Dwarven Axe Thrower

[Nubicus]

So I was fooling around on the wiki just looking at a few different things, when I stumbled upon Throwing Axes. I saw that they were a 1d6 base die with a x3 Critical multiplier. I thought that was interesting and so went to check on Swashbuckler, because I thought I remembered seeing that in there somewhere, and I saw that it was, and that it added 2 to the crit range, and 1 to the critical multiplier. This led me down a variety of thoughts on why don't I see throwing axe builds?

The main conclusions I came too were Shuriken Expertise and 10k Stars. These add a lot of extra throws you wouldn't get with throwing ax's.

However, I think some of the synergy's out there would help, for instance:

-Dwarf - Throw Your Weight Around - Focus and fewer stats which might increase damage and allow variation in build
-Bard - You can swashbuckler with a throwing axe with the bonus's that I mentioned, and you could wield a swashbuckler or maybe delve into rune arms.
-Fighter - If your swashbuckling anyways, why not take some stalwart defender? Lots of hit points and lots of PRR would mean when you take agro of the EE baddy, you can stand and deliver rather than kite and annoy your party.

The Class break up as I see it would be at least 12 ranger (DWS), 3 Bard (Swashbuckler), and fighter to taste with Stalwart Defender.

You wouldn't have Ten Thousand Stars, but your weapon would crit for a lot more and you'd still have Manyshot. With many shot, you could dust off your Madstone Boots and take hits until in madstone rage before popping Manyshot.

So that's my idea. I'm not saying it's a good one, or an original one. I just want your input before I start working too heavily on this build.

Unlike other posts, I want you to tell me why this is a horrible idea.

[unbongwah]

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...l-Known-Issues

"The Swashbuckler stance is not applying its +1 Critical multiplier to thrown weapons."

That's the big reason you don't see more Swashie throwers, IMHO. That and how OP monk shuriken builds are.

[jakeelala]

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...l-Known-Issues

"The Swashbuckler stance is not applying its +1 Critical multiplier to thrown weapons."

That's the big reason you don't see more Swashie throwers, IMHO. That and how OP monk shuriken builds are.

They are not OP. They better than any other throwers however, since they don't suffer from not WAI features, like a Bard thrower.

[Holymunchkin]

They are not OP.

Let's say for a moment that the +1 multi from swash worked on shuriken. What would a thunderforged's crit profile be with the new IMP critical?

[unbongwah]

They are not OP. They better than any other throwers however, since they don't suffer from not WAI features, like a Bard thrower.

Are we talking relative to other ranged builds or other top-DPS builds? Because I meant the former: "out-DPSs any other non-shurimonk-based thrower build" is what I meant by "OP" in this context. It's thanks to threads like yours that I've become convinced every other thrower (inc. my own) is just a flavor build.

[jakeelala]

Are we talking relative to other ranged builds or other top-DPS builds? Because I meant the former: "out-DPSs any other non-shurimonk-based thrower build" is what I meant by "OP" in this context. It's thanks to threads like yours that I've become convinced every other thrower (inc. my own) is just a flavor build.

If your goal is absolute highest DPS, then yes, I try to build, test, and post the highest DPS thrower builds I can, to my ability.

If Bard Multiplier worked, we would certainly have more options for top DPS builds, I believe. When you look at my particular build in the linked thread, it's really not a Thrower build, it's a hybrid build. It uses the highest DPS forms of both ranged (bow) and Shuriken DPS to achieve it's end. Eseenitally filling in for the Bow's weak downtime with high RoF shuriken between Manyshots.

If you ask me, these types of builds are the greatest thing about DDO. It rewards careful thought and planning, as well as difficult active combat playstyle. Without all of those things happening at once, it's a mediocre build.

[LordTigerDawn]

I have dwarf ax thrower. It's dps is not even close to shuriken, throwing speed is too slow to keep LD going. It does have some great defence though.

12 ranger is too much, and the missing crit multi is the main reason it's dps comes out so low.

If you are going to try it, I would go bard, ranger, rogue though bard, fighter, rogue would work. Addicted to sniper shot I am.

Coup de grace does work on a thrower so it becomes more trick build vs dps.

I like the idea though...