Make Phlogistons BTA

[Ellihor]

Please. It just doesn't make any sense that you have to run like 40 times one raid on the same character to craft a weapon. And I want to TR this character and play some other build but I can't "cauz I have to get those phlogistons".

All other crafting systems jump from an unbound ingredient to BTA ingredient. The ones that actually have any BTC ingredient it is a single token, not like 30. Why thunder-forged jumps from unbound to BTC??

I have run a lot of deathwyrms on another character, but I just can't use his phlogistons. That's extremly frustrating.

There is also the problem of going to the same raid always on the same character. It sucks so much. I can only fill one role in deathwyrm, because I can only do this on this character. If the party needs a healer or a tank or something else my character can't bring an alt and do the raid, because I can't give the phlogistons to the char I need.

Please, consider this.

[stoerm]

Yes, and while you're down in there why not make dragontouched runes bta too, thankyouverymuch.

[Hobgoblin]

how bout comms of hero 2?

[JOTMON]

Please. It just doesn't make any sense that you have to run like 40 times one raid on the same character to craft a weapon. And I want to TR this character and play some other build but I can't "cauz I have to get those phlogistons".

All other crafting systems jump from an unbound ingredient to BTA ingredient. The ones that actually have any BTC ingredient it is a single token, not like 30. Why thunder-forged jumps from unbound to BTC??

I have run a lot of deathwyrms on another character, but I just can't use his phlogistons. That's extremly frustrating.

There is also the problem of going to the same raid always on the same character. It sucks so much. I can only fill one role in deathwyrm, because I can only do this on this character. If the party needs a healer or a tank or something else my character can't bring an alt and do the raid, because I can't give the phlogistons to the char I need.

Please, consider this.

Sorry, I don't understand how you would think that 40 runs is unreasonable to get everything you need to craft the best weapons in the game.
Phlogs can be traded in chest, and can get 10 on your 20th end reward list.. so really 20ish runs could do it.

I expect to run raids 40+ times to get the things I want from them, that is a good mechanic that encourages repetitive, re-running of content.
No one wants one and done content, where you run it once or twice then have everything you want and no longer have any desire to go back and farm..

BTA.. meh .. not for raid items... but I could go along with crafting a intermediate similar to converting commendations to seeds.. it just needs a cost factor...

[Enoach]

These are only needed for the 3rd Tier - ML 28

I'm not sure I agree that these are the "best" but I will agree that they are powerful.

I disagree that they should be BTA, but I also think that the amount needed needs to be adjusted down. Doing this will change the need to need 10 phlogistons as a 20th reward.

[JOTMON]

These are only needed for the 3rd Tier - ML 28

I'm not sure I agree that these are the "best" but I will agree that they are powerful.

I disagree that they should be BTA, but I also think that the amount needed needs to be adjusted down. Doing this will change the need to need 10 phlogistons as a 20th reward.

What's better than TF?
Its customizable to be in a weapon form of your choice so you don't have to build your toon around a weapon, you can build the weapon around your toon.
4.5[x] damage and +12 Enhancement value.
A selection of caster and melee choices at each tier.

and the kicker..
~Mortal Fear: On Hit: 8 to 64 Force Damage. In addition, 5% chance to cut non-boss foe's current health in half. ~

Now I am sure there may be a better weapon for non-dragon Red/Purple bosses who are immune to fire damage, negative energy, force damage, and don't have fortification to bypass ..
Cinnis - end boss in Inferno of the Damned may be an issue.. he is healed by fire damage..

but as a general dps weapon... TF is a solid go to weapon choice.

[Enoach]

What's better than TF?
Its customizable to be in a weapon form of your choice so you don't have to build your toon around a weapon, you can build the weapon around your toon.
4.5[x] damage and +12 Enhancement value.
A selection of caster and melee choices at each tier.

and the kicker..
~Mortal Fear: On Hit: 8 to 64 Force Damage. In addition, 5% chance to cut non-boss foe's current health in half. ~

Now I am sure there may be a better weapon for non-dragon Red/Purple bosses who are immune to fire damage, negative energy, force damage, and don't have fortification to bypass ..
Cinnis - end boss in Inferno of the Damned may be an issue.. he is healed by fire damage..

but as a general dps weapon... TF is a solid go to weapon choice.

I think you misunderstand. I agree the ability to customize the weapon to the build is great. However, as you pointed out in your post many of the abilities are tailored towards non-boss. DC/Spell Penetration and abilities like Mortal Fear don't work in a boss fight. The Elemental Spell Power is already better on a TOEE item (Mind you it is close).

So again, I think they are powerful, but "best" is still situational.

[Ellihor]

Sorry, I don't understand how you would think that 40 runs is unreasonable to get everything you need to craft the best weapons in the game.
Phlogs can be traded in chest, and can get 10 on your 20th end reward list.. so really 20ish runs could do it.

I expect to run raids 40+ times to get the things I want from them, that is a good mechanic that encourages repetitive, re-running of content.
No one wants one and done content, where you run it once or twice then have everything you want and no longer have any desire to go back and farm..

BTA.. meh .. not for raid items... but I could go along with crafting a intermediate similar to converting commendations to seeds.. it just needs a cost factor...

Still don't see any reason to make them BTC. If it was BTA people would still run it, justt would give you more options instead of bringins only the same char. I have listed good reasons to make them BTA, if you think they shouldn't be, please tell me why, exactly.

[JOTMON]

Still don't see any reason to make them BTC. If it was BTC people would still run it, justt would give you more options instead of bringins only the same char. I have listed good reasons to make them BTC¸ if you think they shouldn't be, please tell me why, exactly.

I think you mean BTA,

I am not against BTA, I prefer BTA for most stuff.
We are the same players behind the keyboard regardless of the toons we play.

I feel each toon should have a required component that they actually have to be part of running the challenge to get the reward.
The game should not be based on bringing your best toon to every content to farm ingredients for all your alts.
While I do farm ingredients for use in alts, there does need to be something in there that requires you to run the content on the toon you want the stuff for, otherwise it just becomes ingredient collecting for alts that never step foot into the content.

perhaps a special courier that will deliver the goods for a % fee, or some other cost, as long as there is a cost associated with transferring the key component ingredient between alts to encourage running the toons that want the items from those raids vs swapping from alts.

I wouldn't even mind getting a "Diamond of sharing" - BTA augment (no-min level, usable on any item with a clear or better augment slot) on 20 runs that lets me make BTC into BTA using an available augment slot (not recoverable with jewellers kit) instead of selecting alternative items off the 20th end reward list.
It would have the benefit of making the item BTA with the cost of using an augment slot...

[JOTMON]

I think you misunderstand. I agree the ability to customize the weapon to the build is great. However, as you pointed out in your post many of the abilities are tailored towards non-boss. DC/Spell Penetration and abilities like Mortal Fear don't work in a boss fight. The Elemental Spell Power is already better on a TOEE item (Mind you it is close).

So again, I think they are powerful, but "best" is still situational.

Situational is what I prefer to see form every group of quests.
Every weapon/armor/whatever should have situationally better applications to encourage players to want to get something from each grouping of content instead of getting the '1' item that is best for all content.
Swapping weapons/gear to be optimal for the situation as opposed 1 set of gear that is best for every situation. I don't mind the cover all gear that is 'good' at all content, but that shouldn't be better than situational focussed gear (that may have side effects).

[Ellihor]

I think you mean BTA.

Yes, sorry. Misspelled that.

[PsychoBlonde]

Can I vote to make them unbound so I can buy them instead? I hate that friggin shadow dragon raid. The activities themselves are (somewhat) cool, but it's so fuggin dark and dreary and boring. When I asked them to make raids where multiple people had to do stuff, I didn't mean "10 of them standing around waiting while 2 people argue over what to do for half an hour".

[slarden]

bta sounds great! And the cost should be reduced to 20 for tier 3, but I would settle for just bta.