First mech: some advices? Drow or human?

[Valniel]

Hey guys ! I read the forum a little (I saw few pure and a lot of arty splash) and I was thinking about something like that. Any advice or suggestion? I dunno the class at all.
Is the spell resistance worth taking drow and investing a little in racial tree? Is human better?

Thx !

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Level 20 Lawful Good Drow Male
(20 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 240
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 10
Reflex: 17
Will: 7

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength              8                 12                   12
Dexterity            16                 20                   20
Constitution         14                 18                   18
Intelligence         20                 29                   35
Wisdom                8                 12                   12
Charisma             10                 14                   14

Tomes Used
+4 Tome of Strength used at level 1
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 1
+4 Tome of Constitution used at level 1
+4 Tome of Intelligence used at level 1
+4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 1
+4 Tome of Charisma used at level 1

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)          (Level 20)
Balance               9                 28                   28
Bluff                 6                 25                   25
Concentration         4                  4                    4
Diplomacy             6                 25                   25
Disable Device       11                 35                   38
Haggle                2                 10                   10
Heal                  3                 12.5                 12.5
Hide                  9                 28                   31
Intimidate            2                  3                    3
Jump                  5                 24                   24
Listen                5                 24                   27
Move Silently         9                 28                   31
Open Lock             9                 28                   31
Perform               n/a               n/a                   n/a
Repair                7                 12                   15
Search               11                 35                   38
Spellcraft            7                 12                   12
Spot                  5                 24                   27
Swim                  1                 24                   24
Tumble                n/a               28                   28
Use Magic Device      6                 25                   27

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Bard
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Warlock
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 2 (Rogue)


Level 3 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Rapid Shot


Level 4 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: INT


Level 5 (Rogue)


Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Precise Shot


Level 7 (Rogue)


Level 8 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: INT


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Precision
Enhancement: Drow - Spell Resistance (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Drow Intelligence (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Drow - Spell Resistance (Rank 1)


Level 10 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion


Level 11 (Rogue)


Level 12 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: INT
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons


Level 13 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist


Level 14 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Drow - Drow Intelligence (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Mechanic (Rog) - Arbalester (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Mechanic (Rog) - Tanglefoot (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Mechanic (Rog) - Targeting Sights (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Mechanic (Rog) - Improved Detection (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Mechanic (Rog) - Sharpshooter (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Mechanic (Rog) - Lacerating Shots (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Mechanic (Rog) - Lacerating Shots (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Mechanic (Rog) - Lacerating Shots (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Mechanic (Rog) - Mechanics (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Mechanic (Rog) - Mechanics (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Mechanic (Rog) - Mechanics (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Mechanic (Rog) - Awareness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Mechanic (Rog) - Sharpshooter (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Mechanic (Rog) - Sharpshooter (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Mechanic (Rog) - Use Magical Device (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Mechanic (Rog) - Use Magical Device (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Mechanic (Rog) - Intelligence (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Mechanic (Rog) - Sharpshooter (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Mechanic (Rog) - Fletching (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Mechanic (Rog) - Fletching (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Mechanic (Rog) - Fletching (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Mechanic (Rog) - Leg Shot (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Mechanic (Rog) - Intelligence (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Mechanic (Rog) - Sharpshooter (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Mechanic (Rog) - Rapid Fire (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Mechanic (Rog) - Rapid Fire (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Mechanic (Rog) - Rapid Fire (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Mechanic (Rog) - Sniper (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Mechanic (Rog) - Mechanical Reloader (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Harper Agent - Agent of Good (Rank 1)


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Precise Shot


Level 16 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: INT
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Crippling Strike


Level 17 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Drow - Spell Resistance (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Knife in the Darkness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Stealthy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Stealthy (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Stealthy (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Damage Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Damage Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Damage Boost (Rank 3)


Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Rapid Reload
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Critical Mastery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Critical Mastery (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Critical Mastery (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Intelligence (Rank 1)


Level 19 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Slippery Mind
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Dagger in the Back (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Assassin's Trick (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Killer (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Killer (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Killer (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Intelligence (Rank 1)


Level 20 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: INT
Enhancement: Harper Agent - Harper Enchantment (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Harper Agent - Strategic Combat I (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Harper Agent - Know The Angles (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Harper Agent - Know The Angles (Rank 2)

PS: I totally forgot but I have +4 sovereign tome, and some past life (2pally, 1 bard, 1 warlock, pdk, bladeforged, brace, skill mastery)

[unbongwah]

Drow gets +2 base DEX & INT and up to +2 INT from enhancements, which is obviously useful to a Mechanic; human gets 1 extra feat and racial Damage Boost (stacks with Ranged Power Boost), which is also obviously useful to a Mechanic. So it's a question of which perks you want more; usually human is preferred, even though drow can hit higher max INT.

Is this just for a heroic PL or do you plan to run epics?

[Valniel]

Drow gets +2 base DEX & INT and up to +2 INT from enhancements, which is obviously useful to a Mechanic; human gets 1 extra feat and racial Damage Boost (stacks with Ranged Power Boost), which is also obviously useful to a Mechanic. So it's a question of which perks you want more; usually human is preferred, even though drow can hit higher max INT.

Is this just for a heroic PL or do you plan to run epics?

Thanks ! So a drow should have better sustainable dps and human better burst dps? Unless one feat manage to make a big difference between them.



I'm not sure yet, first ranged char, if I like it I'll do one epic past life or tr into shadar kai and then make one etr and one itr. To sum up, it's quite possible I'll run epics with a mech rogue.

[unbongwah]

I would say the extra feat is more important if you want to stay pure rogue. On human you can take: PBS (1), Rapid Reload (1), Rapid Shot (3), Precision (6), Prec Shot (9), IC:Ranged (12), Imp Prec Shot (15), Insightful Reflexes (18), Overwhelming Crit (21), Combat Archery (24), Holy Strike (26), Imp Sneak Atk (27), Doubleshot (28). On a non-human, you have to drop either Insightful Reflexes or a DPS feat.

EDIT: since this is an HTR, I would suggest taking heavy repeater prof. as your lvl 3 feat so you can use them right away; then swap it for Rapid Shot before taking lvl 12, which is when you gain hvy repeaters free from Mechanic. Or you can tweak the feat order so you take hvy repeater @ lvl 3, Rapid Shot at 6, Precision at 9, then swap hvy repeater for Prec Shot at lvl 12.

[Hobgoblin]

I would say the extra feat is more important if you want to stay pure rogue. On human you can take: PBS (1), Rapid Reload (1), Rapid Shot (3), Precision (6), Prec Shot (9), IC:Ranged (12), Imp Prec Shot (15), Insightful Reflexes (18), Overwhelming Crit (21), Combat Archery (24), Holy Strike (26), Imp Sneak Atk (27), Doubleshot (28). On a non-human, you have to drop either Insightful Reflexes or a DPS feat.

^this

also, if you go human you can spread out your ap lil bit better

for 1 pt - you get the good burst damage - for 3 pts you get 1 more int

so you can do something like this -

47 pts mech 24 pts assassin 15 pts harper.

on a drow you reduce that by alot - you will be spending more pts in drow for more int, and some perhaps better defenses

[unbongwah]

47 pts mech 24 pts assassin 15 pts harper.

47 + 24 + 15 = 86. And that's without human tree.

I would say 41-44 APs Mechanic, 23 APs Assassin (max Killer), 3 APs Acrobat (Fast Movement), 1 AP human (Dmg Boost), with everything else dumped into Harper (KtA, up to +5 Ranged Power).

[Livmo]

For extra feat and heal amp from the racial tree. I roll UMD so I get the hjeals out of wjands and scjrolls.

[Hobgoblin]

47 + 24 + 15 = 86. And that's without human tree.

I would say 41-44 APs Mechanic, 23 APs Assassin (max Killer), 3 APs Acrobat (Fast Movement), 1 AP human (Dmg Boost), with everything else dumped into Harper (KtA, up to +5 Ranged Power).

details!

i was just going from memory on my pallyrog and i know at one point i had 47 pts in mech.

[Valniel]

I would say the extra feat is more important if you want to stay pure rogue. On human you can take: PBS (1), Rapid Reload (1), Rapid Shot (3), Precision (6), Prec Shot (9), IC:Ranged (12), Imp Prec Shot (15), Insightful Reflexes (18), Overwhelming Crit (21), Combat Archery (24), Holy Strike (26), Imp Sneak Atk (27), Doubleshot (28). On a non-human, you have to drop either Insightful Reflexes or a DPS feat.

EDIT: since this is an HTR, I would suggest taking heavy repeater prof. as your lvl 3 feat so you can use them right away; then swap it for Rapid Shot before taking lvl 12, which is when you gain hvy repeaters free from Mechanic. Or you can tweak the feat order so you take hvy repeater @ lvl 3, Rapid Shot at 6, Precision at 9, then swap hvy repeater for Prec Shot at lvl 12.

Ty, and ty everyone. Yes, swaping isn't a problem at all.

I still don't know what to choose. Human seems to be a better choice because one more feat and using 3 less ap in racial would be nice. Drow would make some change too, my 2 pally life was human and bard too kinda. If I take drow, what dps feat should I drop?

And what about abilities? Seems good? Should I drop some dex for more con?

Combat archery without a better tome (I won't have +5) can be a problem for drow (1 point) and a bigger one for human I guess.

Can a drow with 2 arty splash can be better than pure drow or pure human? The capstone from mech doesn't seems to make a huge difference but it's the same for the benefit of 2 arty (don't care about conjure bolts for example) ... Maybe I'm wrong.

[Hobgoblin]

Ty, and ty everyone. Yes, swaping isn't a problem at all.

I still don't know what to choose. Human seems to be a better choice because one more feat and using 3 less ap in racial would be nice. Drow would make some change too, my 2 pally life was human and bard too kinda. If I take drow, what dps feat should I drop?

And what about abilities? Seems good? Should I drop some dex for more con?

i like human better - but drow is still solid

if you are going to drop a feat - drop insight reflexes you will still have a decent save

for your stats i wouldn't drop dex any - i would find a way to get 1 more point of dex or get a +5 dex tome
you want compat archery and you need a 21 dex for that

just some thoughts

[Saekee]

i like human better - but drow is still solid

if you are going to drop a feat - drop insight reflexes you will still have a decent save

for your stats i wouldn't drop dex any - i would find a way to get 1 more point of dex or get a +5 dex tome
you want compat archery and you need a 21 dex for that

just some thoughts

Seconded! Combat Archery adds +1W which is excellent on a Great XBow given its massive base damage. It would be better to divert level ups to Dex in order to get it over the bonuses from a couple of level-ups in INT.

[FranOhmsford]

I would say the extra feat is more important if you want to stay pure rogue. On human you can take: PBS (1), Rapid Reload (1), Rapid Shot (3), Precision (6), Prec Shot (9), IC:Ranged (12), Imp Prec Shot (15), Insightful Reflexes (18), Overwhelming Crit (21), Combat Archery (24), Holy Strike (26), Imp Sneak Atk (27), Doubleshot (28). On a non-human, you have to drop either Insightful Reflexes or a DPS feat.

EDIT: since this is an HTR, I would suggest taking heavy repeater prof. as your lvl 3 feat so you can use them right away; then swap it for Rapid Shot before taking lvl 12, which is when you gain hvy repeaters free from Mechanic. Or you can tweak the feat order so you take hvy repeater @ lvl 3, Rapid Shot at 6, Precision at 9, then swap hvy repeater for Prec Shot at lvl 12.

Insightful Reflexes should be taken long before Lvl 18!

Has the OP considered an Arti Splash for free Rapid Reload, free heavy repeater prof, a lever puller puppy and possibly Rune-Arm?