Devs plz take action as fast as possible

[IronClan]

Ideally those who have abused this exploit have those characters deleted and/or their accounts permanently banned.

That wont happen, but what will happen is a good percentage of the dumb dumbs who exploit this will be bored sooner and have no reason to login, effectively banning themselves. If they actually enjoy playing the game then they're only hurting themselves, and those too stupid to recognize that they are cheating themselves out of reasons to play.

Stupid is as stupid does.

And BTW to all those people who demanded we allow Shroud ings to be sold, or passed in chest?

This is why we didn't want that, this would have ruined the raid by littering the AH with cheap ings. In a few months when all the people who cheated themselves are bored and no longer log in and the loop hole is fixed, the people who are left can run Shroud normally every few days and actually have a reason to keep enjoying the game over time. Just like DW and FP's are run now post phlog duping. It is sad that the Dev's missed some loop holes, but they are humans and humans do that sometimes. What it really sad is the amount of people who are incapable of realizing how eating the whole cookie jar is ultimately a really stupid thing to do for their own good.

[Holymunchkin]

It is sad that the Dev's missed some loop holes, but they are humans and humans do that sometimes. What it really sad is the amount of people who are incapable of realizing how eating the whole cookie jar is ultimately a really stupid thing to do for their own good.

your polemic aside...

+1

...however...

when deathwyrm came out I bought timers and ran 20 off the bat. I had a mortal fear in 3 weeks. I saw all the duped ones all around me. I didn't care.
Some people need to eat cookies like mad. It's just more fun. I have time off in the winter, and ddo is a cheap hobby. I am going to eat the whole jar.

I still run deathwyrm. Once a week. For fun and to help guildies. Which is more than most people in game probably.

[IronClan]

your polemic aside...

+1

...however...

when deathwyrm came out I bought timers and ran 20 off the bat. I had a mortal fear in 3 weeks. I saw all the duped ones all around me. I didn't care.
Some people need to eat cookies like mad. It's just more fun. I have time off in the winter, and ddo is a cheap hobby. I am going to eat the whole jar.

I still run deathwyrm. Once a week. For fun and to help guildies. Which is more than most people in game probably.

Not to point out the obvious but I said "a good percentage" of people who eat the whole cookie jar get put off the cookies. of course there are those who literally do not care about the leveling/progress part of the game and play DDO like they would an FPS with no advancement... I do a little of both personally so I see both sides of the coin.

If you don't throw up on yourself after you eat the whole jar, then knock yourself out.

[Turtlsdown]

Seeing as how this is now end-game, it will probably get fixed.

[goldgolem]

Seeing as how this is now end-game, it will probably get fixed.

Its already too late. By the time they get a patch in, people will have all the items they want

[slarden]

They're running it because it's there. A (many time) permabanned player was leading Shroud through the weekend showing the exploits, and I have a feeling it will now fully bloom on Sarlona. Whatever. Hopefully they permaban him again, just because it would be funny.

Well I wasn't intending to make any comments on the ethics side of it. If the only shrouds running are using short cut methods that is what I will do.

I was alluding more to the fact that the devs should take note that people like running shroud much more when they don't spend 20 minutes beating down portals.

Just a thought, but I hope the devs take note that it's much more fun without the lengthy portal beatdown portion. Perhaps when they fix this they can also adjust portal hp so that part isn't so boring.

No comment on the ethics of skipping portals, especially since I've done 20 or so runs that way myself and the raid is way more fun that way. It reminds me of the phantom edit version of the phantom menace movie. Addition by subtraction.

[moomooprincess]

Your join date is Oct. 2015. I seriously doubt you know anything outside what's posted in forums honestly.

I played for seven months before I joined the forum.

There are probably thousands of players that have never joined the forums and have been playing a long, long time.

[Vorthian]

Its already too late. By the time they get a patch in, people will have all the items they want

BtA items/mats and what should be simple determination of who has abused the exploit would allow the devs to clear out all GS and mats from those accounts.

Devs, do it.

[Vellrad]

BtA items/mats and what should be simple determination of who has abused the exploit would allow the devs to clear out all GS and mats from those accounts.

Devs, do it.

Yeah, because no one spend a lot of TP/shards on bypasses and/or have lots of alts.

[Vorthian]

Yeah, because no one spend a lot of TP/shards on bypasses and/or have lots of alts.

The TP spent (assuming they chose to complete) on bypass timers is forfeit. Spend them again once the raid is fixed and the exploit is cleaned up. You cheat, you get to pay the exploiters tax.

Alts on the same account, yes, which is why as I posted they should wipe the entire account of all items.

[Marshal_Lannes]

It is funny. First LGS was regarded as so awful there were numerous posts about how people wouldn't/won't run eShroud for it. Now the exploiters find easy access to mats and LGS is cool and there is a rush to get items. Iron Clan makes a great point about cheating to get your GS...then what are you going to do? Whine on the forums for a couple weeks about how the game is not challenging then quit.

This still doesn't excuse the coding error though. I don't understand how Devs allow these massive power influx bugs to go live. They should apologize to the whole community of legitimate players who once again will have to endure Marvel Super Heroes boosted by nefarious means yet again.

[Holymunchkin]

This still doesn't excuse the coding error though. I don't understand how Devs allow these massive power influx bugs to go live. They should apologize to the whole community of legitimate players who once again will have to endure Marvel Super Heroes boosted by nefarious means yet again.

+1

[Qezuzu]

Ideally those who have abused this exploit have those characters deleted and/or their accounts permanently banned.

...people should be permanently banned for a geometry exploit?

It's on the devs for not fixing this. They just need to delete the object that allows this (or just its physics), or place an invisible wall. They could also put a flag on the portal to pt2, preventing it from being used before pt1 is done, or add in the insta-kill zone seen in Creeping Death. This should be a five minute fix.

...then again, so should Strange Tidings, but apparently "it is not quick to fix." Is DDO's spaghetti code preventing them from simply deleting a [REDACTED]?

[slarden]

The TP spent (assuming they chose to complete) on bypass timers is forfeit. Spend them again once the raid is fixed and the exploit is cleaned up. You cheat, you get to pay the exploiters tax.

Alts on the same account, yes, which is why as I posted they should wipe the entire account of all items.

It might be interesting to see this just to watch the unfolding drama that results from it - even if I lose some mats.

I don't see any good outcome coming from this really - not sure how else a person can get runs in if they refuse to run it the way the party leader dictates.

[Wizza]

wtvr

[Sarzor]

Considering I have no clue what you're talking about, i assume you're looking in weird circles for groups.

I've done probably half a dozen Legendary Shrouds, and not a single one has been different appreciably than heroic. Sure, more rainbow, more HP, usually end up with some portal keepers, but same as heroic, no weird cheats.

[Vorthian]

...people should be permanently banned for a geometry exploit?

I would prefer this as the chosen consequence to abusing a raid exploit. It is unlikely we would see a future in which exploiters have free reign to act without concern for consequence, if the consequence is known to be severe. An alternative but less appealing consequence is for those who have cheated, to delete all mats and LGS items from all characters on their account.

[Vellrad]

The TP spent (assuming they chose to complete) on bypass timers is forfeit. Spend them again once the raid is fixed and the exploit is cleaned up. You cheat, you get to pay the exploiters tax.

Alts on the same account, yes, which is why as I posted they should wipe the entire account of all items.

Are you mad?
If turbine bans people on basis of 'you have more mats than X, therefore you must've xploited', ignoring alts, bypases and whatever, they will ban some whale for offence of spending TP and financing turbine.
Retarted move.

Remember maban?

[Vorthian]

Are you mad?
If turbine bans people on basis of 'you have more mats than X, therefore you must've xploited', ignoring alts, bypases and whatever, they will ban some whale for offence of spending TP and financing turbine.
Retarted move.

Remember maban?

They should have the data to determine who has abused the exploit often and who has not. Perhaps some few who were restrained will not be punished, to error on the side of caution, which is understandable.

[slarden]

They should have the data to determine who has abused the exploit often and who has not. Perhaps some few who were restrained will not be punished, to error on the side of caution, which is understandable.

They can start with me if they feel I am a dirty exploiter - my characters are in my sig. I already acknowledged I joined groups using this method although I didn't keep track how many times. I also ran it the traditional way even more times before groups started running it the alternate way and even now some groups are running completions for xp.

As I said I will continue to join groups regardless of how they are running it. If Turbine doesn't like it run that way they can fix it.

If they want to take away my progress due to their bug the price they pay is no more revenue from me. Up to them and I am not going to complain either way, but if they want to take away my progress because raid leaders are taking advantage of favorable bugs - it's on them in my opinion.

If they want to ban the people that used the short cut method on Sarlona, who will be left to run raids because nobody wants to beat down portals - it's boring.