1st Level Iconics

[-Avalon-]

I think that it would be a great idea to make 2 versions of each iconic: a 1st lvl, and a 15th lvl one. The 15th lvl still must get to 30 before reincarnating, but gets to pick all the classes from first level. The 1st lvl one starts at 1st, must go to 20 (therefore only gets the basic past life, not the iconic), and the first level is the fixed class (therefore still preserving Turbine's sales of +1 hearts!)...

IMO, this is important because the four we have now, have different racial trees, making them as much 'subraces' as drow is for elf. I imagine if drow were added now instead of way back, they'd be an iconic with ranger, maybe... But, we have the ability to make 1st lvl ones, which is awesome! Turbine could even whip up an iconic version of the drow if they wanted. This would double the racial potential, keep old sales income and add more even... Not screw up balance of the game, and give players a ton new build options.

[AzureDragonas]

Indeed that would be nice, i hate to avoid race only becuse i would lose Epic pl feat if i picked it. Making option to start from lvl 1 and skip iconic tr thing would make iconic races way more atractive.

[Ayseifn]

Wouldn't it make more sense to go the other way and have the level 15 version be locked into the iconic class?

That way you can 1-20 as any race/class combo you want for a heroic PL feat, while the 15-30 for an iconic past life would actually force you to take that races iconic class for the iconic past life.

[-Avalon-]

Wouldn't it make more sense to go the other way and have the level 15 version be locked into the iconic class?

That way you can 1-20 as any race/class combo you want for a heroic PL feat, while the 15-30 for an iconic past life would actually force you to take that races iconic class for the iconic past life.

However they'd want to do it, I was just trying to balance out the heart vs the extreme levelling requirement. That way, both would have positives and negatives. Honestly, they should give 'racial past life feats' that you only get by leviling to 30 (remove the name 'iconic' and change to 'racial') and can only get by starting at 15, but open that up to all characters as a 'veteran' type thing. Then allow the previously 'iconic' to start at 1. But, otherwise, don't really care how they end up doing it, but those races need to be allowable at level 1. There are a lot of 1st-5th lvl groups on lfm, but then it tapers off dramatically, picks right back up at 15, though... Wonder why... But, this time, that decent number of groups really only has one lull: 19. 15-18, & 20+, lots of groups... I think because people make a bunch of iconic toons. How many would choose level 1 instead, as long as they could tr at 20?

[digital_terror1]

Would love to see a TRUE iconic version of the race that they royally goofed up.

Sun Elf - Should be wizard iconic, and the undead oriented racials should have been arcane stuff. There's no reason to take the racial cores beyond the very first to unlock the rest of the tree. All the lore regarding this Elf subtype has the preferred class as wizard, as do most of the Elven racial subtypes.


Hopefully they don't mess gnomes and deep gnomes up as badly as they did sun elf.

[Uska]

I know I am in the minority but when iconics came out I understood them to be exactly that and they would have had 15 levels in their set class I would have actually liked seeing that since that would have made them true iconics

[Khatzhas]

Thematically level 15 start works with iconics because that is the point that you hit their themed content. All apart from BF are from FR so it makes sense that they start at the point the FR content does. The Bladeforged is from Eberron, but begins at the point many of the Cannith quests start, so likewise relevant.

Hopefully they don't mess gnomes and deep gnomes up as badly as they did sun elf.

Fairly sure that the Svirfneblin Iconic will be a wizard of some ilk at this point.