Worthless Shields

[BigErkyKid]

lol There is the possibility that I have overlooked some source of PRR. Though, I can't see how since it's a build that can only wear pajamas, can't use a shield, and so has to rely on stances and augments for PRR. Maybe my twitch skills are too low for such a build. I don't know.

Well, it is kind of hard but possible. Take for instance a non earth stance rogue.

+30 sheltering +21 Divine ETRs +9 PDK PL +30 Blitz +15 Artifact (Sireth + Planar focus)

That's 105 without armor (light) and 105+22 light armor with BAB20 = 127.

Now with a simple 25 sheltering, without the PLs you are down to 92. Remove blitz for those moments when it is hard to keep it up and you are left with a very shaky PRR.

Honestly it is not to the level of the barb crushing content. Even top geared you will be likely to die more often since you basically have no passive healing and the HPs are lower. Mitigation is similar PRR wise (better for rogue overall) but the passive on kill healing effectively extends a lot the life of the barb.

[Coyopa]

Well, it is kind of hard but possible. Take for instance a non earth stance rogue.

+30 sheltering +21 Divine ETRs +9 PDK PL +30 Blitz +15 Artifact (Sireth + Planar focus)

That's 105 without armor (light) and 105+22 light armor with BAB20 = 127.

Now with a simple 25 sheltering, without the PLs you are down to 92. Remove blitz for those moments when it is hard to keep it up and you are left with a very shaky PRR.

Honestly it is not to the level of the barb crushing content. Even top geared you will be likely to die more often since you basically have no passive healing and the HPs are lower. Mitigation is similar PRR wise (better for rogue overall) but the passive on kill healing effectively extends a lot the life of the barb.

That explains my crappy PRR, then. I don't have the Divine epic reincarnations, the PDK past lives, am not in LD for Blitz, and don't have the Planar Focus. I also don't have the +30 sheltering, either. So, yeah, my build does suck in comparison to what is possible. I appreciate the break-down on how to improve the PRR. This confirms my character will be parked for a long time since I have other characters who are at least as much fun without having to do 3 Divine ER's, 3 PDK TR's, farm out all the destinies so I can stay in LD all the time, or use a sub-optimal piece of gear (Planar Focus). When I can easily have at least this much fun with other characters with a fraction of the work required, I can see the hand-writing's on the wall for this character and the other one like him.

[Gremmlynn]

That explains my crappy PRR, then. I don't have the Divine epic reincarnations, the PDK past lives, am not in LD for Blitz, and don't have the Planar Focus. I also don't have the +30 sheltering, either. So, yeah, my build does suck in comparison to what is possible. I appreciate the break-down on how to improve the PRR. This confirms my character will be parked for a long time since I have other characters who are at least as much fun without having to do 3 Divine ER's, 3 PDK TR's, farm out all the destinies so I can stay in LD all the time, or use a sub-optimal piece of gear (Planar Focus). When I can easily have at least this much fun with other characters with a fraction of the work required, I can see the hand-writing's on the wall for this character and the other one like him.

Actually it should say +27 from Divine Sphere lives and that's 9 ERs, not 3. So 6 PRR more there for you not to have the time to get.

[Coyopa]

Actually it should say +27 from Divine Sphere lives and that's 9 ERs, not 3. So 6 PRR more there for you not to have the time to get.

Yikes! 9 ER's. The very thought causes me pain. I ER'd my rogue from 28 once so far, about 3 months ago, and he's only now getting back to 24. Next time I ER him, he'll get TR'd right after getting back to 20 and I'll just do ER's at 1:1 ratio with TR's, even if that means running 20 heroic lives as a rogue.

[walkin_dude]

Yikes! 9 ER's. The very thought causes me pain. I ER'd my rogue from 28 once so far, about 3 months ago, and he's only now getting back to 24. Next time I ER him, he'll get TR'd right after getting back to 20 and I'll just do ER's at 1:1 ratio with TR's, even if that means running 20 heroic lives as a rogue.

Look at the bright side: you will get a lot more mileage out of DDO than people who use speedy methods. (so will I)

[Nightmanis]

Look at the bright side: you will get a lot more mileage out of DDO than people who use speedy methods. (so will I)

3 lives pdk 18/2 pally fighter, 9 lives bf pally I have a baby sos and 2 base balizarde. 9 bf in DC methinks, 11-20/x4 that are already keen so no wasted money for ic:slash to pierce.

[PsychoBlonde]

Buckler's are very useful if you're swashbuckling. Some nice items (CC lvl 24 buckler, or the buckler from 3BC) have a lot of nice stats, and if you have shield mastery (and imp shield mastery), your SWF style can be quite deadly.

That's the only time I could find small shields useful.

I like smaller shields on caster characters when having a buncha PRR is important. But I also have a tendency to just use whatever gear I have lying around.

[PsychoBlonde]

The OP's noise about AC being worthless makes me roll my eyes. The difference between my 170 AC melee character and my housemate's 80 AC melee character is ridiculous. And you should tell all those people who join my eE groups that we don't need a tank, because I wind up tanking **** for them all the time. Even the best players love a melee who will get out there and keep the boss pinned down and not hitting THEM.

[Gremmlynn]

Yikes! 9 ER's. The very thought causes me pain. I ER'd my rogue from 28 once so far, about 3 months ago, and he's only now getting back to 24. Next time I ER him, he'll get TR'd right after getting back to 20 and I'll just do ER's at 1:1 ratio with TR's, even if that means running 20 heroic lives as a rogue.

I generally look at it as more to have available to do than something that really needs to get done. After all, I've already done it once by the time I start the process. I look at first life as the baseline and everything after that as gravy that I have proven already, isn't really needed.

It takes a lot of pressure off of playing IMO.

[Enoach]

I generally look at it as more to have available to do than something that really needs to get done. After all, I've already done it once by the time I start the process. I look at first life as the baseline and everything after that as gravy that I have proven already, isn't really needed.

It takes a lot of pressure off of playing IMO.

This is a similar attitude that I have, it is available much like running 20 completions of a raid, or farming seal/shard/scroll or working on getting to 5K favor. As a player you need to decide what you want to work towards.

It is also why I like having 6 different characters because I can work on different goals by switching characters and since each play differently I don't get as heavily effected by the grind blues.

I think many times we as players lose sight of the journey because we focus too much on the destination.