More Races

[Steve_Howe]

The race doesn't belong so no changes to a useless ritual fit lore are needed since the race doesn't belong. It would also take to much work for art and animation much more than any other asked for race

I never asked for Dragonborn to be added. I don't want Dragonborn to be added. I will not want Dragonborn to be added in the future.

I merely stated that with a modicum of imagination, there could be a place for them in Eberron. Arguing that the lore of Eberron precludes them is stupid. You'd be much better off just saying they shouldn't be added because they're wanky.

I can't make my point any clearer than that. If you can't grasp that simple concept, then nothing else I can say will have any meaning for you.

[Uska]

I never asked for Dragonborn to be added. I don't want Dragonborn to be added. I will not want Dragonborn to be added in the future.

I merely stated that with a modicum of imagination, there could be a place for them in Eberron. Arguing that the lore of Eberron precludes them is stupid. You'd be much better off just saying they shouldn't be added because they're wanky.

I can't make my point any clearer than that. If you can't grasp that simple concept, then nothing else I can say will have any meaning for you.

No I can't make any clearer the ritual doesn't fit eberron period no matter how you try to retro fix it it doesn't make sense if one knows anything about 3.5 eberron

[Uska]

With even the most primitive imagination, some VERY minor changes could be made to make it fit.

I didn't think I needed to point that out but, apparently, I did.

Also this is borderline violating guideline by tossing an insult

[Steve_Howe]

No I can't make any clearer the ritual doesn't fit eberron period no matter how you try to retro fix it it doesn't make sense if one knows anything about 3.5 eberron

I bet you'd try to find a way to reject Dragonborn even in the Dragonlance setting.

[Steve_Howe]

Also this is borderline violating guideline by tossing an insult

Oh really? Who, specifically, was I insulting?

[Uska]

I bet you'd try to find a way to reject Dragonborn even in the Dragonlance setting.

Dragonborn don't belong there either they had something else

[Uska]

Oh really? Who, specifically, was I insulting?

Saying someone has a primitive imagination is very insulting

[BankCoffer]

So basically they had bend around backwards to shoehorn a few non playable half dragon monsters in, whoop-tie doo, still not a suitable race for players.

So, basically the man behind Ebberon(Keith) and the owning company of dnd(wotc) agreed to allow DMs to place dragonkin in the world? But, Im sure youre right, somewhere, sometimes. Just not here today.

[Steve_Howe]

Saying someone has a primitive imagination is very insulting

Again I ask, who EXACTLY, did I say had a "primitive imagination"?

[Steve_Howe]

So, basically the man behind Ebberon(Keith) and the owning company of dnd(wotc) agreed to allow DMs to place dragonkin in the world? But, Im sure youre right, somewhere, sometimes. Just not here today.

Yup.

[Uska]

Again I ask, who EXACTLY, did I say had a "primitive imagination"?

It was clearly implied and shouldn't have been used period!

[Uska]

Yup.

NPCs only

[lyrecono]

There are plenty of things that can grant divine stuff. Cleric spells for one thing. Also, Favored Souls exist. If there were no divine influences around, how do you explain them? Explain the Silver Flame.

Besides the fact it's stupid, there's absolutely NO REASON why the Dragonborn Ritual of Rebirth can't exist in Eberron.

sight, read the books, nothing grants divine casters spells, magic is so omnipresent that belief in one self allows for spellcasting, seriously, read the book

No the race is stupid and doesn't belong in d&d period and even more so in ddo eberron

agreed

Yeah, I said it was stupid.

Please also note, I didn't say Dragonborn actually belong anywhere. I just pointed out that the ritual of rebirth, as it's written, could exist even in Eberron. That doesn't mean it should be there.

noone in their right mind with the knowlidge of dragons needed for such a ritual, voluntairy changes their looks to a walking dragon snack for a minor stat atribute.

No the ritual fits even less

yep, due to the lore

With even the most primitive imagination, some VERY minor changes could be made to make it fit.

I didn't think I needed to point that out but, apparently, I did.

looks like you're aguing for arguments sake.....

The race doesn't belong so no changes to a useless ritual fit lore are needed since the race doesn't belong. It would also take to much work for art and animation much more than any other asked for race

in other words the race doesn't make sence in game aswell as from a dev's viewpoint, too much effort whille they're short on resources.

I never asked for Dragonborn to be added. I don't want Dragonborn to be added. I will not want Dragonborn to be added in the future.

I merely stated that with a modicum of imagination, there could be a place for them in Eberron. Arguing that the lore of Eberron precludes them is stupid. You'd be much better off just saying they shouldn't be added because they're wanky.

I can't make my point any clearer than that. If you can't grasp that simple concept, then nothing else I can say will have any meaning for you.

like i said before, wasting time by arguing for arguments sake.....

No I can't make any clearer the ritual doesn't fit eberron period no matter how you try to retro fix it it doesn't make sense if one knows anything about 3.5 eberron

yep

So, basically the man behind Ebberon(Keith) and the owning company of dnd(wotc) agreed to allow DMs to place dragonkin in the world? But, Im sure youre right, somewhere, sometimes. Just not here today.

Dragonborn were shoehorned in Eberron by 3 different (dragon fangirl) writters with a small section in their book.

What happens to 4th and 5th edetion doesn't matter, DDo isn't set on it, and by going by the rise of Pathfinder, many home settings didn't follow Wotc's crapy revamp either

[Uska]

sight, read the books, nothing grants divine casters spells, magic is so omnipresent that belief in one self allows for spellcasting, seriously, read the book


agreed


noone in their right mind with the knowlidge of dragons needed for such a ritual, voluntairy changes their looks to a walking dragon snack for a minor stat atribute.


yep, due to the lore


looks like you're aguing for arguments sake.....


in other words the race doesn't make sence in game aswell as from a dev's viewpoint, too much effort whille they're short on resources.


like i said before, wasting time by arguing for arguments sake.....


yep


Dragonborn were shoehorned in Eberron by 3 different (dragon fangirl) writters with a small section in their book.

What happens to 4th and 5th edetion doesn't matter, DDo isn't set on it, and by going by the rise of Pathfinder, many home settings didn't follow Wotc's crapy revamp either

Agree with all and I quit d&d pnp for HM5

[AshurDS]

Personally, Im not a fan of the "exotic" races in dungeons and dragons. Im kinda old school and am a fan of classic D&D. That said, i would support gnomes to finish off the core races. If i did support an "exotic" i think my vote would be for Kobald. If i remember correctly, it has been asked for many times in the past.

Ashur

[FranOhmsford]

Dragonborn don't belong there either they had something else

Draconians created by Takhisis {A Greater God! And the only one still known to be around on Krynn at the time!} as an Army loyal to her every whim! Draconian PCs don't make sense either!

Half-Dragons as shown in Council of Wyrms are far too OP to be allowed in DDO! And would also be hunted down as abominations by the Dragons of Argonnessen!

[FranOhmsford]

Personally, Im not a fan of the "exotic" races in dungeons and dragons. Im kinda old school and am a fan of classic D&D. That said, i would support gnomes to finish off the core races. If i did support an "exotic" i think my vote would be for Kobald. If i remember correctly, it has been asked for many times in the past.

Ashur

My list would be:

1) Gnome
1a) Forest Gnomes based on the AD&D 2nd Ed. version that is +Wis!
1b) Zilargo Gnomes of Eberron - Artificer based +Int.
1c) Svirfneblin - Also based on the AD&D 2nd Ed. version that is +Wis!

2) Kobold

3) Dwarf Subrace
3a) Mountain Dwarves +2 Con/Wis
3b) Duergar - +2 Str/Con

4) The missing Elf Sub-Race - Sylvan Elf +2 Str/Dex, -2 Con/Cha

5) Lupin {Mystara} or Gnoll: Flind.

6) Hobgoblin {We already have H-Orcs so Orc would be a problem to balance - Hobgoblin is the better option.}.

[Steve_Howe]

It was clearly implied and shouldn't have been used period!

You inferred wrong then. I wasn't speaking about anyone specifically. I was talking about anyone (rules lawyers mostly) who were so rigid in their thinking regarding the use of D&D rules, worlds, and such that they couldn't use their imaginations in a creative way.

[Steve_Howe]

NPCs only

Keith never said that.

If you insist he did, give me a link to your source.

[Steve_Howe]

Half-Dragons as shown in Council of Wyrms are far too OP to be allowed in DDO! And would also be hunted down as abominations by the Dragons of Argonnessen!

I can't think of a SINGLE post on the DDO Forums that suggested Half-Dragons be added as a player race. No has even suggested adding the Draconic Creature template either. Plenty of people have, however, suggested adding Dragonborn which I have ALWAYS voiced opposition to when I saw those suggestions.