Level 30 and your Epic TRs

[Grosbeak07]

LOLz lower the xp curve some more so what do all the players who ground out those past lives at 4.3 and 3.8 million xp get in return for making it easier for you to obtain the same PL. Go buy some Otto's boxes and 50 pots I have plenty of first life toons that are doing just fine in heroics and epics play your role and learn how to play your game the person behind the keyboard can make all the difference in the world.

Maybe Turbine can offer a few new Character starting options

Heroic Completionist - 74k TP that looks about right 15x4900tp per life

Iconic Completionist - 125k TP

Heroic 3x - 200k TP

Iconic 3x 300k TP

Epic Completionist - 12 past lives 1.2 mil TP

Epic x 3 - 36 past lives 3.6 mil TP

Sounds fair to me

maybe put green steel weapons seals shard scrolls epic items all named quest loot heck just put anything you want on the DDO store just spend so TP getting it all....


Perfect P2W end game

You didn't read anything. But thanks for the laugh.

[SoulDuster]

You didn't read anything. But thanks for the laugh.

QUOTE

I hate grinding and i still play. I don't do it either.

My problem I think really boils down to the idea that I I have no option to make my character "as good" (note: not the same!) as another, because I don't have the time. Gear helps, but doesn't compare to someone who has stacks upon stacks of Past Lives.

To me the solution is easing the (time) requirements to achieve past lives by lowering the amount of xp needed for both Heroic and Epic TR's. They lowered the heroic already once, i'd like to see that 3rd tier go away.

I know that the marketing back in 2006 that portrayed this game as the anti-grind, has become nothing but grind argument has gone out the window long ago, but I would like to see the game shift back towards that idea.




What can't I read. Your statement not mine.......

You are discounting all of my achievements and want took me considerable time and effort to achieve by making it easier than ever to do the same things.

No one makes this game a grind other than the person grinding on it. You don't like the grind I don't like the Whine. Go get some cheese to go with your whine.

Solution Remove all xp bonus items no more ottos no more xp pots or bonus xp go earn it and learn how to play you must be one of the younger generation that is entitled at birth. No work ethic no backbone and no ability to earn or obtain something for yourself. Gimme Gimme Gimme

Good thing I dont set the xp curve 5mil heroic 10mil epic end of story. go play WoW


Better idea yet

New Turbine Server

Whine to Win --- Send all you I want it easier and you can run Casual quests on Heroic and Epic all day and night forget xp just make your toon a Demi-God at inception

[jalont]

Yep, that's why I edited my post. Iconics provide a 2 for 1 deal and I'm OK with them requiring a little more xp.

Never mind the fact that going 15-28 is much faster than going 1-20, and I assme 15-30 will be much faster as well.

[SoulDuster]

Never mind the fact that going 15-28 is much faster than going 1-20, and I assme 15-30 will be much faster as well.

15-28 3 days

15-30 5 days

1-20 first life hours second life a day 3rd life 3 days

xp is free in ddo gobs and gobs of xp learn how to grab it and take it just that simple

[Qhualor]

Never mind the fact that going 15-28 is much faster than going 1-20, and I assme 15-30 will be much faster as well.

that would depend on individual players. for me, i can go from 1-20 or 15-28 in about the same time. the difference is in heroics i one and done soloing most of the way to 20. from 20-28 im jumping from lfm to lfm doing whatever quest once per day. i have no idea what the epic xp will look like, but i would imagine an extra 2 levels might take a tad longer than right now.

[Grosbeak07]

QUOTE

I hate grinding and i still play. I don't do it either.

My problem I think really boils down to the idea that I I have no option to make my character "as good" (note: not the same!) as another, because I don't have the time. Gear helps, but doesn't compare to someone who has stacks upon stacks of Past Lives.

To me the solution is easing the (time) requirements to achieve past lives by lowering the amount of xp needed for both Heroic and Epic TR's. They lowered the heroic already once, i'd like to see that 3rd tier go away.

I know that the marketing back in 2006 that portrayed this game as the anti-grind, has become nothing but grind argument has gone out the window long ago, but I would like to see the game shift back towards that idea.




What can't I read. Your statement not mine.......

You are discounting all of my achievements and want took me considerable time and effort to achieve by making it easier than ever to do the same things.

No one makes this game a grind other than the person grinding on it. You don't like the grind I don't like the Whine. Go get some cheese to go with your whine.

Solution Remove all xp bonus items no more ottos no more xp pots or bonus xp go earn it and learn how to play you must be one of the younger generation that is entitled at birth. No work ethic no backbone and no ability to earn or obtain something for yourself. Gimme Gimme Gimme

Good thing I dont set the xp curve 5mil heroic 10mil epic end of story. go play WoW


Better idea yet

New Turbine Server

Whine to Win --- Send all you I want it easier and you can run Casual quests on Heroic and Epic all day and night forget xp just make your toon a Demi-God at inception

Sorry, I'm not following.

I assume you are trying to belittle or mock me, yet I haven't advocated for any of the gibberish above.

And no, I am not of the "younger" generation.

But thank you for trying. I guess i should feel honored your mighty in game achievements are threatened by this filthy casual.

Bottom ilne, Devs don't care what I think or what you think. They will do whatever it is they are going to do. I've said my piece, liked some other alternative suggestions and that's enough.

[RobbinB]

No it was always suppose to be xp cap and that shouldn't change

No, it might have been planned originally to increase once the xp cap changed, but given the long time that the cap has been 28 it doesn't make logical sense to do this any longer. Newer players to the game shouldn't have to work significantly harder to get their epic tr's done. Sticking to the original plan is not sensible and creates bad will between players and devs.

[RobbinB]

they stated right from the start when the cap was raised you would have to be cap'd to ETR it has been a known fact since ETR existed and its also know that more levels should take more xp

And right from the start I stated and have continued to state that that was a bad plan and would create bad will between devs and players when it happened. ETR can be allowed at level 28 while still making players get xp if they wnat to reach levels 29 and 30.

[Qhualor]

No, it might have been planned originally to increase once the xp cap changed, but given the long time that the cap has been 28 it doesn't make logical sense to do this any longer. Newer players to the game shouldn't have to work significantly harder to get their epic tr's done. Sticking to the original plan is not sensible and creates bad will between players and devs.

how do newer players work harder for past lives when it would be viewed as normal to them? honestly i think ER shouldn't have been possible until level 30 was firmly in place. for that matter i still have issues with epic past lives since you don't do an actual reincarnation and i stated that back in the beginning.

[RobbinB]

If you still allow people to etr at 28, then don't even bother creating "endgame" content. No one is going to the new content, and no one is going to ever take levels 29 and 30.

Not true. Keep the "Epic" cap at level 28. Make levels 29 and 30 (and any they want to introduced after that) part of "mythic" levels. Make that xp a one time thing, ie if you level to 30, then epic TR, once you have returned to 28 you go straight to 30. No Mythic TR merry-go-round either. There's been enough of that.

Have xp gained at the new 30+ cap go to small "bonuses" that aren't tied into levels at all, thereby one never feels xp is "wasted" playing on a capped toon compared to an uncapped one.

[SoulDuster]

No, it might have been planned originally to increase once the xp cap changed, but given the long time that the cap has been 28 it doesn't make logical sense to do this any longer. Newer players to the game shouldn't have to work significantly harder to get their epic tr's done. Sticking to the original plan is not sensible and creates bad will between players and devs.

Does that mean when a new class is added I should keep my Completionist feat Sniffle Sniffle

Lmao Levels go up xp goes up no bad blood between devs and players just devs and the rest

Would love to see some Mythic Reincarnations added to the cycle

[SoulDuster]

Sorry, I'm not following.

I assume you are trying to belittle or mock me, yet I haven't advocated for any of the gibberish above.

And no, I am not of the "younger" generation.

But thank you for trying. I guess i should feel honored your mighty in game achievements are threatened by this filthy casual.

Bottom ilne, Devs don't care what I think or what you think. They will do whatever it is they are going to do. I've said my piece, liked some other alternative suggestions and that's enough.

No need to belittle anyone its just to bad you don't put the same amount of effort into improving your toon as you do into your making the game easier. I have never felt threatened in my entire life least of all by someone who needs the xp curve lowered to achieve anything in this game. I play with all kinds of players from rookies to elitist players far beyond my abilities however I try to learn what I can from each and everyone of those players I group with. All the Devs care what we think or this forum would not exist at all. I doubt a Dev decides what is going to or not going to happen in any given situation. I am sure a board of directors much like in any corporate structure make most of those calls and the Devs do their job and execute them to the best of their ability.

If your not of the younger generation then MAN UP and Learn how to play

[esojiul]

QUOTE

I hate grinding and i still play. I don't do it either.

My problem I think really boils down to the idea that I I have no option to make my character "as good" (note: not the same!) as another, because I don't have the time. Gear helps, but doesn't compare to someone who has stacks upon stacks of Past Lives.

To me the solution is easing the (time) requirements to achieve past lives by lowering the amount of xp needed for both Heroic and Epic TR's. They lowered the heroic already once, i'd like to see that 3rd tier go away.

I know that the marketing back in 2006 that portrayed this game as the anti-grind, has become nothing but grind argument has gone out the window long ago, but I would like to see the game shift back towards that idea.




What can't I read. Your statement not mine.......

You are discounting all of my achievements and want took me considerable time and effort to achieve by making it easier than ever to do the same things.

No one makes this game a grind other than the person grinding on it. You don't like the grind I don't like the Whine. Go get some cheese to go with your whine.

Solution Remove all xp bonus items no more ottos no more xp pots or bonus xp go earn it and learn how to play you must be one of the younger generation that is entitled at birth. No work ethic no backbone and no ability to earn or obtain something for yourself. Gimme Gimme Gimme

Good thing I dont set the xp curve 5mil heroic 10mil epic end of story. go play WoW


Better idea yet

New Turbine Server

Whine to Win --- Send all you I want it easier and you can run Casual quests on Heroic and Epic all day and night forget xp just make your toon a Demi-God at inception

Fair, but the value it unfair to people who spend time on the game, to get complesionist. The could be the values

Heroic Completionist - 1,000,000 TP

Iconic Completionist - 1,000,000 TP

Heroic 3x - 480,000 TP

Iconic 3x 480000 TP

Epic Completionist - 1,200,000 TP

[gphysalis]

While this was likely never stated on the forums, the big reason for Reincarnation in the 1st place was to give players something to do BETWEEN content updates. However over time, this has gotted corrupted where content updates are something we are now doing BETWEEN TR's.

This needs to be brought into consideration. TR'ing was introduced to the game when there wasn't really enough content (at any level pretty much) as a way to keep players engaged until more was produced. Now as we reach the end of character vertical progression (from here on out, it should be horizontal, meaning more classes, PRE's and Races etc.), its really time to reduce this grind and get people actually playing content again.

Players may be running your content, but they are not "playing".

Less Grind, More Fun

/peace

I have seen an idea suggested before that XP give people benefits when gained at cap. This could make an interesting choice between staying at cap and TRing.
Possibly something like this could be from epic greensteel

Epic Living Greensteel Helm of Toughness:
+HP
1Mxp = 1hp
3Mxp = 2hp
...

[Jasparion]

While it shouldnt take a massive amount it should take more xp to gain 2 more levels

I agree. It has been mentioned that there is lots of new content so levelling is fine. Here is the question: what percentage of people run the new content when levelling, and what percentage run the same handful of dungeons over and over?

That said, 7.5 million XP to level 30 seems reasonable. A bit more XP for a couple more levels. Should be smoothed out too so that 20 to 21 is a bit less than 29 to 30 - but not massively less.

[RobbinB]

Does that mean when a new class is added I should keep my Completionist feat Sniffle Sniffle

Lmao Levels go up xp goes up no bad blood between devs and players just devs and the rest

Would love to see some Mythic Reincarnations added to the cycle

Nope. Grandfathering completionist for those who already have it is unfair to the new players who would have to complete additional classes, just like making new players earn more xp for the same epic completionist is unfair. But thanks for making my point for me.

And please kill me before adding Mythic Reincarnations.

[Axeyu]

wow. What a complete non-issue.

[Uska]

No, it might have been planned originally to increase once the xp cap changed, but given the long time that the cap has been 28 it doesn't make logical sense to do this any longer. Newer players to the game shouldn't have to work significantly harder to get their epic tr's done. Sticking to the original plan is not sensible and creates bad will between players and devs.

Why does having the cap at 28 so long make it logical to keep ETR there that makes zero sense and sticking to original plan is the only thing that does make sense and yes new players should have to work harder if the goal has been set further,


No I don't have epic completionist I play for fun not to grind nobody has to have past lives but if they want them they should ear them

[Uska]

Not true. Keep the "Epic" cap at level 28. Make levels 29 and 30 (and any they want to introduced after that) part of "mythic" levels. Make that xp a one time thing, ie if you level to 30, then epic TR, once you have returned to 28 you go straight to 30. No Mythic TR merry-go-round either. There's been enough of that.

Have xp gained at the new 30+ cap go to small "bonuses" that aren't tied into levels at all, thereby one never feels xp is "wasted" playing on a capped toon compared to an uncapped one.

If 28 is ETR point then they shouldn't add 29 and 30 and your instant bump to 30 from 28 after doing it once is terrible

[nubbinns]

No I don't have epic completionist I play for fun not to grind nobody has to have past lives but if they want them they should ear them

Right, everyone should play like you do. Except that in this case you don't even play for epic lives, so you just want people to play the way you think they should play. Seems legit. Spam this thread more, please.