Ban Hurl through hell and Song of Capering

[Erofen]

Oh fun! Now just tell me where to go and play Capture the flag and Ill retract my PVP statement.

Oh it's not accessible? I see.

Did they do something to the npc outside every brawling pit that allows you to create a CtF match?

[Memnir]

Did they do something to the npc outside every brawling pit that allows you to create a CtF match?

Nope. Same guy, Jackson Laws, is the CtF/Deathmatch Arena PvP guy in every tavern - he just gets ignored by everyone, players & Devs alike. In every tavern he looks the same, has the same icon, is located right by each tavern's traditional pit, but not even PvP aficionados know or care why he's there...


Lobster:


Phoenix Tavern:


House D:


House J:



Logged in just to answer the question of "Did something happen". Made sure to talk to Jackson and ensure his functionality.
I'd like to nominate Jackson Laws for Loneliest NPC Award... not even his own "people" know he's there, or want to talk to him. Poor guy. Hell, I'd pay money to see the stats on how many times total he's been used since he was put in the game years and years ago.


...edit.
Wanna give Arena PvP a try?

You cannot launch them solo, you need to form a group and talk to Sad Mr. Laws. Since I haven't gone into an arena since roughly early 2010, and even then it was just to prove they really exist, I've since forgotten the specifics after that. I think you can pick or be assigned teams or have them randomly drawn... or it might just be random.


On the overarching thread topic - I still have to disagree with Derfy. Instead of banning anything, I think they should allow everything. Even spells or any abilities that have been traditionally disallowed. If it's going to be a chaotic free-for-all, then let it truly be a chaotic free-for-all.
Stealth should work, all spells including Charms, all Destiny abilities. Either revel in the full blown anarchy of it all, or don't bother. In order to facilitate this, all PvP pit doors should lead to their own separately instanced zones to allow for such freedom. Don't change the way the pits work (besides newly allowing everything) or their layouts, just give em a door and a load-screen.

[Memnir]

[Textuality]

80 CHA means I got a 70 DC. 71 with Ascendance. If you weren't failing the save you wouldn't have started this thread. As for Song of Capering, you guys had been happy using it until we had a friend roll up an iconic with it to stop y'alls Adrenaline Overload rangers. Don't call names btw.

[Derfy]

Nope. Same guy, Jackson Laws, is the CtF/Deathmatch Arena PvP guy in every tavern - he just gets ignored by everyone, players & Devs alike. In every tavern he looks the same, has the same icon, is located right by each tavern's traditional pit, but not even PvP aficionados know or care why he's there...


Lobster:


Phoenix Tavern:


House D:


House J:



Logged in just to answer the question of "Did something happen". Made sure to talk to Jackson and ensure his functionality.
I'd like to nominate Jackson Laws for Loneliest NPC Award... not even his own "people" know he's there, or want to talk to him. Poor guy. Hell, I'd pay money to see the stats on how many times total he's been used since he was put in the game years and years ago.


...edit.
Wanna give Arena PvP a try?

You cannot launch them solo, you need to form a group and talk to Sad Mr. Laws. Since I haven't gone into an arena since roughly early 2010, and even then it was just to prove they really exist, I've since forgotten the specifics after that. I think you can pick or be assigned teams or have them randomly drawn... or it might just be random.


On the overarching thread topic - I still have to disagree with Derfy. Instead of banning anything, I think they should allow everything. Even spells or any abilities that have been traditionally disallowed. If it's going to be a chaotic free-for-all, then let it truly be a chaotic free-for-all.
Stealth should work, all spells including Charms, all Destiny abilities. Either revel in the full blown anarchy of it all, or don't bother. In order to facilitate this, all PvP pit doors should lead to their own separately instanced zones to allow for such freedom. Don't change the way the pits work (besides newly allowing everything) or their layouts, just give em a door and a load-screen.

If you talk to him and even get into a match. It drains your pots like I said ealier in the comments.

[madmaxhunter]

My 2 c.p. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but banning spells in "PVP areas only" would also ban them in event areas, i.e. Delera's. That goes way beyond a PVP only ban.

[Hobgoblin]

NoRB doesnt use foul language on DDO. And we dont die by people. I can save hurl and banning it wont 100% help me out but it will help out others. I never remembered you killing us either lol. You stopped pvp'ing when people started capping. You are trying to make it look like I have been on the forums for years trying to ban everything that could ''kill me''. Hurl should be banned from pvp because it is unfair to others and my guildie is a bard. I still think that caper should still be banned from pvp.

this was the wrong person quoted here.

[Textuality]

Yoda doesn't talk like that.

[Hobgoblin]

Yoda doesn't talk like that.

do you even star wars bro?

(translation: its taken almost directly from empire strikes back. the actual quote iirc - that is why you fail.)

[Textuality]

Oh guess you're right. You'd think he'd say "why you fail that is" or some ****.

[Wizza]

Hurl is a totally fair and legit ability that should not be banned. Just because you are getting owned by it, you have no rights to call for a nerf for selfish reasons.

On the other hand, I love owning people with Hurl in tavern and then hear them complain so much in tells. Fun times.

[Rys]

Like no joke, I have been followed to every tavern by warlocks and all they do is spam hurl. This game is just coming out with things that is so cheap for pvp and just ruins it. Then when you try to fight someone, some level 15 iconic who clearly made the character to stun in pvp jumps down and uses disable construct, then before you can get out of it, they song of capering you and keep you stunned. Song of capering is just making people make level 15's and not playing the game. Hurl just makes a lot of people go warlock and never spend a drop of money on the game because they got what they want and spam hurl. But if hurl was banned, people would spend money to go different things and the same goes for caper. If you ban caper, then the people who just make level 15's and not spend any money or what so ever, will stop doing this and actually spend money to level a build they actually care for.

There is absolutely no reason to ban the abilities that can be either saved or absorbed.

I understand that the shield blocks that. But when you are in the middle of a fight and a bard comes out of nowhere and interrupts it, and starts using song of capering and wont take you out of it, and if you don't own the hall of heroes transport or you aren't iconic, then you cant leave. If you log, the bard knows you are going to log back in and the bard will continue. And if you are a monk fist build, a shield would uncenter you and you cant fight with your fist

PVP is free for all so it should be expected that players come out of nowhere. If you don’t want to be interrupted, there is always the possibility to use the private instances. Or you can, you know, adapt just like you have to adapt in the PVE content.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Maybe not everyone feels the same way you do. A lot of people may not like PvP but some do. People may also not like it because of caper and hurl

That is just an assumption. Some people may also like it because they can use Song of Capering and Hurl.

Actually not 100%. Because if people farm favor and then pay for 750 Turbine Points, to get the rest of there turbine points to get warlock.The game isn't making that much money for that. But if a lot of the pvp'ers couldn't use hurl, then they would TR out of warlock, spend more money, and instead of staying 1 life, they will do more lives and if they are too lazy to level like some people, then they spend money to buy otto's Boxes and that cost a little bit more than warlock.

Unless you have the data to back up your claim, this argument is invalid.

I'm not saying they need to spend 100% of their time for pvp. Im saying they just could ban the 2 most common spams and then do something else with the game.

Magic missile seems to be the most common spam to me. Can we ban that?

Not much people care about pvp because of these things. If they remove the 2 most common spams, then more people would be interested in going to pvp. People who quest all day want to take a break from questing and go to pvp to fight there friends and all and just fight people. But if they go to pvp, then they just get spammed out of nowhere from a bard or and warlock camps at the bottom corner and just spams hurl. People who are like 20 barbarians cant really even go to pvp because there will saves isn't high enough to save hurl. Someone people cant use the shield because of there build so they cant pvp because the bard. A 20 monk fist build wouldnt be able to pvp because the shield would tremendously ruin his or her damage, uncenter the monk, and then its useless. So maybe if DDO removes these things, pvp would be better.

Saying barb can’t PVP because he has low saves is a nonsense. Saying monk can’t use the shield for a few seconds is a nonsense as well. Twitch skills and a couple of tactics will easily deal with it.

Im not saying to ban song of capering and hurl completely. Im saying ban it from pvp. Song of Capering was banned from pvp for a little bit and then was brought back. Banning hurl and caper in pvp would do no harm to the builds in quest. There are several things you cant use in a brawling area and it doesnt affect the quest. You cant use globe of invulnerability in pvp, but that doesnt affect the spell in quest.

It affects the events like Cove or Mabar. That’s enough.

But what if you get them people who want to pvp for a couple of hours and they got 8 hours on xp pots because they drunk 2 of them? You have to wait 8 hours of quest time to go pvp? I agree with they need to work on bugs and new content. But it wouldnt hurt to fix pvp a little. A lot of the old players who loved pvp and played the game for pvp, quit because of it not being fine. And the devs want to satisfy all people, spending a little time to fix pvp would satisfy people. And not trying to be funny or anything, every time the game fixes 1 bug, then 3 bugs occur.

Then you should have asked for pausing the store potions in the arenas and not for banning two random abilities.

The cooldown is 25 seconds, and if they hit a player with hurl, it takes a little more than 25 seconds to go to the top, heal up and buff yourself. So you can spam hurl. And if there is more a few warlocks helping each other, they can spam the arena and prevent people from fighting.

It is a savable spell. I see no problem.

Banning the two most common spams would make pvp better.

Assumption.

I will say it again. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If you dont like pvp, who cares? You not liking pvp doesnt make the ones who do like it dislike it. First off, spell block doesnt block hurl or caper. A pvp'er would know that. My alt I pvp on now have high enough to save it but its unfair for people who want to go a barbarian or something. And if you read the intro paragraph to this, you should be able to comprehend that is says they follow you to different taverns. And caper will make an alt wear a shield. Like that would ruin a fist build monk and other things. If you send a ticket in about a spamming bard, it takes over an hour to get a response and 99% of the time, nothing even happens. And if you dont like pvp'ing, Good for you. Go quest or something. But the pvp'ers want to pvp. And there are times when you go to pvp to fight other people and you dont have a friend to help you. What if your friend doesnt have undead or the shield???? The friend will be danced right next to you. The reason I dont do what they do is because there is absolutely nothing fun about hiding in a corner spamming hurl or jumping down with caper and keeping someone stunned. I understand a bard will stun you and try to kill you, but those bards dont exist anymore. Now, the only bards in pvp are the ones who enjoy keeping you stunned. So at least put a little thought into something before you go tell it.

The friend can always go farm the shield. Again, absolutely no reason to ban something that can be overcome.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Some people dont think its a waste of time. I am now able to save hurl, so Im not dying by it. Its just not fair the melees like a barbarian. And I have a shield for caper. But what about a monk who wants to pvp and the monk is fist build? He cant put the shield on and fight. A barbarian cant save a high hurl DC. It makes the pvp so unfair for some classes. The thing is, its not fun to hide in a corner and spam hurl or jump down out of nowhere and spam people on a bard when they have nobody to take them out. PvP just isnt a majority thing. Doesnt mean its not part of the game though. Just like you love questing, I love pvp'ing. These things being banned from pvp would do no harm to caper or hurl in quest. It'll just make pvp better.

With this logic you could ban all the casters and the archers from PVP as well because it is unfair that the melees have to run to them first.

NoRB doesnt use foul language on DDO.

Post #65, last sentence.

[Derfy]

Hurl is a totally fair and legit ability that should not be banned. Just because you are getting owned by it, you have no rights to call for a nerf for selfish reasons.

On the other hand, I love owning people with Hurl in tavern and then hear them complain so much in tells. Fun times.

My saves are high enough to save Hurl. Why dont you come and try and ''own'' me with hurl? And honestly, its not fair at all.

[Wizza]

*edited insult out*

"Norb doesnt use foul language" at its best right here.

My saves are high enough to save Hurl. Why dont you come and try and ''own'' me with hurl? And honestly, its not fair at all.

So what's the problem? Seems like Hurl might need a buff actually. I use it all the time and its really weak in pvp.

[bls904c2]

I'm not saying they need to spend 100% of their time for pvp. Im saying they just could ban the 2 most common spams and then do something else with the game.

learn to play the game there is the ioun stones and trinkets magstar, clickies the favor reward for harper, and other items to absorb spells, there is also building your toon with better saves or get resistance items, spell resistance. take a look at the dc's hurl through hell has a dc of Will save vs. DC(10 + Warlock level + Charisma Modifier) so a lvl 15 is 10 +15 + 3~9 = 28 to 34 if your wisdom (will saves), dex (reflex saves), or con (fortitude saves) are just dump stats i wish you good luck in the game.

[Viconiax]

Don't waste your time. He won't fight you 1v1.

Also, if interested, he's a 16wiz,4pal with Throat Dagger, Shiradi (don't go fleshy b/c Nerve Venom unless you go undead or construct), he spent 6 AP into zombie form so no Disable Construct, and he uses a Jeweled Cloak and Ruin with his past life TR missiles.

If you go Construct, his friends with 3arti will Disable Construct you and follow it up with a Throat Dagger.

They also have Enlarge to throw MM and Throat Dagger from the back of the pit.

Obviously not stuff you would take for PvE but yes they do have a bard with Song of Capering AND Throat Dagger so... and TR missile feat lol

Just telling you what you'd be up against. That's why nobody fights them anymore because when you do manage to make a toon that kills any of them 1v1 they just multiteam you.

That explain why they pike my guild raid back then, all PvP feat/spell, no focus on PvE lol.

[Derfy]

That explain why they pike my guild raid back then, all PvP feat/spell, no focus on PvE lol.

We dont join raids lol. We post ours or we short man. Your lies are weak mate

[Derfy]

learn to play the game there is the ioun stones and trinkets magstar, clickies the favor reward for harper, and other items to absorb spells, there is also building your toon with better saves or get resistance items, spell resistance. take a look at the dc's hurl through hell has a dc of Will save vs. DC(10 + Warlock level + Charisma Modifier) so a lvl 15 is 10 +15 + 3~9 = 28 to 34 if your wisdom (will saves), dex (reflex saves), or con (fortitude saves) are just dump stats i wish you good luck in the game.

Maybe not everyone is a level 15 warlock. So get it right mate

[Derfy]

I didn't? And I killed everyone down there include everyone and you. Lol.

The last time we PvP, the sorc from your guild and you both ledge hop shiradi MM and got kill, "I only kill lowbie" huh? Lol. Also, I let the succubus kill off the lowbies, yes, summon does work in there, if you know how to make them work.

I never remember you killing NoRB. When I was mid level, I remembered seeing Dalomar own you. XD

[Memnir]