier magic damage class in the game until warlock showed up and took the spotlight.

[Loromir]

.....I've asked the developers to eliminate the warlock class. .....

So your gonna quit because they didn't bow to YOUR request? A lot of people like playing Warlock. Yea....they are overpowered, but you don't have the right to decide things for the entire DDO community and then get mad when they don't implement your selfish request.

If you would rather play a Sorcerer than a Warlock....go for it, but don't presume that you are so important and entitled to be heard over thousands of other DDO players.

A couple of years ago...Sorcerers were the easy button...they are still pretty strong...but no longer to of the heap. But they are hardly the bottom of the trash pile either. Take your lumps as a sorcerer like Bard and Pallys did for the first 7 + years of DDO, and like Arti's and Fighters are right now. Sorcerers will get some love eventually.

[FifthTime]

So your gonna quit because they didn't bow to YOUR request? A lot of people like playing Warlock. Yea....they are overpowered, but you don't have the right to decide things for the entire DDO community and then get mad when they don't implement your selfish request.

If you would rather play a Sorcerer than a Warlock....go for it, but don't presume that you are so important and entitled to be heard over thousands of other DDO players.

A couple of years ago...Sorcerers were the easy button...they are still pretty strong...but no longer to of the heap. But they are hardly the bottom of the trash pile either. Take your lumps as a sorcerer like Bard and Pallys did for the first 7 + years of DDO, and like Arti's and Fighters are right now. Sorcerers will get some love eventually.

You think Sorcerers are "pretty strong"?

Do you mean pretty strong in level 6 Marketplace Quests? Or do you mean level 16 Gianthold quests? Because if you actually mean in high level to end game quests, well, then you are obviously uninformed or simply making things up.

The fact that you are on the PC also reinforces my belief that the Devs of this game are receiving terrible advice which has led to their inability to create any sort of balance.

[bartharok]

You think Sorcerers are "pretty strong"?

Do you mean pretty strong in level 6 Marketplace Quests? Or do you mean level 16 Gianthold quests? Because if you actually mean in high level to end game quests, well, then you are obviously uninformed or simply making things up.

The fact that you are on the PC also reinforces my belief that the Devs of this game are receiving terrible advice which has led to their inability to create any sort of balance.

Sorcs are quite decent. Though you have to play them according to what they can do. If you dont they are quite awful.

Are trying to go for a record, by the way?

[Wizza]

Sorcs are quite decent. Though you have to play them according to what they can do. If you dont they are quite awful.

Are trying to go for a record, by the way?

Sorcs are, at most, "not that bad". They are not Artificers' levels yet, at least.

[FifthTime]

Sorcs are quite decent. Though you have to play them according to what they can do. If you dont they are quite awful.

Are trying to go for a record, by the way?

Since you didn't answer my question, I can assume you mean low to mid level quests.

It's nice that you spend all your time playing under 20 content, but for those that play higher level content Sorcerers are basically useless pikers.

But then, taking caster advice from someone who would prefer to see melee classes remain OP is a little silly.

[Loromir]

You think Sorcerers are "pretty strong"?

Do you mean pretty strong in level 6 Marketplace Quests? Or do you mean level 16 Gianthold quests? Because if you actually mean in high level to end game quests, well, then you are obviously uninformed or simply making things up.

The fact that you are on the PC also reinforces my belief that the Devs of this game are receiving terrible advice which has led to their inability to create any sort of balance.

I guess some people are better at playing sorcs than others. I manage just fine.

[Loromir]

Since you didn't answer my question, I can assume you mean low to mid level quests.

It's nice that you spend all your time playing under 20 content, but for those that play higher level content Sorcerers are basically useless pikers.

But then, taking caster advice from someone who would prefer to see melee classes remain OP is a little silly.

I guess since we have the same avatar....you are confusing barthrok with me. Just goes to show...reading is hard for some.

[FifthTime]

I guess since we have the same avatar....you are confusing barthrok with me. Just goes to show...reading is hard for some.

I assumed since you both say the same thing that one is just a sock of the other.

[Loromir]

I assumed since you both say the same thing that one is just a sock of the other.

Nope....we both just happen to be somewhat more enlightened than the avg joe.

[FifthTime]

Nope....we both just happen to be somewhat more enlightened than the avg joe.

Post count is about the least accurate measure of enlightenment.

The fact you think Sorcerers are pretty decent is a much better indicator.

[bartharok]

Post count is about the least accurate measure of enlightenment.

The fact you think Sorcerers are pretty decent is a much better indicator.

Methinks you confuse negativity and inability to adapt for enlightenment.

[Wizza]

Methinks you confuse negativity and inability to adapt for enlightenment.

You just said in the other thread you TR pretty often. What are you adapting to exactly?

What's your toons name on Argonessen?

[Loromir]

Post count is about the least accurate measure of enlightenment.

The fact you think Sorcerers are pretty decent is a much better indicator.

Like I said...some people make better sorcerers that others.

[FifthTime]

Methinks you confuse negativity and inability to adapt for enlightenment.

By "adapt" do you mean "stand back and watch the melee classes play"?

Or are you still talking about under 20 content?

[bartharok]

You just said in the other thread you TR pretty often. What are you adapting to exactly?

What's your toons name on Argonessen?

I adapt to whatever toon im playing. Including whatever is bugged with it, when something is. If i played them all the same way, all but one of them would probably be awful.

And i have 36 toons on argo, so telling you their names would be pointless, since i swap between them several times a week. Thats another way of adapting, i can play whatever suits my mood at the moment.

[bartharok]

By "adapt" do you mean "stand back and watch the melee classes play"?

Or are you still talking about under 20 content?

When i play with my sorc in a group that doesnt need me to blast everything, since they have enough dps as it is, i soften mobs up and generally help out with whatever is needed. I have no ego vested in my playing.

[FifthTime]

Like I said...some people make better sorcerers that others.

Just because you think your crappy car is faster then a Ferrari because you are better at driving it then everyone else doesn't make it true.

[Wizza]

I adapt to whatever toon im playing. Including whatever is bugged with it, when something is. If i played them all the same way, all but one of them would probably be awful.

And i have 36 toons on argo, so telling you their names would be pointless, since i swap between them several times a week. Thats another way of adapting, i can play whatever suits my mood at the moment.

So you haven't answered. But okay.

I have time to read 36 names. Go ahead. Or just go on with your Sorcerer/s or the ones you use for the Epic quests.