Body Plating Proficiency?

[Steve_Howe]

Are WF/BF automatically proficient with the armor they get when they take one of the Armor Plating feats?

Example: I want to play a Bladeforged Barbarian. Barbarians are proficient with Light and Medium armors. If I take Adamantine Plating (Heavy Armor), will I be proficient in it or will I not be proficient and assessed some sort of penalty like -4 to Hit or something similar?

[Grailhawk]

Are WF/BF automatically proficient with the armor they get when they take one of the Armor Plating feats?

Example: I want to play a Bladeforged Barbarian. Barbarians are proficient with Light and Medium armors. If I take Adamantine Plating (Heavy Armor), will I be proficient in it or will I not be proficient and assessed some sort of penalty like -4 to Hit or something similar?

Forged ware docents not armor Forged are proficient with docents, Body Plating modifies what bonuses/penalties docents bestow. So proficiency doesn't play a role in the equation at all.

[Steve_Howe]

Forged ware docents not armor Forged are proficient with docents, Body Plating modifies what bonuses/penalties docents bestow. So proficiency doesn't play a role in the equation at all.

So my Barbarian with Adamantine Plating will get full Heavy Armor PRR and MRR benefits without having the Heavy Armor proficiency and he won't take a -4 to Hit penalty?

[Steve_Howe]

Anyone know the actual answers to my questions?

[Grailhawk]

Anyone know the actual answers to my questions?

I did give you the actual anwser. Forged do not ware armor, hence they do not need to be proficient in it.

[Dandonk]

So my Barbarian with Adamantine Plating will get full Heavy Armor PRR and MRR benefits without having the Heavy Armor proficiency and he won't take a -4 to Hit penalty?

Whatever the mechanics and reasoning behind 'forged and body feats, the answer is that 'forged are always considered proficient in what body feat they have/take (which is I think the first responder was trying to say). So yes, a 'forged barbarian with ada body will get AC/PRR/MRR as if he was wearing heavy armor, and he will not get any proficiency penalties.

Small note: 'Forged used to get lower PRR for heavy armor. I'm not 100% sure if this is still the case or not. The difference, in any case, is not that huge anymore.

[CThruTheEgo]

Small note: 'Forged used to get lower PRR for heavy armor. I'm not 100% sure if this is still the case or not. The difference, in any case, is not that huge anymore.

This is no longer the case. WF receive the full PRR benefit of heavy armor. Tested and confirmed on the arti in my sig.

@OP: WF receive the armor benefits (including PRR/MRR, max dex bonus, and arcane spell failure) of whatever body feat they have. It doesn't matter if the class you are has an armor proficiency. WF only receive the benefits of the body feat they take. Their inherent feat is composite plating which counts as having no armor. Mithral body counts as light armor and adamantine body counts as heavy armor.

[Steve_Howe]

Whatever the mechanics and reasoning behind 'forged and body feats, the answer is that 'forged are always considered proficient in what body feat they have/take (which is I think the first responder was trying to say). So yes, a 'forged barbarian with ada body will get AC/PRR/MRR as if he was wearing heavy armor, and he will not get any proficiency penalties.

Thanks.

This is the information I was looking for.

[Khatzhas]

Note that it would still count as Heavy armour for purposes other than proficiency. So if there are class abilities that don't work while you wear Heavy Armour, you won't be able to use those abilities.

[Tom116]

They effectively get prof from the body feat, yes.

Just a heads up though, the bladeforged reconstruct SLA can't be used while raging. Wouldn't want to spend all that TP and still not reap the benefits

[Steve_Howe]

They effectively get prof from the body feat, yes.

Just a heads up though, the bladeforged reconstruct SLA can't be used while raging. Wouldn't want to spend all that TP and still not reap the benefits

That's the main reason I went WF instead of BF.

I took Healer's Friend, have a bunch of Healing Amp (210), use Consecration for healing and more damage, and Blood Strength from Ravager also for more healing.

Seems to work pretty well.

[Tom116]

That's the main reason I went WF instead of BF.

I took Healer's Friend, have a bunch of Healing Amp (210), use Consecration for healing and more damage, and Blood Strength from Ravager also for more healing.

Seems to work pretty well.

Fair enough

May I ask why wf/bf vs human or dwarf? I guess the immunities?

[Steve_Howe]

Fair enough

May I ask why wf/bf vs human or dwarf? I guess the immunities?

Immunities are the biggest reason but I also wanted to use heavy armor (adamantine plating) for the increased PRR/MRR without having to spend a feat on Heavy Armor Proficiency.

[knockcocker]

Immunities are the biggest reason but I also wanted to use heavy armor (adamantine plating) for the increased PRR/MRR without having to spend a feat on Heavy Armor Proficiency.

You have to spend a feat on Adamantine Body though. You also lose a feat over Human/PDK and
your HA will be (very) noticeably worse for Blood Strength.

[Steve_Howe]

You have to spend a feat on Adamantine Body though. You also lose a feat over Human/PDK and
your HA will be (very) noticeably worse for Blood Strength.

Agreed but 210 Healing Amp fixes that. Don't forget I'm usually standing in a Consecration aura too.

[knockcocker]

Agreed but 210 Healing Amp fixes that. Don't forget I'm usually standing in a Consecration aura too.

Where are you getting 210 from on a BF? (that's pretty good). BF have an extra penalty over WF -
with all three ranks of HF and 20 hamp (ship) a heal only hits for 95.

[Steve_Howe]

Where are you getting 210 from on a BF? (that's pretty good). BF have an extra penalty over WF -
with all three ranks of HF and 20 hamp (ship) a heal only hits for 95.

Not BF. See a few posts up where I said I went WF.

As to how I got 210 Healing Amp, Iron Mitts (gives 60), and a bunch of Healing Amp from a couple Barb Enhancement trees (110 from cores). Ship Buffs give 20 and Divine Crusader core also gives 20.

[XodousRoC]

Where are you getting 210 from on a BF? (that's pretty good). BF have an extra penalty over WF -
with all three ranks of HF and 20 hamp (ship) a heal only hits for 95.

I can hit around 300 Hamp by cap on a fleshy Barb, so it isn't unreasonable. I hit 155 Hamp on a non-barb wf build last life.
*I do have 3 pally PLs though...

A pure wf can take healer's friend to reduce the 50 percent penalty to 20. Pally PLs and Barb cores should cover the rest, with gear adding on enough to top 200 on such a build as the OP's.