And a pleasant surprise it was too. Good to find somewhere that folk CAN be themselves. And not be total (pick your own derogatory word)s. Thanks for your welcome , its refreshing amongst the rubbish posted generally within the forums. My kids (kids, they tower over me!) have definitely grown to be themselves.....makes life "interesting", not always for the good, or for their parents sanity, but they are individuals who are making their own ways. Good luck for the future.