How do I make a max str build?

[Bolo_Grubb]

What classes (multi class is preferred) and race are idea for getting the highest possible strength?

[unbongwah]

Max STR or max DPS or max DCs?

EDIT: For max STR, probably a half-orc ftr 12 / barb 6 / cleric or FvS 2. You'll note you don't see too many of those running around, though...

EDIT 2: This is the best I can do for a max-STR build.

Biceps of RAGE
12/6/2 Fighter/Barbarian/Favored Soul
True Neutral Half-Orc


Level Order

1. Barbarian       6. Barbarian      11. Fighter        16. Fighter
2. Barbarian       7. Favored Soul   12. Fighter        17. Fighter
3. Barbarian       8. Favored Soul   13. Fighter        18. Fighter
4. Barbarian       9. Fighter        14. Fighter        19. Fighter
5. Barbarian      10. Fighter        15. Fighter        20. Fighter


Stats
               32pt     34pt     36pt     Tome     Level Up
               ----     ----     ----     ----     --------
Strength        20       20       20       +7       4: STR
Dexterity        8        8        8                8: STR
Constitution     8       10       12               12: STR
Intelligence     6        6        6               16: STR
Wisdom           8        8        8               20: STR
Charisma        16       16       16       +7      24: STR
                                                   28: STR

Feats

 1        : Power Attack
 3        : Cleave
 6        : Great Cleave
 7 Deity  : Follower of: Sovereign Host
 9        : Improved Critical: Slashing
 9 Fighter: Weapon Focus: Slashing
10 Fighter: Two Handed Fighting
12        : Weapon Specialization: Slashing
12 Fighter: Improved Two Handed Fighting
14 Fighter: Greater Two Handed Fighting
15        :
16 Fighter: Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing
18        :
18 Fighter:
20 Fighter: Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing
21 Epic   : Great Ability: Strength
24 Epic   : Great Ability: Strength
26 Destiny: Perfect Two Handed Fighting
27 Epic   : Great Ability: Strength
28 Destiny: First Blood
29 Destiny: Harbinger of Chaos
30 Epic   : Great Ability: Strength
30 Legend : Scion of: Arborea


Enhancements (77 of 80 AP)

Kensei (23 AP)

Kensei Focus: Axes, Spiritual Bond, Strike with No Thought, Power Surge
Extra Action Boost III, Weapon Group Specialization, Haste Boost III
Weapon Group Specialization
Weapon Group Specialization, Strength
Strength

Ravager (22 AP)

Furious Rage, Pain Touch, Demoralizing Success
Barbarian Power Attack III, Hardy Rage II
Cruel Cut III, Melee Power Boost III
Slaughter III, Festering Wound I, Strength
Strength

Half-Orc (17 AP)

Orcish Fury, Orcish Strength, Orcish Fury II, Orcish Strength II, Orcish Fury III
Orcish Weapon Training
Orcish Weapon Training, Orcish Rage
Orcish Weapon Training
Power Rage II

Frenzied Berserker (11 AP)

Die Hard, Frenzied Toughness, Frenzy
Extra Rage II, Power Rage III

Warpriest (4 AP)

Smite Foe
Divine Might III


Destiny (24 AP)

Legendary Dreadnought

Extra Action Boost III, Strength
Momentum Swing III, Imp. Power Attack, Strength
Strength
Strength
Devastating Critical, Strength
Master's Blitz, Strength

Twists of Fate (23 fate points)

Strength (Tier 3 Crusader)
Strength (Tier 2 Crusader)
Strength (Tier 1 Crusader)
Strength (Tier 1 Fury)
Primal Scream (Tier 1 Fury)

STR: base 20 + 7 lvl-ups + 7 tome + 6 enhs (HO+Kensei+FB) + 9 Rage (4 base + 3 FB Power Rage + 2 Orcish Rage) + 2 Frenzy + 8 Power Surge + 6 LD + 4 Twists + 5 Primal Scream +4 Gt STR = 78 STR. And that's before you add gear and Div Might.

Alternatively, you can do barb 18 / FvS 1 / druid 1: you lose +10 STR from Kensei, but gain +2 STR Ram's Might, +4 STR Death Frenzy, and +2 STR Gtr Rage. So you're only -2 STR behind.

[Bolo_Grubb]

Yes I did mean max strength.

thanks that is what I need to try some ideas. This for a half-orc flavor build.

Not concerned with max DC as a strength build will have at least decent tactical DCs. Again this is for fun and flavor.

[count_spicoli]

ya your looking at 12ftr/6 barb/2 cleric or fvs. No other build will compare with this for str purposes. Built correctly this should net you 120+. Alot of clickies to keep this str active and as others have stated this is not a max dps build. However it is the best tactics build as you will have a no fail stun, trip lay waste and dire charge. Especially if you have the 3 past lives ftr going and all the tactics boosts you can muster.

[unbongwah]

However it is the best tactics build as you will have a no fail stun, trip lay waste and dire charge.

Actually, if you're looking for max DCs, I think you'd want ftr 16 / barb 3 / FvS 1; you give up +4 STR (+2 DCs) from barb but gain +20 DCs from ftr tactical feats (+8 of which is from lvl 16 ftr feat, so a net gain of +6 DCs). Hence my question about what the OP is really after here...

[Steve_Howe]

Actually, if you're looking for max DCs, I think you'd want ftr 16 / barb 3 / FvS 1; you give up +4 STR (+2 DCs) from barb but gain +20 DCs from ftr tactical feats (+8 of which is from lvl 16 ftr feat, so a net gain of +6 DCs). Hence my question about what the OP is really after here...

I think what the OP really wants is to make a toon capable of lifting Meridia and tossing it across the Vale.

[Bolo_Grubb]

Max STR or max DPS or max DCs?

EDIT: For max STR, probably a half-orc ftr 12 / barb 6 / cleric or FvS 2. You'll note you don't see too many of those running around, though...

EDIT 2: This is the best I can do for a max-STR build.

Biceps of RAGE
12/6/2 Fighter/Barbarian/Favored Soul
True Neutral Half-Orc


Level Order

1. Barbarian       6. Barbarian      11. Fighter        16. Fighter
2. Barbarian       7. Favored Soul   12. Fighter        17. Fighter
3. Barbarian       8. Favored Soul   13. Fighter        18. Fighter
4. Barbarian       9. Fighter        14. Fighter        19. Fighter
5. Barbarian      10. Fighter        15. Fighter        20. Fighter


Stats
               32pt     34pt     36pt     Tome     Level Up
               ----     ----     ----     ----     --------
Strength        20       20       20       +7       4: STR
Dexterity        8        8        8                8: STR
Constitution     8       10       12               12: STR
Intelligence     6        6        6               16: STR
Wisdom           8        8        8               20: STR
Charisma        16       16       16       +7      24: STR
                                                   28: STR

Feats

 1        : Power Attack
 3        : Cleave
 6        : Great Cleave
 7 Deity  : Follower of: Sovereign Host
 9        : Improved Critical: Slashing
 9 Fighter: Weapon Focus: Slashing
10 Fighter: Two Handed Fighting
12        : Weapon Specialization: Slashing
12 Fighter: Improved Two Handed Fighting
14 Fighter: Greater Two Handed Fighting
15        :
16 Fighter: Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing
18        :
18 Fighter:
20 Fighter: Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing
21 Epic   : Great Ability: Strength
24 Epic   : Great Ability: Strength
26 Destiny: Perfect Two Handed Fighting
27 Epic   : Great Ability: Strength
28 Destiny: First Blood
29 Destiny: Harbinger of Chaos
30 Epic   : Great Ability: Strength
30 Legend : Scion of: Arborea


Enhancements (77 of 80 AP)

Kensei (23 AP)

Kensei Focus: Axes, Spiritual Bond, Strike with No Thought, Power Surge
Extra Action Boost III, Weapon Group Specialization, Haste Boost III
Weapon Group Specialization
Weapon Group Specialization, Strength
Strength

Ravager (22 AP)

Furious Rage, Pain Touch, Demoralizing Success
Barbarian Power Attack III, Hardy Rage II
Cruel Cut III, Melee Power Boost III
Slaughter III, Festering Wound I, Strength
Strength

Half-Orc (17 AP)

Orcish Fury, Orcish Strength, Orcish Fury II, Orcish Strength II, Orcish Fury III
Orcish Weapon Training
Orcish Weapon Training, Orcish Rage
Orcish Weapon Training
Power Rage II

Frenzied Berserker (11 AP)

Die Hard, Frenzied Toughness, Frenzy
Extra Rage II, Power Rage III

Warpriest (4 AP)

Smite Foe
Divine Might III


Destiny (24 AP)

Legendary Dreadnought

Extra Action Boost III, Strength
Momentum Swing III, Imp. Power Attack, Strength
Strength
Strength
Devastating Critical, Strength
Master's Blitz, Strength

Twists of Fate (23 fate points)

Strength (Tier 3 Crusader)
Strength (Tier 2 Crusader)
Strength (Tier 1 Crusader)
Strength (Tier 1 Fury)
Primal Scream (Tier 1 Fury)

STR: base 20 + 7 lvl-ups + 7 tome + 6 enhs (HO+Kensei+FB) + 9 Rage (4 base + 3 FB Power Rage + 2 Orcish Rage) + 2 Frenzy + 8 Power Surge + 6 LD + 4 Twists + 5 Primal Scream +4 Gt STR = 78 STR. And that's before you add gear and Div Might.

Alternatively, you can do barb 18 / FvS 1 / druid 1: you lose +10 STR from Kensei, but gain +2 STR Ram's Might, +4 STR Death Frenzy, and +2 STR Gtr Rage. So you're only -2 STR behind.

I used this as a guide but decided I also wanted rogue skills. So I swapped out the 2 FVS for 2 Rogue. Pretty happy with the results. I can hit 100 STR with gear, rages, and power surge. could get a bit more but need some favor (yugo pots) and some of the newer gear and some LGS ingredients.

[unbongwah]

With a +16 INT mod, I trust you added KtA for +8 dmg & DCs.

I've got a similar HO build I abandoned ages ago: only lvl 14-ish, IIRC. After the barb buffs, originally I was gonna LR into pure barb, but with the Kensei upgrade, it might be time to dust it off and see how it does now.

[Bolo_Grubb]

With a +16 INT mod, I trust you added KtA for +8 dmg & DCs.

Of course He can also get any trap in the game, just have to remember to swap some gear

[the_one_dwarfforged]

im pretty sure human is better, unless you dont have enough ap for the racial tree.