How much spell power can I realistically get?

[Ligraph]

Been doing build calculations, so I've been wondering. Seen pics of over 900, but is that possible on a non-spellcaster? AA ranger if it matters. Also, what could the "cap" be on a spellcaster? And if someone doesn't mind posting a breakdown... that would be awesome.

[Enguebert]

Been doing build calculations, so I've been wondering. Seen pics of over 900, but is that possible on a non-spellcaster? AA ranger if it matters. Also, what could the "cap" be on a spellcaster? And if someone doesn't mind posting a breakdown... that would be awesome.

I guess it will be different from build to build, especially where multiclassing could allow you to gain benefit in same element from different tree.

But i would also see some breakdown example of various build (wizard, sorcerer, cleric,...) at level 20 (Heroic) and at level 30 (Epic) to see what is decent spellpower and what is optimal spellpower

[Nightmanis]

Realistically mid 400's I think would be reasonable to shoot for. I want to say fire is going to be the highest you can shoot for because of divine crusader though I'm not to knowledgeable on the subject.

Going pure int based would grant the highest spellpower but the I have no idea how much your dps would suffer otherwise.

[Discpsycho]

I'd be inclined to agree with Nightmanis about fire, as you've got the +30 from DC. You could also get another +30 from T3 Draconic Incarnation, but that high of a twist would probably gimp you in other areas. From Shiradi, you could get +10 from cores, +15 from T2 Fey Form, and +10 from T5 Stand and Deliver, but AFAIK this ED isn't great for archers anymore.

I'd be interested to see which of the AA abilities count as spells for the purposes of Angel of Vengeance's Scourge. That would give you up to another +30 with fire, and a 1-level FvS splash would also give you Divine Might, unless you prefer going KTA and boosting int for Spellcraft. The tree also has various crit bonuses and a T3 implement bonus, if you end up using bows without caster stats.

Taking Sorc 1 would give you +10 from Fire Savant Core 1 and another +25 from Conflagration (if AA abilities can count as fire spells). These two trees also scale USP with points invested - 1 per AoV point, 0.75 per Fire Savant point. The rest of the Fire Savant cores also give you +10, but at some point you'd want to drop those in favor of points in AA.

I don't pretend to know a lot about the current state of AA, but AFAIK you want at least Ranger 12 from the DWS crit multiplier. Taking 6 Monk for 10k Stars / stances might also be good, which leaves you two levels to splash with. Unless you're Int-stacking, FvS seems like a solid choice here, especially if Scourge applies. Ignoring spellcraft (which I'm too lazy to min-max right now)...

DC T2: +30
DI T3: +30
FvS T1: +30
FvS AP invested: +4 (or +6 if you take Smiting)

[Ligraph]

For perspective, my build is a pure ranger AA/Deepwood. Build is (should be) posted below. Strategy is to have a good base damage, but have most of the damage from from Scion of Air and Lightning Arrows. Thinking ~400 spell power should be maintainable, especially with 150 from a thunderforged bow.

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Level 30 Lawful Good Elf Male
(20 Ranger \ 10 Epic) 
Hit Points: 420
Spell Points: 227 
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 14
Reflex: 20
Will: 9

                   Ending           
Abilities        Base Stats         
(32 Point)       (Level 30)         
Strength              9             
Dexterity            24             
Constitution         15             
Intelligence          8             
Wisdom               16             
Charisma              8             

Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Reptillian
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Bow Strength
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Elven Keen Senses
Feat: (Automatic) Enchantment Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Immunity to Sleep
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Feat: (Automatic) Wild Empathy


Level 2 (Ranger)
Feat: (Automatic) Rapid Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Automatic) Diehard


Level 4 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Automatic) Precise Shot


Level 5 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Automatic) Archer's Focus
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Heroic Durability


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Eschew Materials
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Manyshot


Level 7 (Ranger)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Wild Empathy


Level 8 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: DEX


Level 9 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion


Level 10 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Human


Level 11 (Ranger)
Feat: (Automatic) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Precise Shot


Level 12 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Selected) Mobility


Level 13 (Ranger)


Level 14 (Ranger)


Level 15 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
Feat: (Selected) Precision


Level 16 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: DEX


Level 17 (Ranger)


Level 18 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Shot on the Run


Level 19 (Ranger)


Level 20 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Monstrous Humanoid


Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Combat Archery


Level 22 (Epic)


Level 23 (Epic)


Level 24 (Epic)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critical


Level 25 (Epic)


Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Arcane Sphere: Epic Spell Power: Electricity


Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Blinding Speed


Level 28 (Epic)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Primal Sphere: Doubleshot


Level 29 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Multiple Spheres: Arcane Warrior


Level 30 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Wellspring of Power
Feat: (Legendary) Scion of the Plane of Air
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Aligned Arrows (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Shadow Arrows (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Mystical Archer (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Dispelling Shot (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Dispelling Shot (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Dispelling Shot (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Force Arrows (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Force Arrows (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Inferno Shot (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Inferno Shot (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Inferno Shot (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Shattermantle Shot (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Shattermantle Shot (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Shattermantle Shot (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Soul Magic (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Elemental Damage (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Dexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Banishing Arrows (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Smiting Arrows (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Elemental Damage (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Dexterity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Sneak Attack (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Mark of the Hunted (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Damage Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Damage Boost (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Survivalist II (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Thrill of the Hunt (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Thrill of the Hunt (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Thrill of the Hunt (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Favored Hunter (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Favored Hunter (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Survivalist III (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Killer (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Killer (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Killer (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Merciful Shot (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Heavy Draw (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Strikes Like Lightning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Head Shot (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Improved Archer's Focus (Rank 1)

[Ligraph]

Also, can someone tell me if spell crit affects Lightning Arrows or Scion of Air damage in any way?

[Ligraph]

Ran a breakdown on my build, fairly satisfied with the results:

Base:

Gear:
150 - random gear or a tier 1 Thunderforged.
77 - insightful from random gear
27 - quality from u29 named Sage light armor.
15 - from spellcraft on gear
36 - implement bonus

Feats/levels:
10 - spellcraft bonuses from epic levels
60 - spell power bonuses from epic levels
20 - Epic Spell Power: Electric
40 - Scion of Air

Enhancements:
15 - Improved Elemental Arrows

Skills:
11.5 - Spellcraft (not including Int)

Epic Destinies:
30 - Blue Dragon Heritige
5 - Interrogation

Total:
496.5 electric spellpower

Sustainable Buffs:

Arcane Warrior - 20 at max stacks
Potion of Greater Spark - 20

Total:
536.5

Non-sustainable Buffs:
Wellspring of Power - 150
Enchant Weapon (spell) - 3
GH - 4
Inspire Competence - 2

Total with all buffs:
695.5

I'm very happy with 530 base spellpower and nearly 700 for boss fights. If anyone has ideas on how to get more, please post.


Lightning Damage:
7d6 - Lightning Arrows
2d20 - Scion of Air

That's 45.5 average damage, which goes up to 241.15 damage with my base spell power, and 316.4525 using everything I have.

If I also take Stormrage, which I am thinking of doing, it adds 10d20 damage to one attack per second, which averages out to 105 dps. With spell power (assuming it scales), that is 556.5 sustainable dps and 730.275 all out dps. In addition to what I already have.



Edit: not sure if I did dps calculations right, the formula I used was dps = base * (spell power / 100). Not sure if this formula is correct, or if the corect formula is dps = base * (100 + spell power)/100.