Please segregate martial and arcane pre/suffixes on random loot

[IronClan]

BS. I never said TWF was weaker then other styles and always said that it was on paper stronger, I got in to numerous debates about this until i just got sick of saying it. There is a very long debate with Tilomere if you look it up. Thread title was something or another about glancing blows being the to strong.

When you say "adding multiplier [to ranger] when it's MAYBE already strong enough" you make your stance crystal clear.

[Edit] yeah I'm conflating ranger and TWF a little here so I'll back off of the wording "busted out".

[RoberttheBard]

All things considered, it's a safe assumption

Really, because I don't come away from the forums feeling that way. Just reading this thread, I'm left with the impression that you don't even have a basic understanding of character building. If you did, you might understand that most of this loot might be valuable to somebody. Sorry that it doesn't fit one of your FoM builds, apparently, but hey, that's what pawn brokers and vendors are for, so you have someplace to sell loot you can't/won't use.

[Basura_Grande]

Really, because I don't come away from the forums feeling that way.

Your loss.

[Gauthaag]

anyone has build for spellcasting artie dog? I could use some, cause I got nice collection f collars with spellpower

[RoberttheBard]

And far more of the loot should serve this ridiculously bad fringe type of builds instead of what 99% of people play?

I don't believe you for a second.

Do you have some statistics for that, or is it just a number you pulled out of "thin air"? Hell, I just TR'd out of an EK that would have used the weapon given in the example you quoted. Of course, I don't have to stick to builds found in the Baskin Robbins section. I've been building D&D toons for a very long time, and don't need to run off of someone else's trial and error to find things I like, like to play, and can be effective. You see, for 99% of players, there is a game before 30. Hey, check it out, I can throw random percentages out there to support my claims too.

[RoberttheBard]

Your loss.

Actually, it seems to be my incredible gain: I'm not limited to what you think. Suits me just fine.

[Basura_Grande]

Actually, it seems to be my incredible gain: I'm not limited to what you think. Suits me just fine.

Just copy my thoughts, you'll enjoy being right for a change, ask the other guy

With all that said you know how silly some of you people look objecting to an idea just because I brought it up.

[RoberttheBard]

Just copy my thoughts, you'll enjoy being right for a change, ask the other guy

With all that said you know how silly some of you people look objecting to an idea just because I brought it up.

My my, aren't we full of ourselves? I'm objecting to the idea because it's bad, short of the addendum that I made to my initial post, that they need to check why it seems to be dropping a lot more than other combos are.

[UurlockYgmeov]

I'm okay with SOME of the loot being worth cash only also, but should 99% of the chest loot be garbage?

And I don't think I'm exaggerating at 99%.

I do believe 99% is a stretch. maybe 75% and that is just fine. Keeps you looking for that diamond in the rough.

go back to your crafter thread - even better after moving it to suggestion subsection, where it belongs

Well then under that assumption this thread needs to move there as well.

However, as a discussion thread the thread(s) you are poo-pooing ( ) belong exactly where they are.

[IronClan]

Do you have some statistics for that, or is it just a number you pulled out of "thin air"?

Of course not, he has his idea of what everyone should do and anything outside of that is gimp or fringe. The truth is the game is nearly organic in the possible viable permutations of builds even for EE or LE, and depending on what you're trying to do (just TR'ing for example) the number of viable builds just increases.

It's a very narrow and unimaginative thing Forum DDO. In real DDO I've made some crazy s*** work... I've dominated EE kill counts with a 12 wiz 6 sorc 2 whatever (iconic class usually for ITR'ing or ETR'ing)... at the time Sorc/Wiz Chain Missle's cooldowns didn't overlap (they changed that) and CM was (still is) bugged to be max caster level even with only 6 sorc levels... Now I no longer care about letting this bit of meta knowledge out so I can use it to let people like Basura know that when he sees an odd class combo he's probably just not aware of why it's good, as opposed to his obvious initial elitist reaction of thinking he has it all figured out and anything he doesn't know about is trash.

Unfortunately even rubbing his nose in something gimpy looking that he didn't know wont change his mind... he's anonymous on an internet forum playing Forum DDO.

I have a healthy respect for what a wraith form base can do, and I can imagine a newer player first life toon, using a keen high crit range weapon to knock some fort saves off of elite mobs... Basura just equates such a thing to his Guild facerolling of content and laughs no one should EVER debuff anything because he just plows through it overlelvel with the deck stacked in his favor, so he can't possibly imagine someone underlevling, solo, new, first life build, all these things don't exist in his mind. If it's not FOTM that somebody posted for him vetted by guildies or the forums, he's got no use for it.

[Deathdefy]

The only thing I worry about is "Astute" being categorized as a caster prefix. As long as some things (specifically just stats I think, but haven't reflected on it much) can straddle both categories, I think this would be a logical and enjoyable change.

[Basura_Grande]

Of course not, he has his idea of what everyone should do and anything outside of that is gimp or fringe.

True, but I am right.

[Basura_Grande]

I do believe 99% is a stretch. maybe 75% and that is just fine. Keeps you looking for that diamond in the rough.

Nonsense.

[KielbasaBeta]

I hope they get random loot sorted out in the next patch. I am sick of seeing doubleshot on handwraps. Had some perfectly good wraps drop earlier +6 4d6 electric damage stunning 9 red slot ..... 6 doubleshot .. sigh.... It is hard enough to find anything decent with all of the spell power all over the place. I would hate to be a new player in this situation that has no good loot banked.

[UurlockYgmeov]

Nonsense.

Agree to disagree. Fortunately the Dev's have already come out and said as much. HAND (H/ave A/ N/ice D/ay)!

[jillora]

/not signed. It's fun to actually find so much random lootgen for my EK wizard and she was already a lot of fun to play. Although maybe it would be nice to have more stuff good for the rest of my toons. maybe.

[Kompera_Oberon]

I'd consider them if they actually existed.

95% of the loot shouldn't be ideal for 1% of builds.

First, you just admitted they exist, or there would be no need for you to cite your invented 1% figure. Will you share your polling data with the forum so we can see if you had a large enough sample size and adequate data to arrive at your conclusion? You don't need to answer, that was rhetorical.

Second, you're asking for 0% of the loot to be ideal for 1% of the builds, and that is exclusionary. Not to mention it being a whole lot easier to just randomly match up effects rather than trying to both make most of the items line up as good for either casters or martials, while also trying to throw in a few items for the players who actually do run casters who melee or whatever.

What I hate seeing on the new lootgen is a huge mismatch between item min level and the effect. I've seen Vorpal on a level 25+ item. Not Improved Vorpal, not Sovereign Vorpal, the same vanilla Vorpal you can get on a L4 item these days.

[bartharok]

I have a lot of toons that benefit fom having a mix of caster/melee/ranged hybrid items. And i quite enjoy playing them. While ive tried out some of the builds popular amongst min/maxers, ive found them profoundly boring.

[Hydian]

I'm okay with SOME of the loot being worth cash only also, but should 99% of the chest loot be garbage?

And I don't think I'm exaggerating at 99%.

So no different than before the loot pass then? Honestly, while the amount of mixed weapons is a bit excessive, I don't see the issue with it. Before the pass, the vast majority of random loot was vendor trash. Now there is much less of it that is.