Elven Pure Rogue Mechanic / Dreadnaught Eviscerator

[Hollowind]

So I recently came back to the game and tooled around with half a dozen or so builds before I settled on this one for EE and endgame content. I just recently finished capping the first life and its extremely effective this far. I don't post builds here often so I apologize if my format is off. The basic principle is an extremely high dps archer.

Level 20 Elven Rogue

This is a dex to damage build that achieves 15-20 x 4 crits with a 19-20 base crit bow (from level 18 mechanic, arcane archer morphic arrows and pulverizer from dreadnaught) and can bypass up to 70% fort with feats, twists and gear (25% precision, 10% oppurtunist, 15% grim precision twist, 20% upgraded black dragon scale). It also boasts a 40 meter point blank shot and sneak attack distance which is in range for 99% of content that you're shooting at.

Manyshot and haste boosts make it pretty easy to maintain a permanent blitz between shrines. I've included a screenshot of some of the basics.





Essential gear consists of:

Bow- Pinion - probably hands down the best bow for this build.
Trinket - Shimmering Arrowhead
Armor - Flawless Black Dragon Scale (or some other armor piercing item)
Other gear is more variable

For stats you want 20 Dex and the rest in con and int, level ups in dex.

Feats:

1 Point Blank Shot
3 Rapid Shot
6 Precision
9 Manyshot
10 Oppurtunist
12 Improved Crit Ranged
13 Improved Evasion
15 Precise Shot
16 Defensive Roll
18 Improved Precise Shot
19 Slippery Mind
21 Overwhelming Crit
24 Combat Archery
26 Toughness
27 Improved Sneak Attacks
28 Double Shot

It's still a work in progress but the framework is 100% solid and delivers what is probably some of the highest burst dps in the game.

[Saekee]

So morphic arrows also activates pulverizer?
Wouldn't your crits be also x6 on a 19-20 due to LD and OC?
Any way to work in force imbues?
What is your doubleshot at cap?
Is your attack speed capped to give up
blinding speed?

seems like a clever framework in which you could also occasionally use cormyrian throwing weapons for flavor.

[Hollowind]

So morphic arrows also activates pulverizer?
Wouldn't your crits be also x6 on a 19-20 due to LD and OC?
Any way to work in force imbues?
What is your doubleshot at cap?
Is your attack speed capped to give up
blinding speed?

seems like a clever framework in which you could also occasionally use cormyrian throwing weapons for flavor.

Morphic does indeed activate pulverizer
Yes, Crits are x6 on 19-20 with dreadnaught and overwhelming crit
I think the ap's are just a little too tight for force imbues but its not a terrible loss. Might be tweakable. (I currently have magical training from energy of the wild 3 for endless cocoons but gear adjustments might ease that up)
Double shot is currently at 25% at cap, some gear and a couple tr's would put it in the low 40s i think
With the 20% alacrity from pinion I opted out of blinding speed but it could easily trade from improved sneaks on another build.

[Saekee]

Thx.
You can get force arrows maxed AND magical training and morphic with only 12 AP in the tree if I calculate correctly. That is only 2 ap more which I am sure could be fished from somewhere. You do not need the perma arrows due to fletching and even the ease of scrolling a stack of 500 flame arrows.
Force arrows do 1d6 but more importantly 3d10 on crits which on this build would be on the 15-20. Hence
19 attacks for 3.5 and 6 crits for another 16.5 = a little over 8 damage/arrow more, I think, and force damage seems rarely resisted.

[Hollowind]

Good call, I dropped two points from umd in mechanic and put 12 into AA for force. I've been using a quivering quiver to load up on arrows and have a back up that i never use. Conjure is out

[Jiirix]

Nice build with clever synergies. And one more build that is better with bows than pure ranger I guess.

[unbongwah]

Is your attack speed capped to give up
blinding speed?

The problem with taking Blinding Speed is you have to drop either Imp Sneak Atk (+10.5 SA dmg per hit scaled w/Ranged Power) or Combat Archery (+4.5 critable dmg per hit); isn't worth the DPS loss just to spare yourself the hassle of equipping a Speed or Ranged Alacrity item.

[Saekee]

The problem with taking Blinding Speed is you have to drop either Imp Sneak Atk (+10.5 SA dmg per hit scaled w/Ranged Power) or Combat Archery (+4.5 critable dmg per hit); isn't worth the DPS loss just to spare yourself the hassle of equipping a Speed or Ranged Alacrity item.

Yes, assuming it is capped then--blinding speed gives 22% ranged alacrity. But I think it should be capped with Pinion.s alacrity boost

[Hollowind]

Yes, assuming it is capped then--blinding speed gives 22% ranged alacrity. But I think it should be capped with Pinion.s alacrity boost

I think they fixed the ranged alacrity offset from haste a while back. I'm pretty sure its a flat 15% now, either way I agree that its really more a matter of finding a decent alacrity item over sacrificing the 3d6 damage from improved sneak attacks.

[Saekee]

I think they fixed the ranged alacrity offset from haste a while back. I'm pretty sure its a flat 15% now, either way I agree that its really more a matter of finding a decent alacrity item over sacrificing the 3d6 damage from improved sneak attacks.

I brought this up on Jakeleela's thrower build thread and he showed that blinding speed still gives the higher alacrity of 22 ranged.

[Nightmanis]

Swap the dragon armor for the shadow scale light armor with shadow killer for 2d6 extra sneak damage, then swap whatever you're using for the cloak for hide of the fallen. If you can get into tod often enough you can farm for the gilvaenor's AA set for another 10% stacking alacrity. The skirmisher's bracers are 8% double shot as well and they're a guaranteed end reward from one of the stormhorns quests. Can't remember which one.

Obviously we could get into a whole long discussion about best in slot gear.

[CrackedIce]

So I recently came back to the game and tooled around with half a dozen or so builds before I settled on this one for EE and endgame content. I just recently finished capping the first life and its extremely effective this far. I don't post builds here often so I apologize if my format is off. The basic principle is an extremely high dps archer.

Level 20 Elven Rogue

This is a dex to damage build that achieves 15-20 x 4 crits with a 19-20 base crit bow (from level 18 mechanic, arcane archer morphic arrows and pulverizer from dreadnaught) and can bypass up to 70% fort with feats, twists and gear (25% precision, 10% oppurtunist, 15% grim precision twist, 20% upgraded black dragon scale). It also boasts a 40 meter point blank shot and sneak attack distance which is in range for 99% of content that you're shooting at.

Manyshot and haste boosts make it pretty easy to maintain a permanent blitz between shrines. I've included a screenshot of some of the basics.





Essential gear consists of:

Bow- Pinion - probably hands down the best bow for this build.
Trinket - Shimmering Arrowhead
Armor - Flawless Black Dragon Scale (or some other armor piercing item)
Other gear is more variable

For stats you want 20 Dex and the rest in con and int, level ups in dex.

Feats:

1 Point Blank Shot
3 Rapid Shot
6 Precision
9 Manyshot
10 Oppurtunist
12 Improved Crit Ranged
13 Improved Evasion
15 Precise Shot
16 Defensive Roll
18 Improved Precise Shot
19 Slippery Mind
21 Overwhelming Crit
24 Combat Archery
26 Toughness
27 Improved Sneak Attacks
28 Double Shot

It's still a work in progress but the framework is 100% solid and delivers what is probably some of the highest burst dps in the game.

Just curious, why not 31 points in mechanic for level 18 core and tier 5 in arcane Archer for slaying arrows. Stop in elf race at 14 (no dex to damage). Does mechanical reloader work with bows??

At least may be something to consider after ranger overhaul.

[unbongwah]

I've been thinking about how to revise this build concept post-U28. OP hasn't been on the forums for a couple of months, so I had to take a stab at it on my own. Core concept is the same - DEX-based pure elf rogue archer - but focused on AA instead of Mechanic.

Main problem is AP shortage: I ended up wanting to spend at least 20 APs elf (AA / Grace / Skill) and 41 APs AA (capstone), which left only 19 APs for the rogue PrEs; not enough to take Killer, which I wanted for the extra Doubleshot. So I wound up spreading leftover APs around.

It's newbie-friendly in the sense of requiring no tomes; but it would be quite challenging to solo, I would expect. Of course, for some players, that's a feature, not a bug.

AA Rogue
Rogue 20
True Neutral Elf


Stats
               28pt     32pt     Level Up
               ----     ----     --------
Strength         8        8       4: DEX
Dexterity       20       20       8: DEX
Constitution    12       14      12: DEX
Intelligence    14       14      16: DEX
Wisdom           8        8      20: DEX
Charisma         8        8      24: DEX
                                 28: DEX

Skills
          1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
         ------------------------------------------------------------
Disable   4  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  23
Open Lo   4  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  23
Search    4  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  23
Spot      4  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  23
Hide      4  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  23
Move Si   4  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  23
Tumble    4  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  23
UMD       4  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  23
Concent   2        1     1     1     1     1     1     1     1     1  11
Spellcr   2     1     1     1     1     1     1     1     1     1     11
Balance      2                                                         2
         ------------------------------------------------------------
         40 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10


Feats

 1        : Point Blank Shot
 3        : Rapid Shot
 6        : Precise Shot
 9        : Manyshot
10 Rogue  : Improved Evasion
12        : Improved Critical: Ranged
13 Rogue  : Opportunist
15        : Improved Precise Shot
16 Rogue  : Defensive Roll
18        : Precision
19 Rogue  : Crippling Strike
21 Epic   : Overwhelming Critical
24 Epic   : Combat Archery
26 Destiny: Epic Spell Power: Force
27 Epic   : Improved Sneak Attack
28 Destiny: Doubleshot
29 Destiny: Harbinger of Chaos OR Embodiment of Law
30 Legend : Scion of the Ethereal Plane
30 Epic   : Epic DR OR Blinding Speed

This part of the build is straight-forward enough and basically identical to OP's. I maxed Tumble for LOLZ, but Bluff would make more sense.

Enhancements will vary depending on your character level. Since you can't access the last two racial AA cores until epic levels (22 & 25), you'll have a couple extra APs you can spend elsewhere. But this is more-or-less your lvl 25+ AP config:

Enhancements (80 AP)

Elf (21 AP)

Elven Accuracy
Keen Senses II, Aerenal Weapon Training
Nothing Is Hidden II, Aerenal Weapon Training, Arcanum I
Aerenal Weapon Training, Arcane Archer
Aerenal Grace, Aerenal Weapon Training, Skill

Elf-Arcane Archer (41 AP)

Arcane Archer, Morphic Arrows, Metalline Arrows, Aligned Arrows, Shadow Arrows, Mystical Archer
Conjure Arrows, Energy of the Wild III, Flaming Arrows
Force Arrows III, Inferno Shot III, Elemental Damage
Terror Arrows, Soul Magic, Elemental Damage
Paralyzing Arrows, Elemental Damage
Moonbow, Arrow of Slaying, Elemental Damage, Runebow

Assassin (14 AP)

Knife in the Darkness, Dagger in the Back, Assassin's Trick
Sneak Attack Training, Stealthy II
Sneak Attack Training, Damage Boost III
Sneak Attack Training

Thief-Acrobat (3 AP)

Staff Control
Fast Movement

Mechanic (1 AP)

Arbalester

Total base sneak atk bonus: 10d6 rog lvls + 3d6 Imp Sneak Atk feat + 3d6 Assassin enhs = 16d6. I should maybe invest more in elf cores for the PBS range increase, but that's easy enough to tweak. 35% Fort bypass (Precision + Opportunist) which goes up to 50% if you have Grim Precision as well. EDIT: Assassin's Trick is another 25% bypass.

Not bothering to list EDs & Twists because, well, it's about what you'd expect: FotW, Dreadnought, Crusader, Shadowdancer, or Shiradi - take your pick.

[Saekee]

I've been thinking about how to revise this build concept post-U28. OP hasn't been on the forums for a couple of months, so I had to take a stab at it on my own. Core concept is the same - DEX-based pure elf rogue archer - but focused on AA instead of Mechanic.

Main problem is AP shortage: I ended up wanting to spend at least 20 APs elf (AA / Grace / Skill) and 41 APs AA (capstone), which left only 19 APs for the rogue PrEs; not enough to take Killer, which I wanted for the extra Doubleshot. So I wound up spreading leftover APs around.

It's newbie-friendly in the sense of requiring no tomes; but it would be quite challenging to solo, I would expect. Of course, for some players, that's a feature, not a bug.

AA Rogue
Rogue 20
True Neutral Elf


Stats
               28pt     32pt     Level Up
               ----     ----     --------
Strength         8        8       4: DEX
Dexterity       20       20       8: DEX
Constitution    12       14      12: DEX
Intelligence    14       14      16: DEX
Wisdom           8        8      20: DEX
Charisma         8        8      24: DEX
                                 28: DEX

Skills
          1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
         ------------------------------------------------------------
Disable   4  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  23
Open Lo   4  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  23
Search    4  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  23
Spot      4  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  23
Hide      4  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  23
Move Si   4  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  23
Tumble    4  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  23
UMD       4  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  23
Concent   2        1     1     1     1     1     1     1     1     1  11
Spellcr   2     1     1     1     1     1     1     1     1     1     11
Balance      2                                                         2
         ------------------------------------------------------------
         40 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10


Feats

 1        : Point Blank Shot
 3        : Rapid Shot
 6        : Precise Shot
 9        : Manyshot
10 Rogue  : Improved Evasion
12        : Improved Critical: Ranged
13 Rogue  : Opportunist
15        : Improved Precise Shot
16 Rogue  : Defensive Roll
18        : Precision
19 Rogue  : Crippling Strike
21 Epic   : Overwhelming Critical
24 Epic   : Combat Archery
26 Destiny: Epic Spell Power: Force
27 Epic   : Improved Sneak Attack
28 Destiny: Doubleshot
29 Destiny: Harbinger of Chaos OR Embodiment of Law
30 Legend : Scion of the Ethereal Plane
30 Epic   : Epic DR OR Blinding Speed

This part of the build is straight-forward enough and basically identical to OP's. I maxed Tumble for LOLZ, but Bluff would make more sense.

Enhancements will vary depending on your character level. Since you can't access the last two racial AA cores until epic levels (22 & 25), you'll have a couple extra APs you can spend elsewhere. But this is more-or-less your lvl 25+ AP config:

Enhancements (80 AP)

Elf (21 AP)

Elven Accuracy
Keen Senses II, Aerenal Weapon Training
Nothing Is Hidden II, Aerenal Weapon Training, Arcanum I
Aerenal Weapon Training, Arcane Archer
Aerenal Grace, Aerenal Weapon Training, Skill

Elf-Arcane Archer (41 AP)

Arcane Archer, Morphic Arrows, Metalline Arrows, Aligned Arrows, Shadow Arrows, Mystical Archer
Conjure Arrows, Energy of the Wild III, Flaming Arrows
Force Arrows III, Inferno Shot III, Elemental Damage
Terror Arrows, Soul Magic, Elemental Damage
Paralyzing Arrows, Elemental Damage
Moonbow, Arrow of Slaying, Elemental Damage, Runebow

Assassin (14 AP)

Knife in the Darkness, Dagger in the Back, Assassin's Trick
Sneak Attack Training, Stealthy II
Sneak Attack Training, Damage Boost III
Sneak Attack Training

Thief-Acrobat (3 AP)

Staff Control
Fast Movement

Mechanic (1 AP)

Arbalester

Total base sneak atk bonus: 10d6 rog lvls + 3d6 Imp Sneak Atk feat + 3d6 Assassin enhs = 16d6. I should maybe invest more in elf cores for the PBS range increase, but that's easy enough to tweak. 35% Fort bypass (Precision + Opportunist) which goes up to 50% if you have Grim Precision as well. EDIT: Assassin's Trick is another 25% bypass.

Not bothering to list EDs & Twists because, well, it's about what you'd expect: FotW, Dreadnought, Crusader, Shadowdancer, or Shiradi - take your pick.

This would work very well as an ER of my new Prowler build. I had been thinking that it could become an elven AA, with great run speed and defenses, or, should one wish, a mechanic. The loss of the level 20 capstone in its splashing of barb and wiz doesn't matter with the elven AA path.
I plan to steal your build here, hope you don't mind...

[unbongwah]

No problem, although I plan to dust off the old rog 13 / rgr 6 template for an AA: 41 AA / 14 elf or HE / 11 DWS (Sniper Shot) / 11 Assassin (Assassin's Trick) / 3 Acro (Fast Movement). Total SA is about the same as pure rogue thanks to +3d6 from DWS; but Sniper Shot is great for extra SAs and obviously is great for FotW too. Extra level can be barb for +10% run speed (total +23% w/Acro).

[unbongwah]

Someone pitched me a build idea: a pure rogue Acrobat who also uses longbows with Manyshot. [I think they have a eElemental Bloom and eSapphire Sting banked away and was looking for build ideas to use them.] This is clearly a gimpy flavor build, so I was immediately intrigued. I remembered this thread and decided to deposit the build here, since it's kinda-sorta in the same vein.

Arcane Archer Acrobat -> Triple A

Triple A (U33)
Rogue 20
True Neutral Elf


Stats
               36pt     Tome     Level Up
               ----     ----     --------
Strength        13       +6       4: DEX
Dexterity       20       +6       8: DEX
Constitution    14       +6      12: DEX
Intelligence    13       +6      16: DEX
Wisdom           8       +6      20: DEX
Charisma         8       +6      24: DEX
                                 28: DEX

Feats

 1        : Point Blank Shot
 3        : Precision
 6        : Rapid Shot
 9        : Two Handed Fighting
10 Rogue  : Defensive Roll
12        : Improved Critical: Bludgeoning
13 Rogue  : Improved Evasion
15        : Improved Two Handed Fighting
16 Rogue  : Opportunist
18        : Manyshot
19 Rogue  : Crippling Strike OR Skill Mastery
21 Epic   : Greater Two Handed Fighting
24 Epic   : Overwhelming Critical
26 Destiny: Perfect Two Handed Fighting
27 Epic   : Improved Sneak Attack
28 Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting OR Doubleshot
29 Destiny: Dire Charge OR Deific Warding
30 Epic   : Improved Critical: Ranged OR Epic Damage Reduction
30 Legend : Scion of: Ethereal Plane OR Plane of Earth


Enhancements (80 AP)

Thief-Acrobat (41 AP)

Staff Control, Stick Fighting, Tumbler, Kip Up, Cartwheel Charge, Followthrough
Thief Acrobatics III, Fast Movement
Quick Strike III, Haste Boost III
Improved Glancing Blows III, Shadow Dodge I, Sweeping Strikes III
Improved Defensive Roll III, No Mercy III, Staff Lunge I
Staff Specialization, Spinning Staff Wall, Vault

Elf (20 AP)

Elven Accuracy, Elven Dexterity, Elven Accuracy II
Aerenal Weapon Training
Aerenal Weapon Training, Arcanum I
Aerenal Weapon Training, Arcane Archer
Aerenal Grace, Aerenal Weapon Training, Skill

Elf-Arcane Archer (12 AP)

Arcane Archer, Morphic Arrows
Conjure Arrows, Corrosive Arrows
Force Arrows I, Elemental Damage
Elemental Damage

Harper Agent (7 AP)

Agent of Good I
Harper Enchantment, Traveler's Toughness II
Know the Angles II

Leveling Guide

TA0 Staff Control; TA1 Thief Acrobatics I, II, III
TA1 Fast Movement; TA2 Quick Strike I
TA0 Stick Fighting; TA2 Haste Boost I, II, III
TA2 Quick Strike II, III
TA3 Shadow Dodge I; TA3 Sweeping Strikes I, II
TA0 Tumbler; TA4 Staff Lunge I; TA3 Sweeping Strikes III; TA4 No Mercy I
TA4 No Mercy II, III; Hrp0 Agent of Good I
Hrp1 Harper Enchantment; Hrp1 Traveler's Toughness I, II; Hrp2 Know the Angles I
Hrp2 Know the Angles II; TA3 Improved Glancing Blows I, II, III
TA4 Improved Defensive Roll I, II, III; Ass0 Knife in the Darkness
Ass1 Sneak Attack Training; (Bank 2 AP)
TA5 Staff Specialization; TA5 Spinning Staff Wall; TA5 Vault
TA0 Kip Up; Ass1 Stealthy I, II
Ass2 Sneak Attack Training; Ass2 Venomed Blades I, II; Ass0 Dagger in the Back
Ass0 Assassin's Trick; Ass3 Sneak Attack Training; Ass2 Venomed Blades III
Ass2 Damage Boost I, II, III; Ass3 Critical Mastery I
Ass3 Critical Mastery II, III; Ass0 Nimbleness; Ass1 Stealthy III
Reset Assassin

Thief-Acrobat: Cartwheel Charge

Elf: Elven Accuracy, Elven Dexterity, Elven Accuracy II
Aerenal Weapon Training
Aerenal Weapon Training, Arcanum I
Aerenal Weapon Training, Arcane Archer
Aerenal Grace, Aerenal Weapon Training, Skill

Elf-Arcane Archer: Arcane Archer
Conjure Arrows, Corrosive Arrows
eAA2 Elemental Damage; eAA2 Force Arrows I
TA0 Followthrough; eAA0 Morphic Arrows; eAA3 Elemental Damage


Destiny (24 AP)

Legendary Dreadnought

Legendary Tactics III, Extra Action Boost III, Constitution
Damage Boost III
Critical Damage III
Lightning Mace
Advancing Blows, Devastating Critical
Master's Blitz, Pulverizer

Twists of Fate (35 fate points)

Sense Weakness (Tier 4 Fury)
Grim Precision (Tier 3 Shadowdancer)
Pin (Tier 2 Shiradi)
Rejuvenation Cocoon (Tier 1 Primal)
Brace for Impact (Tier 1 Sentinel)

First I take PBS/Rapid Shot/Manyshot instead of Power Atk/Cleave/GC chain. Then I invest heavily into elf+AA tree for 5d8 acid imbues, Morphic Arrows (which works w/Pulverizer), +3% Dodge/Doubleshot/Doublestrike from elven Skill, and DEX to dmg w/longbows from Grace. Round it out with Harper for KtA; if you don't have Harper, you can invest in Assassin for more sneak atks or Mechanic for greater PBS range.

For this build in Dreadnought, Elemental Bloom becomes 15-18/x4 19-20/x6 with all relevant crit bonuses; while Sapphire Sting becomes 16-18/x3 19-20/x5 (with Morphic Arrows + IC:Ranged).

Heroic leveling you play as a conventional melee Acrobat until lvl 18; that's when this build respecs Enhancements to take Elven Grace + racial AA tree and adds Manyshot to its combat rotation.

There's a little flexibility with the epic / ED feats, mostly depending on whether you want to focus on melee DPS, ranged DPS, or extra PRR for better survivability.

[Nightmanis]

This would work very well as an ER of my new Prowler build. I had been thinking that it could become an elven AA, with great run speed and defenses, or, should one wish, a mechanic. The loss of the level 20 capstone in its splashing of barb and wiz doesn't matter with the elven AA path.
I plan to steal your build here, hope you don't mind...

I'm looking at this build at random and realizing how the new racial tr could benefit this build immensely. +2 dex and 10ap means in ungbongwah's idea, you suddenly have 29ap to spend outside the AA and elf trees.

As for how effective third build would actually be though is up for debate, mainly in the 5+ reaper situations. But considering how rarely i run those now i don't see much problem.


EDIT: this fact had already been covered in the prowler thread.

[unbongwah]

+2 dex and 10ap means in ungbongwah's idea, you suddenly have 29ap to spend outside the AA and elf trees.

Depending on which build you're talking about:

On pure rogue focused on AA, what I wanted to have is 41 AA / 23 Assassin / 20 elf or HE / 3 Acro. That's 87 APs total, which means you "only" need 21 RRs for the extra racial APs. No big deal, right?! 9 more RRs gets you 3 "free" APs to do what you want with.

Aerenal Roguecher
Rogue 20
True Neutral Elf


Stats
               36pt     Level Up
               ----     --------
Strength         8       4: DEX
Dexterity       20       8: DEX
Constitution    14      12: DEX
Intelligence    12      16: DEX
Wisdom          14      20: DEX
Charisma         8      24: DEX
                        28: DEX

Feats

 1        : Point Blank Shot
 3        : Rapid Shot
 6        : Precise Shot
 9        : Manyshot
10 Rogue  : Opportunist
12        : Improved Critical: Ranged
13 Rogue  : Improved Evasion
15        : Improved Precise Shot
16 Rogue  : Crippling Strike
18        : Precision
19 Rogue  : Defensive Roll OR Skill Mastery
21 Epic   : Improved Sneak Attack
24 Epic   : Overwhelming Critical
26 Destiny: Epic Spell Power: Acid OR Pierce Damage Reduction: Silver
27 Epic   : Blinding Speed OR Epic Damage Reduction
28 Destiny: Doubleshot
29 Destiny: Embodiment of Law OR Deific Warding
30 Epic   : Combat Archery
30 Legend : Scion of: Ethereal Plane OR Plane of Earth


Enhancements (80+10 AP)

Elf-Arcane Archer (41 AP)
Arcane Archer, Morphic Arrows, Metalline Arrows, Aligned Arrows, Shadow Arrows, Mystical Archer
Conjure Arrows, Energy of the Wild III, Corrosive Arrows
Dispelling Shot I, Force Arrows II, Elemental Damage
Terror Arrows, Soul Magic, Elemental Damage
Banishing Arrows, Paralyzing Arrows, Smiting Arrows, Elemental Damage
Moonbow, Arrow of Slaying, Final Strike, Improved Elemental Arrows, Runebow

Assassin (25 AP)
Knife in the Darkness, Dagger in the Back, Assassin's Trick
Sneak Attack Training, Stealthy III
Venomed Blades III, Sneak Attack Training, Damage Boost III
Sneak Attack Training, Dexterity
Killer III, Sneak Attack Training

Elf (20 AP)
Elven Accuracy, Elven Dexterity, Elven Accuracy II
Aerenal Weapon Training
Aerenal Weapon Training, Arcanum I
Aerenal Weapon Training, Arcane Archer
Aerenal Grace, Aerenal Weapon Training, Skill

Thief-Acrobat (3 AP)
Staff Control
Fast Movement

Mechanic (1 AP)
Arbalester

Basically, every AP earned from RR is another AP you can spend in Assassin.

On my Triple A build, 10 more APs would be enough to get T4 AA, letting you add either Paralyzing Arrows or an exta 2d8 elemental imbue dmg. Or alternatively, tweak things so you can pick up Assassin's Trick, Venomed Blades, and extra SA.

[Nightmanis]

Depending on which build you're talking about:

On pure rogue focused on AA, what I wanted to have is 41 AA / 23 Assassin / 20 elf or HE / 3 Acro. That's 87 APs total, which means you "only" need 21 RRs for the extra racial APs. No big deal, right?! 9 more RRs gets you 3 "free" APs to do what you want with.

Aerenal Roguecher
Rogue 20
True Neutral Elf


Stats
               36pt     Level Up
               ----     --------
Strength         8       4: DEX
Dexterity       20       8: DEX
Constitution    14      12: DEX
Intelligence    12      16: DEX
Wisdom          14      20: DEX
Charisma         8      24: DEX
                        28: DEX

Feats

 1        : Point Blank Shot
 3        : Rapid Shot
 6        : Precise Shot
 9        : Manyshot
10 Rogue  : Opportunist
12        : Improved Critical: Ranged
13 Rogue  : Improved Evasion
15        : Improved Precise Shot
16 Rogue  : Crippling Strike
18        : Precision
19 Rogue  : Defensive Roll OR Skill Mastery
21 Epic   : Improved Sneak Attack
24 Epic   : Overwhelming Critical
26 Destiny: Epic Spell Power: Acid OR Pierce Damage Reduction: Silver
27 Epic   : Blinding Speed OR Epic Damage Reduction
28 Destiny: Doubleshot
29 Destiny: Embodiment of Law OR Deific Warding
30 Epic   : Combat Archery
30 Legend : Scion of: Ethereal Plane OR Plane of Earth


Enhancements (80+10 AP)

Elf-Arcane Archer (41 AP)
Arcane Archer, Morphic Arrows, Metalline Arrows, Aligned Arrows, Shadow Arrows, Mystical Archer
Conjure Arrows, Energy of the Wild III, Corrosive Arrows
Dispelling Shot I, Force Arrows II, Elemental Damage
Terror Arrows, Soul Magic, Elemental Damage
Banishing Arrows, Paralyzing Arrows, Smiting Arrows, Elemental Damage
Moonbow, Arrow of Slaying, Final Strike, Improved Elemental Arrows, Runebow

Assassin (25 AP)
Knife in the Darkness, Dagger in the Back, Assassin's Trick
Sneak Attack Training, Stealthy III
Venomed Blades III, Sneak Attack Training, Damage Boost III
Sneak Attack Training, Dexterity
Killer III, Sneak Attack Training

Elf (20 AP)
Elven Accuracy, Elven Dexterity, Elven Accuracy II
Aerenal Weapon Training
Aerenal Weapon Training, Arcanum I
Aerenal Weapon Training, Arcane Archer
Aerenal Grace, Aerenal Weapon Training, Skill

Thief-Acrobat (3 AP)
Staff Control
Fast Movement

Mechanic (1 AP)
Arbalester

Basically, every AP earned from RR is another AP you can spend in Assassin.

On my Triple A build, 10 more APs would be enough to get T4 AA, letting you add either Paralyzing Arrows or an exta 2d8 elemental imbue dmg. Or alternatively, tweak things so you can pick up Assassin's Trick, Venomed Blades, and extra SA.

I was pretty mad thinking about this. For the life of me, they've made it impossible (that I can figure out) to get the capstone of AA, Aerenal Grace, and the 18 core of Mechanic. I'm always off by 1ap no matter how I figure it up because of the cost to get grace. I seriously contemplated just forgetting it (and going as a Helf Strength build) but I couldn't bring myself to justify it over the pure dex build. Not to mention you'd need to include bow strength which just throws a wrench in there regardless of what you do.

[unbongwah]

For the life of me, they've made it impossible (that I can figure out) to get the capstone of AA, Aerenal Grace, and the 18 core of Mechanic.

I take it devs still haven't fixed the crit multiplier on racial Shadow Arrows? Doesn't surprise me if that's still the case, of course, but I don't have any epic elf / HE toons I could use to test it.