Please consider leaving Lam up permanently.

[Cetus]

Absolutely for this - this is a no brainer.

[Barbarbar]

You don`t fool anyone no matter how hard you all cry.

Would you suggest the same if you didn`t have access to infinite TP,XP,Renown,Gear?

Feedback?Lets take the 3 last Updates

During the TOEE release at peak hours.
45 people at the Dojo
6 at the quests
These numbers haven`t changed for 6 hours (so excuses like they were levelling etc don`t stand)

During the Warlock preview 95% of them were standing in the Dojo killing CR 0.25 Kobolds by enervating them and giggled for their achievement.
No LFMs
Who list was all Dojo and when an LFM was up no one was hitting it.


At the last Update things got better because of the new content with just 80% standing at the Dojo but after getting crushed Day 1 people went back to their experimentation.

If there are two bugs affecting players,one granting +5 Crit Threat and one reducing your Crit Threat by 2 which one you are going to report and which one will be fixed immediately?

If you want to try a class do it on live and support the company with Tomes of Learning,XP pots,Daily Dice rolls,Buying classes,content,races go VIP etc and don`t complain about the new quests being short or that we don`t have enough resources anymore and your Everything for Free Server (even for Premiums) is a good idea.

If you hate the grinding go find another game.

Trying to get a feeling of accomplishment in a Sandbox environment means nothing and you lose the essence of the game.

Its like getting a new game lets say Ark and the first thing you do is go local and enable cheats in the console to go immediately at cap or running The Witcher 3 with trainers.
Gratz you just threw 60$ at the garbage bin.

Sorry but i can`t relate to the casual playstyle you guys prefer and i prefer the real thing.

[legendkilleroll]

I dont think it should be permanent

IMO alot of people who would are the ones in achievment section, EE raids with people from all the servers, unlimited resources for their solo speed runs etc

[Cetus]

I don't really see a problem with that, it would allow people from different servers to schedule runs and it would allow heavy play testers to try out builds without dumping costly resources on things that might not work.

The game is sufficiently complicated that a testing ground would be welcomed.

[Jappy]

I don't really see a problem with that, it would allow people from different servers to schedule runs and it would allow heavy play testers to try out builds without dumping costly resources on things that might not work.

The game is sufficiently complicated that a testing ground would be welcomed.

I agree and the solution so ddo makes money is that only Vips can play on lammina all the time and turbine can refresh whenever

[Memnir]

I'm 100% neutral in this - I don't bother logging in on Lamm anymore, anyways.

However, if it was left up all the time - I can easily see the "leave it up all the time," pleas morphing to "please don't wipe my characters! I worked hard on them!" And so on and so forth until it became pretty much just another server.

[Failedlegend]

I agree and the solution so ddo makes money is that only Vips can play on lammina all the time and turbine can refresh whenever

VIP should not be "better" than premium its just one type of pay style one monthly and one a-la-carte so that statement should reads "VIPs can always use Lammania and Premiums can do the same with a Lammania Access Pass, During testing phases Lama will be opened to everyone, Warning: Lammania will be reset on a regular basis"

Frankly VIP and Premium needs to be renamed to Subscription and A-La-Carte so people get that being a VIP shouldn't grant anything a premium cant buy, that said being Subbed should grant you all classes, adventure packs, races, etc. free that includes all the expansions.

[Uska]

VIP should not be "better" than premium its just one type of pay style one monthly and one a-la-carte so that statement should reads "VIPs can always use Lammania and Premiums can do the same with a Lammania Access Pass, During testing phases Lama will be opened to everyone, Warning: Lammania will be reset on a regular basis"

Frankly VIP and Premium needs to be renamed to Subscription and A-La-Carte so people get that being a VIP shouldn't grant anything a premium cant buy, that said being Subbed should grant you all classes, adventure packs, races, etc. free that includes all the expansions.

The thing is VIP's continually pay and while most premiums wait for sales. I don't think it should be up always as some would play there only even with wipes and never contribute to the game with money but as VIP perk it might be ok

and your wrong about expansions everyone should have to pay for those even games with lifetime subs charge for those.

[btolson]

When Lam most recently came up, I did the things that were my priority: testing a couple of build ideas. When I finally got around to thinking about the new quests, the server was down again. Ditto last time.

I tend to do the same thing. Many times I don't even get on to Lam because they choose to only have it open during the same time as e.g., +20% xp weekend on the live servers, which is foolish.


Ideally I'd like to have it up 24/7 as well, since this game has so many intricacies (and bugs) that present a barrier to theorycrafting on paper.

24/7 isn't necessary though. I'd settle for it coming up Monday morning through Thursday morning every other week. My laundry list of things to test isn't so exhaustive that I'd need it open more often than that.

[irnimnode]

heck i would just like to play the game will not work for me any more

[Lemdog]

Yeah please have lamm up permenantly. I would like to test toons at any given time, char wipe every 1-2 weeks, and access to limited resources so theres incentive to stay on live.

[sudzz]

it is quite clear you understand nothing.

you dont understand that you don't actually keep anything since the servers are continuously reset.
you dont understand tha testing you character build and how it performs in a raid gives you a better understanding testing mechanics and how thins actually work not how the description incorrectly says it does.
you dont understand that if you mess your TR or your LR to see if it is possible to fix or change something in a positive way you may not ragequit the game instead of using real money to fix something that was screwy in the game mechanics..(like LR'ing a 3class toon)

Lamannia is what it is, but it can be used for more.

Ongoing feedback that can be replicated and documented on a test server repeatedly without costing live game resources is a benefit to the entire player base. Better identification of flaws=better chance they will fix it right instead of rush patching.

It could be a win win and a personal sandbox.

You are the one here who does not understand Lammania is never going to be full time and all your arguing is not going to change that so get over it and move on. Resetting every 2 weeks would have a cost implication for staff time and man hours to ensure the server came up exactly as it should and there simply is no benefit to Turbine to do this, the fact that you can test builds on Lamma is not the primary purpose, the primary purpose as has been pointed out several times already but repeated here again is that it is for testing NEW CONTENT in a preview environment to iron out some of the bugs, if you are choosing to spend all of your time building a super toon to blast through the new stuff and then deride how "easy" it was then again you are completely missing the point for the server to exist. Transfer over your toon from live and run the new stuff as that will give you an idea how hard or easy it will be in the real world and not on some super triple everything with best of kit toon that will never be built by you on live.

[richieelias27]

Wow. Can't believe you people are still seriously discussing this.

Worst idea in the history of DDO.

To every single one of you who are repeating "If the characters get reset, there will be incentive to stay on live": Really? Seriously?

I can create a toon, level it to 28, cap out all destinies, and twink out with full end-game gear in under 20 minutes. A reset is nothing more than a minor inconvenience.

Add to this the fact that you have unlimited TP, and thus access to everything that you would normally have to pay money for.

Please explain how that minor speedbump of a reset makes 20 minutes of character creation MORE of an ordeal than real money + months of grinding. You people are delusional.

[Lemdog]

Wow. Can't believe you people are still seriously discussing this.

Worst idea in the history of DDO.

To every single one of you who are repeating "If the characters get reset, there will be incentive to stay on live": Really? Seriously?

I can create a toon, level it to 28, cap out all destinies, and twink out with full end-game gear in under 20 minutes. A reset is nothing more than a minor inconvenience.

Add to this the fact that you have unlimited TP, and thus access to everything that you would normally have to pay money for.

Please explain how that minor speedbump of a reset makes 20 minutes of character creation MORE of an ordeal than real money + months of grinding. You people are delusional.

Ok, but then how do we test a toon so we dont expend valuable resources into something that you aren't sure will work?

[richieelias27]

Ok, but then how do we test a toon so we dont expend valuable resources into something that you aren't sure will work?

You count yourself lucky that the PREVIEW server even exists and you do it there when it is up.

It is a preview server, not a build testing server.

A reasonable alternative might be a free for all offline application that consists of nothing but a leveler and a test dummy, but I doubt they have the time or manpower to sink into that sort of project.

Honestly, a major part of the fun (and quite possibly a not insignificant source of revenue for turbine) in this game for many people is experimenting with builds and seeing if they work. I'm quite certain that I am not the only person playing this game who completely ignores the TR/completionist aspect of the game because they find the grind mind-numbingly boring. Making a billion alts? Fun every time. Lamma being permanent would definitely crush any incentive for anyone who plays the game like myself to ever spend another dime (or time on the live servers) again.

[DevilYouKnow]

I can't believe you guys are serious about this ? Just wow...

[Failedlegend]

I can't believe you guys are serious about this ? Just wow...

If this was any other Game I wouldn't suggest having such free access to a debug/test server but this is DDO which is amazing for it's extremely wide range of character building options (even excluding traps) but this same system also makes it so you could get to mid-high levels before you realize something you built for doesn't work (Ie. Druid Wolf or Bear Forms not getting dex to damage from Monk Ninja Spy despite being piercing damage) so whenever Lama pops up alot of people use this opportunity to test these things out reducing the amount of time actually testing what the devs want us to do.

There's two solutions to this

1. Block everything that isn't related to this round of testing (ie. Warlock Lama Test people could ONLY make warlocks)

2. Turn Lammania into a permanent server


Solution one would work but would hurt live game as being able to use lammania to test makes alot of the more wild builds possible without having to reroll dozens of times.

Solution Two brings up the issue of people just always playing on Lammania, luckily it's easily solved by setting up an automated weekly server reset, that's more than enough time for even a person who plays once a week to get some testing in but not conducive to actual play.

This allows for testing to be done always (which will also increase the amount of bug reporting when something doesn't work, thats good) and when there's an actual Lammania testing period people will be more inclined to test out the new stuff instead of trying to cram all their testing of their own into the short Lama up times.


Sidenote: I'd be ok if they limited people to the Dojo when not during an official testing phase if they added some sort of mob spawner into a private instanced area. (Prob replace the kobold squad with a "quest entrance" that led to an arena with a cannith-esque console for summoning mobs)

[Jappy]

If this was any other Game I wouldn't suggest having such free access to a debug/test server but this is DDO which is amazing for it's extremely wide range of character building options (even excluding traps) but this same system also makes it so you could get to mid-high levels before you realize something you built for doesn't work (Ie. Druid Wolf or Bear Forms not getting dex to damage from Monk Ninja Spy despite being piercing damage) so whenever Lama pops up alot of people use this opportunity to test these things out reducing the amount of time actually testing what the devs want us to do.

There's two solutions to this

1. Block everything that isn't related to this round of testing (ie. Warlock Lama Test people could ONLY make warlocks)

2. Turn Lammania into a permanent server


Solution one would work but would hurt live game as being able to use lammania to test makes alot of the more wild builds possible without having to reroll dozens of times.

Solution Two brings up the issue of people just always playing on Lammania, luckily it's easily solved by setting up an automated weekly server reset, that's more than enough time for even a person who plays once a week to get some testing in but not conducive to actual play.

This allows for testing to be done always (which will also increase the amount of bug reporting when something doesn't work, thats good) and when there's an actual Lammania testing period people will be more inclined to test out the new stuff instead of trying to cram all their testing of their own into the short Lama up times.


Sidenote: I'd be ok if they limited people to the Dojo when not during an official testing phase if they added some sort of mob spawner into a private instanced area. (Prob replace the kobold squad with a "quest entrance" that led to an arena with a cannith-esque console for summoning mobs)

Yeah agreed