Changes to Tomes

[Tolero]

Good evening! Changes are coming to Tomes in the upcoming patch, which will also result in some price changes to reflect the improved functionality...

As of 28.1, all Stat tomes and Skill tomes will now be able to be used below level, and the stat increase will apply the appropriate amount as you level (this is similar behavior to what players already experience after performing a true reincarnation with a character that has consumed a stat tome). This change is not retroactive and will only affect newly dropped/purchased tomes. So a character who loots a tome or gets a tome from the Store after patch 1 will be able to activate the tome immediately, and the game will apply the bonus as you reach each of the required levels (e.g. for a +1 bonus to ability scores you need to reach level 3, for a +2 bonus, you need to reach level 7, for a +3 bonus you need to reach level 11, and so on).

Tome pricing has been increased to account for the improvement, and will be as follows starting with Update 28.1 (to summarize the below lists: a 50 point price difference).

Basic Stat Tomes
Bonus - Old Price - New Price
1 - 355 - 395
2 - 595 - 645
3 - 895 - 945
4 - 1195 - 1245
5 - 1395 - 1445
6 - 1595 - 1645
7 - 1795 - 1845

Supreme Stat Tomes
Bonus - Old Price - New Price
1 - 1495 - 1545
2 - 2495 - 2545
3 - 3495 - 3545
4 - 4495 - 4545
5 - 4795 - 4845
6 - 5095 - 5145
7 - 5395 - 5445

Upgrade Stat Tomes
Bonus - Old Price - New Price

1 to 2 - 295 - 345
2 to 3 - 495 - 545
3 to 4 - 795 - 845
4 to 5 - 895 - 945
5 to 6 - 995 - 1045
6 to 7 - 1095 - 1145

Supreme Upgrade Stat Tomes
Bonus - Old Price - New Price

1 to 2 - 1295 - 1345
2 to 3 - 1995 - 2045
3 to 4 - 2995 - 3045
4 to 5 - 2995 - 3045
5 to 6 - 3995 - 4045
6 to 7 - 4295 - 4345

Skill non UMD
Bonus - Old Price - New Price
1 - 195 - 245
2 - 295 - 345
3 - 495 - 545
4 - 695 - 745
5 - 895 - 945

non UMD 6 stack
Bonus - Old Price - New Price
1 - 895 - 945
2 - 995 - 1045
3 - 1795 - 1845
4 - 2495 - 2545
5 - 2995 - 3045

UMD skill tomes
Bonus - Old Price - New Price
1 - 695 - 745
2 - 895 - 945
3 - 1195 - 1245
4 - 1495 - 1545
5 - 1995 - 2045

[cdbd3rd]

We could really use something on our character sheet that notes what tome(s) we've eaten.
Stats AND Skills.


This is going to apply even more so now that we can eat them early on any life, as opposed to just TRs having to remember what tomes they have on specific abilities.

[Vargouille]

We could really use something on our character sheet that notes what tome(s) we've eaten.
Stats AND Skills.

It will be in your character sheet feat list for Ability score tomes.

Due to some technical issues we couldn't do this easily for Skill Tomes (though we'll keep trying to find a reasonable way to do this).

[Qhualor]

will it show on the character sheet that you have already eaten a tome before you reach the appropriate level it applies? I can see this could be a problem with players who forgot they already ate a tome. I know I would be reluctant to buy tomes if I was unsure.

I don't understand why the price increases just because you can eat tomes at lower levels. its not like you can benefit from them until the appropriate level. I wouldn't exactly call that an improvement, more saving bank space for players really. putting on my tinfoil hat it tells me it has more to do with tomes rarely dropping in game. its been months since ive even seen a tome drop across all levels. I see at best 2-3 drop per year and that is including both stat and skill tomes.

edit: NVM. Varg answered the first question.

[Ykt]

having to remember what tomes they have on specific abilities.

A piece of processed wood and a graphite stick.

Or as our ancestors would call it: pencil and paper.

Use the pencil to draw symbols on the paper. The symbols should be meaningful enough to express what tomes you have used on your character.

[FranOhmsford]

Can we please get +1 Stat and Skill Tomes put back into the in-game rotation at a reasonable drop-rate outside of Saga rewards

Because it's absolutely no use having a 1-2 Upgrade if the only way to get the 1 is to buy it from the Store or lose out on a minimum of 15k Guild Renown!

Can we please also get a +2-3 Upgrade option in the 1750 Favour Reward List

It's not going to help a lot of people who will already have +3 to all stats by now anyway but will be of help to newer players and alts.

Further to the above - Can you make the Favour Tomes BtA rather than BtC

I've got literally hundreds of Pure Eberron Shards now and no reason to use the things!

I suppose you could make those more useful {Especially as you're supposedly looking at updating Cannith Crafting} but I still think the Favour Tomes should be BtA rather than BtC.

[FranOhmsford]

I don't understand why the price increases just because you can eat tomes at lower levels. its not like you can benefit from them until the appropriate level. I wouldn't exactly call that an improvement, more saving bank space for players really. putting on my tinfoil hat it tells me it has more to do with tomes rarely dropping in game. its been months since ive even seen a tome drop across all levels. I see at best 2-3 drop per year and that is including both stat and skill tomes.

It's pretty obvious the price hike was going to happen anyway and the Devs are just sweetening the deal a little.

[PsychoBlonde]

will it show on the character sheet that you have already eaten a tome before you reach the appropriate level it applies? I can see this could be a problem with players who forgot they already ate a tome. I know I would be reluctant to buy tomes if I was unsure.

I don't understand why the price increases just because you can eat tomes at lower levels. its not like you can benefit from them until the appropriate level. I wouldn't exactly call that an improvement, more saving bank space for players really. putting on my tinfoil hat it tells me it has more to do with tomes rarely dropping in game. its been months since ive even seen a tome drop across all levels. I see at best 2-3 drop per year and that is including both stat and skill tomes.

edit: NVM. Varg answered the first question.

I still see a fair number of tomes drop (and remember that you can get a +2 and a +5 every life free from favor), but since tomes now last through TR they dialed way back on the drop rates for unbound tomes. The old drop rate made sense when you needed a fresh set of tomes every single life and anything above a +2 was basically raid loot anyway.

My suggestion would be to make all tomes unbound--I have +5 to +7 tomes on all of my characters and it PAINS me to get tomes I can't use but that other people would be glad to take.

But I really like this change a lot, it drives me bonkers when I get a new skill tome that I can't use yet.

I would also STRONGLY suggest that if Reaper difficulty ever materializes that the drop rate of tomes be substantially higher on Reaper along with drops of guild ship amenities, astral shards, xp pots, and other DDO store items. One of the best points of this game is that if you have the endurance to farm, you CAN play the whole thing for free. And I'd rather not see Reaper-specific gear, thanks. Having a decent chance to get free stuff that you would otherwise have to buy would be plenty to push me to play Reaper whenever I could rustle up a group for it.

[TitusOvid]

I don't understand why the price increases just because you can eat tomes at lower levels.

And you took away a liitle advantage of the 1. TR

A penny saved is a penny earned.
Looks deperate, doesn't it?

... I still think the Favour Tomes should be BtA rather than BtC.

No sorry, favor rewards should be associated with the toon which got the favor.

But an overhaul of the favor rewards is in order, devs. Don't you think?

[Hafeal]

A piece of processed wood and a graphite stick.

Or as our ancestors would call it: pencil and paper.

Use the pencil to draw symbols on the paper. The symbols should be meaningful enough to express what tomes you have used on your character.

A pencil is so third century.

We have these confangled devices nowadays in this 21st century ... what are they called again... oh, yes, PRINTERS. Sure be fun to have a PRINTABLE character sheet. Then we could use that pencil all over them!

[cdbd3rd]

A piece of processed wood and a graphite stick.

Or as our ancestors would call it: pencil and paper.

Use the pencil to draw symbols on the paper. The symbols should be meaningful enough to express what tomes you have used on your character.

*Chuckle*

If you could see my desk...

[lifestaker]

I don't understand why doing something to tomes that makes little impact in the game demands an increase in price. What does that accomplish anyways? Yeah 50 points is not much but why increase it at all?

[LrdSlvrhnd]

It will be in your character sheet feat list for Ability score tomes.

Due to some technical issues we couldn't do this easily for Skill Tomes (though we'll keep trying to find a reasonable way to do this).

So to clarify: If we're at L7, we can hover over the stat and see "+2 Tome Bonus" or however it's listed... but on the feats we would see "+5 Wisdom Tome"?

Also: Yay for this very welcome change! Especially welcome for INT tomes...

[UurlockYgmeov]

It will be in your character sheet feat list for Ability score tomes.

Due to some technical issues we couldn't do this easily for Skill Tomes (though we'll keep trying to find a reasonable way to do this).

Vargouille, thank you for doing this!

[Krell]

It will be in your character sheet feat list for Ability score tomes.

Due to some technical issues we couldn't do this easily for Skill Tomes (though we'll keep trying to find a reasonable way to do this).

I had this problem with Tomes of Fate and would like to see the current bonus displayed somewhere. To my knowledge you have to figure out what you have based on what is available for sale in the store but that isn't the best system. If you have a +2 applied, the store will let you buy and use either a +2 to +3 upgrade or a +3 and it isn't too hard to accidentally waste money on the +3.

[Vargouille]

So to clarify: If we're at L7, we can hover over the stat and see "+2 Tome Bonus" or however it's listed... but on the feats we would see "+5 Wisdom Tome"?

You would see a feat called "Inherent Wisdom" (I think), and if you mouse over that icon, the tooltip would say, "Acquired 5 times".

I had this problem with Tomes of Fate and would like to see the current bonus displayed somewhere. To my knowledge you have to figure out what you have based on what is available for sale in the store but that isn't the best system. If you have a +2 applied, the store will let you buy and use either a +2 to +3 upgrade or a +3 and it isn't too hard to accidentally waste money on the +3.

A similar change is already live for Fate Tomes, if you've used any of those, or the Tome bonuses from Mysterious Remnants (MRR, PRR, *Powers). Each shows up once under "Special" feats, and the number of times Acquired is the "strength" of the bonus.

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(when you've made hundreds of feats/enhancements, well... "when all you've got is a hammer"... everything turns into a feat!)

[Seikojin]

Cool. Now just to get them tomes to appear in chests. Raids anyone? How about making tomes a raid loot item. So it appears in raid chests, not end chests, but in any raid chests.

[Stoner81]

Long overdue QoL fix here though I do think the hike in price is a bit below the belt to be honest, granted it's only 50 points but it's still 50 points.

Stoner81.

[Cleanincubus]

Raising the price, and it's not even a retroactive change?

Would be nice to see a permanent price decrease on some items occasionally.

[Drwaz99]

Charging for QoL fixes, even small amounts sets a VERY bad precedent. It's actually incentivizes poor and frustrating design. It's the same slope as adding tomes to the store then jacking the drop rate in-game (despite Dev's "affirmations" this never happened but clearly has. The circumstantial evidence over the past years is overwhelming)

Just Turbine cranking another small notch tighter in the noose that's killing the game completely for me and my guildies.