Cocoon has to be harder to twist.

[Wipey]

Cocoon should get Renewal treatment. Move to tier 3, and usable on yourself only in PA.
Consecration one tier higher.
Remove Blood Strength altogether while you are it.

Change Reconstruct to Repair Crit, susceptible to interruption.

[Wh070aa]

No. Its one of the things that gives solo players freedom to build something without needing cleric friend.

If the hirelings were actually working, I would not mind, but since its the only reliable source of healing available to most, it should not be nerfed anymore than it already has been. It's replacement for working pocket hireling.

[JOTMON]

Cocoon should get Renewal treatment. Move to tier 3, and usable on yourself only in PA.
Consecration one tier higher.
Remove Blood Strength altogether while you are it.

Change Reconstruct to Repair Crit, susceptible to interruption.

screw that. go away.

[Ape_Man]

Cocoon should get Renewal treatment. Move to tier 3, and usable on yourself only in PA.
Consecration one tier higher.
Remove Blood Strength altogether while you are it.

Change Reconstruct to Repair Crit, susceptible to interruption.

Maybe a year ago you'd have a point, but why would any of this matter now with CSW/LoH pallies, bards who have CSW also, pew-pew rogues who can get 600 off a hjeal scroll, and barbarians who heal like Wolverine?

[UurlockYgmeov]

If you don't like them - don't use them.

Blood Strength is great.

[BankCoffer]

Cocoon should get Renewal treatment. Move to tier 3, and usable on yourself only in PA.
Consecration one tier higher.
Remove Blood Strength altogether while you are it.

Change Reconstruct to Repair Crit, susceptible to interruption.

I would also like to add to your list. nerf cure spells and hamp. Then nerf prr and hps from epic lives. Nerf heavy armor. nerf evasion. nerf pally saves. nerf shiradi procs. nerf joy. Nerf arcane supremacy. nerf wolves and trees. nerf manyshot and 10k. Nerf mechs.

Did I miss anything?

[psykopeta]

I would also like to add to your list. nerf cure spells and hamp. Then nerf prr and hps from epic lives. Nerf heavy armor. nerf evasion. nerf pally saves. nerf shiradi procs. nerf joy. Nerf arcane supremacy. nerf wolves and trees. nerf manyshot and 10k. Nerf mechs.

Did I miss anything?

yup, nerf hp, nobody should have over 200hp, ever

also i would suppress spellpower

and would move spells to spell slots, so X uses per rest, like action boosts which share number of uses, the code already exists, just use it

[General_Gronker]

Cocoon should get Renewal treatment. Move to tier 3, and usable on yourself only in PA.
Consecration one tier higher.
Remove Blood Strength altogether while you are it.

Change Reconstruct to Repair Crit, susceptible to interruption.

Why? As I told someone else, if you're going to propose stupid ideas, it's in your best interest to explain your reasoning. Without your reasoning, these are nothing but stupid ideas.

[FranOhmsford]

Maybe a year ago you'd have a point, but why would any of this matter now with CSW/LoH pallies, bards who have CSW also, pew-pew rogues who can get 600 off a hjeal scroll, and barbarians who heal like Wolverine?

Paladins are SUPPOSED to have Lay on Hands and Cure Serious Wounds!
Bards are supposed to have Cures!
Heal Scrolls are available to everybody who can get the UMD and have been for years!

Barbs should NEVER have been given Enhancement based Self Healing! And certainly not the amount they've got now!


Cocoon is a broken ability and always has been from the moment it was introduced!


These days it's just a case of getting into Primal Avatar to twist out Cocoon and Profit!

The problem with that is that characters who don't have Cocoon are massively weaker than those who do!

A Fighter or Monk who hits Epic {doesn't have to be a 1st life - could be a TRd alt that has never run Epics or a returnee from before MotU} will be Lvl 23 before he/she even gets to Primal Avatar! {If he/she starts in Leg Dread, swaps to Shiradi immediately upon hitting lvl 4 then swaps to Primal immediately upon hitting Lvl 3 Shiradi!}.
He'll be 24 before he has all 3 ranks in Cocoon unless he doesn't take 24!

[UurlockYgmeov]

I would also like to add to your list. nerf cure spells and hamp. Then nerf prr and hps from epic lives. Nerf heavy armor. nerf evasion. nerf pally saves. nerf shiradi procs. nerf joy. Nerf arcane supremacy. nerf wolves and trees. nerf manyshot and 10k. Nerf mechs.

Did I miss anything?

Yes - Nerf Banks! and Coffers! :P and Coffee! and Caffeine!

[BankCoffer]

Coffee! and Caffeine!

Sorry, I had a redbull and couldnt help myself.

[fmalfeas]

You forgot to demand that DDO be put the way it should be! Everyone plays Commoners, the largest sum of loot held anywhere but a dragon's horde is 10cp per looting, and there's only 2 +1 weapons in the entire game. One club, and a kama. There is no magic armor, in fact, there is only padded, and you don't start with it. There are also no magic accessories. Mobs, however, are not reduced in power at all.

And all enhancements have something to do with farming, or serving food and ale in taverns.

Also, we're all reduced to 14 point buy. You can't take an adventuring class until completing your 20th life, and then you can only take 1 level of it per life you have past 20. Also, you have to unlock each level of each adventuring class one at a time before you can use them.

I think we can make this game as hard as anyone could want!

[Steve_Howe]

Cocoon should get Renewal treatment. Move to tier 3, and usable on yourself only in PA.
Consecration one tier higher.
Remove Blood Strength altogether while you are it.

Change Reconstruct to Repair Crit, susceptible to interruption.

You have a cleric that can't get into raids?

[FranOhmsford]

You have a cleric that can't get into raids?

Doesn't everybody?

I'm not talking about a multiclass Cleric that's a Cleric in name only but about that alt Pure Cleric we all have that needs to be babied through even EN content because it can't do a d@rn thing other than heal and no-one even needs any healing!

[Lonnbeimnech]

Doesn't everybody?

I'm not talking about a multiclass Cleric that's a Cleric in name only but about that alt Pure Cleric we all have that needs to be babied through even EN content because it can't do a d@rn thing other than heal and no-one even needs any healing!

Divine disciple can do much more than heal. They are plenty strong enough to solo eh. EE might be tough.

[Enoach]

You have a cleric that can't get into raids?

I have a pure cleric, never had difficulty getting into a raid or any group they applied to.

Doesn't everybody?

I'm not talking about a multiclass Cleric that's a Cleric in name only but about that alt Pure Cleric we all have that needs to be babied through even EN content because it can't do a d@rn thing other than heal and no-one even needs any healing!

This sounds more like build choices, just because a cleric can specialize in all of the healing aspects available does not mean that those are the best choices. A cleric can still be the top at healing even help a group of self-healing builds be better. They can also contribute a lot to the completion of that quest based on Melee or Caster specialization. The sign of a good cleric build is that they can do at least two things really well be it Melee/Healing or Caster/Healing or even Melee/Caster (this one is tougher than the other two). But it does not make the third part disappear its just not very strong.

Divine disciple can do much more than heal. They are plenty strong enough to solo eh. EE might be tough.

While I don't solo EE on my War Priest at the higher level, I have managed to do pretty well at the low to mid level epics. Again, its all about the choices. Personally I prefer to group as the cleric has a lot to offer a group, even if for the most part they are not aware of that contribution.

[cdbd3rd]

...

Did I miss anything?

Don't nerf mah flowers!!

... Everyone plays Commoners, the largest sum of loot held anywhere but a dragon's horde is 10cp per looting, and there's only 2 +1 weapons in the entire game. One club, and a kama. There is no magic armor, in fact, there is only padded, and you don't start with it. There are also no magic accessories....

Hmmm. You didn't sneak in on one of my old 1st ed PnP sessions did you?

[nibel]

Cocoon should get Renewal treatment. Move to tier 3, and usable on yourself only in PA.
Consecration one tier higher.
Remove Blood Strength altogether while you are it.

Change Reconstruct to Repair Crit, susceptible to interruption.

IMO, cocoon can be fixed with one of those changes (but not both):

- Change the THP to 1, keep everything else equal.
- Make the character actually enter a cocoon and be immobile and can't attack while it is healing her (think Tea, without the invulnerability).

Blood Strength should be moved to Occult Slayer.

Communion of Scribing should read "You add Reconstruction to your Paladin Spell list as a level 4 spell".

[Steve_Howe]

I have a pure cleric, never had difficulty getting into a raid or any group they applied to.

I wasn't talking to you or about YOUR cleric.

[unbongwah]

Oh goody, another "self-healing makes the game too easy, so let's nerf it" thread. Certainly been a long time since we had one of those...