WIS and unyielding sentinel

[Silverleafeon]

As a response to the OP's request. Personally I would like to see all EDs have 3 options that make sense for the Sphere/Target user. Wisdom in this ED makes sense because all Divine Classes use Wisdom in one manner or another.

Spot on, and from the design of Crusader we can assume the devs think so too, but have not had the time needed to retrack and change earlier EDs.

[Jiirix]

Adding WIS to US would have only benefits and no downsides imho.

[MagicBlue]

Adding WIS to US would have only benefits and no downsides imho.

It would add benefit to the character, not to the destiny.

Of course every class could use well that destiny. Why not to add STR also?

Should be better that in all destinies you could choose one on any stat.

[Jiirix]

It would add benefit to the character, not to the destiny.

Of course every class could use well that destiny. Why not to add STR also?

Should be better that in all destinies you could choose one on any stat.

Hard choices are fine and some ED's should come at the drawback not supporting the main-stat for certain builds.
But adding WIS to US wouldn't make US the only and obvious choice for any builds I know of. And it fits in the theme, doesn't it?

Like INT would be a solid addition to Fatesinger. But adding INT or CHA to Shiradi could lead to pigenholing.

[Tlorrd]

I understand the efficacy of US for best defence and healing, but sincerely I do not see the need to put also wisdom as stat.
US is focused on Smite Evil, Lay on Hands and HP, that means charisma and constitution.
Wisdom is not a focus stat for the features of the US destiny.

I would also point out that US gives +1 caster level for clerics, FVS, and paladins for each core. So as seeing this, it makes sense that it should offer Wis as a stat enhancement in my mind.

[Enderoc]

US should have Str Con Charisma as stats if anything

[IronClan]

I think they should make them all six way personally but ED's are one of the biggest Design/execution failures of the game, and then different Dev's came in and piled insult onto injury by treating them differently than the MOTU era Dev's.

There was a time when there weren't SUPPOSED to be off destinies, the specificity was supposed to be flavor and the power was supposed to be flexible and multi purpose.

[slarden]

US is intended to be for tanking. Alot of people like to use it on casters because of the survivability easy button -I used it myself for that reason some. I don't think caster DC stat should be added - if casters want survivability US is already good for that. If they want DC choose another tree.

The only tree I am aware of with 3 stat options is Divine Crusader.

I hope we don't get to where the game is scaled around people running in US with healing from DC twisted in. That would really kill diversity.

[PsychoBlonde]

I think they should make them all six way personally but ED's are one of the biggest Design/execution failures of the game, and then different Dev's came in and piled insult onto injury by treating them differently than the MOTU era Dev's.

There was a time when there weren't SUPPOSED to be off destinies, the specificity was supposed to be flavor and the power was supposed to be flexible and multi purpose.

The problem with destinies is the *wildly* divergent scaling of abilities. There are Tier 4 abilities (energy burst) that are far more powerful and useful than Tier 5's. There are destinies (Primal Avatar) that basically give NOTHING good short of a single Tier 5 ability that requires insane tuning and investment to make it work. There are abilities that are so dramatically more powerful than anything else (Master's Blitz) that they become an idiot button.

The choice with destinies is basically "be a giant pile of cheese, or be horrible" with nearly nothing in between. The 3 divine destinies are the best of the bunch because Crusader is the most recent and EA and US were both updated the most recently. Everything else is a bit of a mess.

I suspect that they want to clean up the other destinies eventually, but enhancements being the priority makes sense. You have to buy destinies but EVERYONE gets enhancements, and it's hard to know how to tune the destinies further until the enhancements are cleaned up and reasonably rationalized.

It says something that when the destinies came out they were pretty much the best-designed part of the game. Now they're among the worst. Lots of improvements have happened.

[Tlorrd]

Just a quick bump, anyone else care to weigh in (including devs )