If you posted 20+ times in the past 12 hours? that's too much.

[Zebedar]

No need to name names as you all know who you are. Don't you realize that the deafening roar of your constant posts drown out and BURY many thoughtful and useful posts by people doing testing and playing on Lamma who normally never post in the forums? Don't you realize by now that you have posted so darn much so many times a day that by and large the Developers now just skim over or ignore all two or three dozen posts you feel compelled to make?

Wouldn't it be nice if People said their piece in just a couple concise fact heavy posts and then shut the hell up for a while and waited patiently while others could offer agreement/disagreement/alternatives? God knows it would be better than having to shift through the same **** people posting tiny little volleys back and forth dozens of friggen times on just one bloody page for some mirage of supremacy, all while stifling and drowning out the input of other contributors.

Seriously, shut the hell up. If you can't get your point across and defend your ideas in less then 20 friggen posts your are just posting to hear yourself. And if you insist on the self-gratifying post orgy behavior? Go do it on the general boards where everyone ignore everyone else already and leave the **** Lamma threads alone.



Thank you for your time.


Clarification: Just to nip this in the bud, before anyone feels the need to claim otherwise I'm not speaking of myself when it comes to being drowned out. Lucky for me I am capable of dealing with the Maelstrom of self-inflated post avalanches that some of our members seem to feel the need to unleash daily. But I am concerned when I have to bloody shift through all the conflated self-promoting garbage to find the few interesting and informative posts the real tester/players are trying to make. Like a friggen prospector panning for gold in a steam-bed of mediocre self-important spam.

[Holymunchkin]

The problem of spam goes something like this...

I post something that I don't want "spammed." Someone non-sequitur brings up some silly point. This annoys me because I wanted the purpose of the thread to be x y and z so I get my feelers felt by a dev.
Eventually I realize that it is futile to care. Then I start posting as much as I feel like it! THIS IS A FORUMS!?

Forum ddo!

I absolutely sympathize with you mate. I'm pretty sure you're calling me out directly. I think you're missing the point. I have had the past day off of work, and have spent all day logged into lamma. I posted some detailed fact heavy posts and then responded to other people in what you might call "spam." Eventually things devolve into something barely related.

If you feel like something is clearly spam report it. You have the power to do that.

....like a friggen prospector panning for gold in a steam-bed of mediocre self-important spam.[i]

gonna highlight this for anyone who didn't want to read an angry rant. good stuff


....oh and by the way....
thanks for posting this. its kinda spammy but maybe it will help lol

I think there's much less "spam" and much more discussion than you think

this is a discussion section, less than a bug report tool no?

[Grailhawk]

If you are talking to me. I would argue that a discussion about importance or race (or lack there of) in this game has some merit in the preview thread of an update adding a race. But that's just me. If it derailed a bit there at the end sorry.

[mikarddo]

/signed

Having a "conversation" of 15-20 posts back and forth with very little info in each post is childish and unproductive - and typical for a Friday when those posters know the moderators have gone home. It is no coincidence that this happens during the weekend.

As you post its only purpose is to ruin the thread for any kind of actual debate and annoy most readers. Optimally, posters would state their position / idea and let others post theirs - without the need to restate their opinion every 5 mins just because someone disagrees getting more agitited and less informative with each repetition.

To those doing it - kindly just stop. Take a deep breath and walk away from the thread for a day if you already posted thrice within a few hours and its getting nowhere fast. Much appreciated.

[Uska]

Nm

[Zebedar]

I'm pretty sure you're calling me out directly.

Nope. less than 900 posts in 5 years? not you. I'm talking about the dozens of posts a day crew that are more absorbed with seeing their posts and petty little drama played out publicly than actually engaging in the testing feedback and debate.

Seriously, dozens. of. posts. daily.

Loudest voice is seldom the brightest people.

[UurlockYgmeov]

Nm

what, kindly explain? ;p

Forums are a social media - ie people do use them for things other than binary purposes.

are some posts irrelevant to the topic of the thread as stated by the original poster? maybe - but threads are living in as much as they evolve and change. If you don't like this factor then don't use the media.

[Uska]

Decided better than responding to this kind of trouble

[Zebedar]

what, kindly explain? ;p
Forums are a social media -

So is having a conversation at a party, but no one in their right mind would feel comfortable monopolizing and talking over others in the way that the Dirty Dozen'rs do on a daily basis here. It's self-serving, obnoxious, and hurts Lamma discussions and the future of the game by drowning out voices and alienating the people the Devs want feedback from.

Decided better than responding to this kind of trouble

Asking for some decorum and restraint on the part of people who feel the need to spam posts at the cost of the Dev's getting feedback is hardly trouble. Honestly if someone can't restrain themselves from posting less than 3 dozen times a day, they have a problem, not to mention they are putting the game and feedback cycle second to their own need for attention and profile.

Step away from the computer people, let others contribute without diluting their input with your reflex spam.

[UurlockYgmeov]

Decided better than responding to this kind of trouble

lol - so what you are saying is IBTL?

[Elsbet]

Is it spam because they post too much or you just don't like what they have to say? A conversation is responsive. Interactive. Back and forth. Give and take. If you don't like what they have to say, ignore them, but trying to squelch discussion on a discussion board is self-defeating and silly.

[Uska]

lol - so what you are saying is IBTL?

Yeah it looks like flame baiting and is kind of offensive

[Holymunchkin]

Yeah it looks like flame baiting and is kind of offensive

Neither.

[Elsbet]

Yeah it looks like flame baiting and is kind of offensive

This.

[blerkington]

Hi,

I think it's reasonable to have a discussion about posting etiquette, and whether to have forum use changes to prevent people from taking over forum discussions especially when developers are seeking feedback and are finding it hard to work out what we want. If anyone actually does this seriously at Turbine, rather than just sifting for opinions they wanted to hear, I feel a bit sorry for them because those threads are often a real mess.

On the other hand, game forums are one of the few places in the world where the noisy, opinionated, obnoxious fool no-one would ever otherwise talk to can run free. Perhaps we should just acknowledge that this is their natural habitat, and let them have their fun and frolics. You can still throw rocks at the creatures if you're a bit careful about how you do it.

Thanks.

[Elsbet]

Hi,

I think it's reasonable to have a discussion about posting etiquette, and whether to have forum use changes to prevent people from taking over forum discussions especially when developers are seeking feedback and are finding it hard to work out what we want. If anyone actually does this seriously at Turbine, rather than just sifting for opinions they wanted to hear, I feel a bit sorry for them because those threads are often a real mess.

On the other hand, game forums are one of the few places in the world where the noisy, opinionated, obnoxious fool no-one would ever otherwise talk to can run free. Perhaps we should just acknowledge that this is their natural habitat, and let them have their fun and frolics. You can still throw rocks at the creatures if you're a bit careful about how you do it.

Thanks.

That would be a reasonable point if that were what the OP actually asked for or started, but he didn't.

Seriously, shut the hell up. If you can't get your point across and defend your ideas in less then 20 friggen posts your are just posting to hear yourself. And if you insist on the self-gratifying post orgy behavior? Go do it on the general boards where everyone ignore everyone else already and leave the **** Lamma threads alone.



Thank you for your time.


Clarification: Just to nip this in the bud, before anyone feels the need to claim otherwise I'm not speaking of myself when it comes to being drowned out. Lucky for me I am capable of dealing with the Maelstrom of self-inflated post avalanches that some of our members seem to feel the need to unleash daily. But I am concerned when I have to bloody shift through all the conflated self-promoting garbage to find the few interesting and informative posts the real tester/players are trying to make. Like a friggen prospector panning for gold in a steam-bed of mediocre self-important spam.

He instead insists that responding to individual points and posts, and not waiting an hour to reply somehow makes a person inferior to him. Frankly, all he wants to do is stifle debate because that is the only end result of his insistence that people "shut the hell up" and "leave the **** Lamma threads alone".

In person, that assertion would generate a ban-worthy response from me. On the boards, I'll just point out that these are DISCUSSION boards and by necessity, involve DISCUSSION. If he doesn't like that, he should stick to reading books.

[UurlockYgmeov]

a) its the weekend - the troll's come out of hiding.
b) its a holiday (double actually) weekend - and troll's love holiday weekends.
c) the particular type of underground burial chamber trolls love to toss on their clean socks and post on Friday / Saturday.
d) if it smells like dirty sock water, and it is a weekend....
e) and finally, it's the type of topic they love - a way to attack / defame / inflame / provoke in order to try to make themselves feel less supercilious, slimy and troll-like.

Draw you own conclusions. Troll Sock Water is very slimy and very much in poor taste, which goes very well with the original theme of this topic - something to do with forum ettiquette. :P

[Ykt]

Is it spam because they post too much or you just don't like what they have to say? A conversation is responsive. Interactive. Back and forth. Give and take. If you don't like what they have to say, ignore them, but trying to squelch discussion on a discussion board is self-defeating and silly.

Did the OP ask for squelching? I think not.

[Enoach]

This seems a little arbitrary to me...

Some people I've seen post those 20 + posts in a 12 hour period are insightful and well thought out. Sure I don't always agree but you can see that they do care about what they are discussing.

On the other hand there are some people that have posts that have no redeeming qualities.

I know that I personally try to take some time before I hit submit to make sure what I want to get across is what my words type are expressing - realizing that typed text is a difficult medium to convey thoughts and emotions.

However, I would hope that at times the moderators would make good decisions on helping cut down on derailments or these several different cat fights that occur which boil down to nothing more than "mine is bigger than yours"

[Wizza]

Is this the thread where we ask for permission before posting?

Cause Im gonna post somewhere, if its ok for the OP of course