Night Revel Key Drop?

[kastor1994]

I hopped in to the night revels with my cleric, and quickly nabbed myself 4 keys within about 20 minutes, and then... they stopped dropping.

Did I just get insanely lucky before? or is there a cap on the keys, so that you can only get x many in like an hour? what have you all noticed?

[Isolani]

I have found 3 in a couple minutes, then had stretches where I don't find any for 10+ minutes. It's just luck it seems.

[knightgf]

It's just luck it seems.

Psuedo-luck.

If it's Psuedo-random, it can also be Psuedo-luck.

[kastor1994]

OFC I post this thread after an hour lull, but the moment i post this another key drops.

Either its luck, or the cap is reset after an hour.

[Ykt]

I got about 50 keys in ~5 hours

[Casareena]

I was going round slaying everything in sight that din't slay me 1st...liches are SO mean! But I wasn't dying every two minutes...my husband key...key...key....me: where are the keys! I tell you he nicked them all...:O

[morkahn82]

drop rate is just about right.

[Rubix]

I got about 50 keys in ~5 hours

This is about right. Got 10 in an hour with two different accounts.

[Cantor]

Grouping helps a lot. Get a group or raid group together and camp an area. Spawns improve a lot. Only problem is people who want to come steal your spawns with aoes but not joining you because they think soloing is better rewards. It's not. You will get way more if you get a large group.

[Grandern_Marn]

Drop rate is about right but seems kind of spotty, out of a raid group of 12 one person will get three or four in a row while others are in need of keys. In the preview day I may have run 2 or three hours and saw this happen a few times. It would be good if we had an algorithm in here that increases the drop rate for others in the group when one person gets 2 in a row.

[Nestroy]

The drop rate in the long run is perfectly OK. About 1 chocklate chip once every 4 or so mobs and about one key every 50s or the like. But I had stretches of 100s of mobs w/o key and dozens w/o chocklate. And then I had a chocklate every mob and 3 keys in 3 minutes. Drop rates seem very random indeed to me.

[Rawrargh]

Pulled 15 keys in about an hour solo, this was on a warlock however able to oneshot every pack I jumped into.

[moomooprincess]

Last night my ratio was around 10 chocolates to 1 key.

Today, the ratio dropped. I have 215 chocolates, but I only had/have 14 keys. So maybe the ratio is a little higher, maybe 15 to 1.

If I take the average of the two guesses, that puts it around 12.5 to 1. I will round up because nothing can ever be in the players favor, so it is for every 13 chocolates I get one key.

Pure unadulterated guess. Based on a very low dataset.

[Thar]

I hopped in to the night revels with my cleric, and quickly nabbed myself 4 keys within about 20 minutes, and then... they stopped dropping.

Did I just get insanely lucky before? or is there a cap on the keys, so that you can only get x many in like an hour? what have you all noticed?

I found one in an hour. then used it and found one (and only one) in 15 went into the next quest... came out and found one ...

not sure if i was lucky but when at zero they dropped good but afterwards not so much.

chocolate was dropping more last night. solo once ever 3 mobs. today about 1/10.

[holfrar]

i posted this in another thread

ok just looking at the numbers for the robe of night

You can't just buy a level 24 one, you have to get the lowest and upgrade.
In order to do so you need
1400 Chocolate
180 Spooky Almond
240 Shadowy Caramel
360 Pinch of Sinister Cinnamon
480 Black Apple

Now i have run each quest once (using the 4 free keys) and got 15 of each ingredients (that's 15 of one type per quest) and another 15 when i used a key that dropped
so i am going to assume that 15 is the max (at lvl 24 all 5 stars)
If that is the case, you have to run 84 quests in order to get the main ingredients and 'who knows how long' to get the chocolate.
Oh and of course you need to get 84 keys.....

I have spent nearly 2 hours in the graveyard, running a store bought draught. and have 125 chocolate, 3 keys and 15 of each other mat (30 cinnamon as i ran that twice.)

Looking at the numbers, hope you don't want more than one thing from the event..
(wraps,cloak,robe and docent all require the same amount)

Now i found out after that the max mats you can get is 23 by running the quests 5+ levels above yours.
So that brings it down to 58 keys needed to get one item.

My opinion is that the key drop rate is not 'OK'
Even at 10 keys an hour, and 100 chocs an hour (and that seems to be a max amount from all that i have read) that's 6 hours to get the keys and you are still short 800 chocs.
so you are either forced to buy a draught from the store and run elsewhere for chocs (meaning no keys) or you can get a pot from the turn-in (which cost more mats meaning more keys) and go farm elsewhere.

And then you have to run the quests 58 times.
So you are looking at a minimum of 11+ hours of 'perfect' farming in order to get one of the level 24 items.
This does not include any other time, SP replenish, toilet breaks, smoke breaks, food breaks, rebuffing etc etc.

That's a long time during a short event (not everyone can play 30 hours a day 9 days a week) and it's not like i am talking about people wanting everything, this is just one item.

They need to up the drop rates of keys/lower the amounts of mats needed/let us buy keys with chocs or a combo of all 3.
If the event was on for a month or permanent then i can understand the amounts.

But it's not, it's for a week once a year (unless they decide to replay it at some point)

[Krelar]

Grouping helps a lot. Get a group or raid group together and camp an area. Spawns improve a lot. Only problem is people who want to come steal your spawns with aoes but not joining you because they think soloing is better rewards. It's not. You will get way more if you get a large group.

I found the exact opposite, as soon as I joined a group of 5/6 my key drop rate plummeted. (Despite the group killing far more than 5-6 times as many mobs as I could kill solo.)

[Xahtep]

i posted this in another thread


Now i found out after that the max mats you can get is 23 by running the quests 5+ levels above yours.
So that brings it down to 58 keys needed to get one item.

My opinion is that the key drop rate is not 'OK'
Even at 10 keys an hour, and 100 chocs an hour (and that seems to be a max amount from all that i have read) that's 6 hours to get the keys and you are still short 800 chocs.
so you are either forced to buy a draught from the store and run elsewhere for chocs (meaning no keys) or you can get a pot from the turn-in (which cost more mats meaning more keys) and go farm elsewhere.

And then you have to run the quests 58 times.
So you are looking at a minimum of 11+ hours of 'perfect' farming in order to get one of the level 24 items.
This does not include any other time, SP replenish, toilet breaks, smoke breaks, food breaks, rebuffing etc etc.

That's a long time during a short event (not everyone can play 30 hours a day 9 days a week) and it's not like i am talking about people wanting everything, this is just one item.

They need to up the drop rates of keys/lower the amounts of mats needed/let us buy keys with chocs or a combo of all 3.
If the event was on for a month or permanent then i can understand the amounts.

But it's not, it's for a week once a year (unless they decide to replay it at some point)

Spending 25 tp on a draught of even buying it with mats is a good investment, i gor 1200 chocs by runing each quest 2 times. Still as you say, the key drooprate should be higer.

[moomooprincess]

I added up my efforts yesterday. I did not buy nor have any item(s) that would improve my numbers(AFAIK). I am NOT including the free 4 ever lasting keys. But I will be using those up so as not to use up a valuable inventory space for one year.

Chocolate = 621
Keys = 40

Ratio = 15.5 chocolates to 1 key

I don't measure my game play in minutes or hours.


I now have my strategy planned out for when the event goes live next week.

[LevelJ]

My experience (and others had the same), was that the key droprate appears to be the same (and fairly high), but each time a key "drops", it is randomly distributed to one member of a party (although it appears there were a few occasions where two dropped simultaneously, usually to the same person). As a result, the more members of a party there are, the less you personally will get.

As an example, during my runs of the preview, I noted that in 15 minutes, I was able to nab 7 keys while solo, slaying fairly decently-sized groups of mobs. Then a guildy joined, and we both joined a 9-member party (for a total of 11 players). Mob count went very high, and we got tons killed. That said, it took me well over an hour to obtain 7 more keys. Additionally, I noted that the keys were still showing up just as often in party chat for various party members, at a similar rate to when I had been going solo, if not slightly higher. As party members gradually began to drop for the night, my rate of obtaining keys increased.

Overall, I obtained around 40 keys during a 5-hour period or so. But the only periods where I obtained them quickly was when party numbers were low, or when I was running solo. I really didn't pay much attention to chocolate droprates admittedly, although I obtained about 380 chocolates during those runs.


-Jayron

[Faltout]

My experience (and others had the same), was that the key droprate appears to be the same (and fairly high), but each time a key "drops", it is randomly distributed to one member of a party (although it appears there were a few occasions where two dropped simultaneously, usually to the same person). As a result, the more members of a party there are, the less you personally will get.

As an example, during my runs of the preview, I noted that in 15 minutes, I was able to nab 7 keys while solo, slaying fairly decently-sized groups of mobs. Then a guildy joined, and we both joined a 9-member party (for a total of 11 players). Mob count went very high, and we got tons killed. That said, it took me well over an hour to obtain 7 more keys. Additionally, I noted that the keys were still showing up just as often in party chat for various party members, at a similar rate to when I had been going solo, if not slightly higher. As party members gradually began to drop for the night, my rate of obtaining keys increased.

Overall, I obtained around 40 keys during a 5-hour period or so. But the only periods where I obtained them quickly was when party numbers were low, or when I was running solo. I really didn't pay much attention to chocolate droprates admittedly, although I obtained about 380 chocolates during those runs.


-Jayron

What you experienced during soloing is called "kill-stealing". You said you were slaying fairly decent-sized groups of mobs. if you were alone, you would only be slaying 2-3 mobs at a time. More mobs means other players were nearby affecting the number of your spawns. However, you killed all of the spawns. That means that you got 10 kills and they got 0. If you were in a party with the nearby people, the whole party would get 10 kills, so about 2 kills per person.

That's why it seemed like a higher drop rate. Because you were taking advantage of the other people in the graveyard while soloing. However, if you compare being alone in an area and being with a party in an area, you'll notice that the spawns increase due to more players while the kill time decreases because of multiple AOE effects. That's why you get more drops in a group.