Developers, can we talk about the Binding status of items?

[Iriale]

I don't really care if it's BtAoE, BtCoE or unbound, as long as we can sell and trade them.



Not changing the binding status of items because of loot storage is silly. Make some mules or sell stuff. Even I, with tons of stuff on my main character, have still room for more BtC stuff.

Not that giving us more bank space is a bad idea but it's not a good enough reason to NOT make loot sellable or tradeable.

mules are not useful with btc gear. We have so many btc gear for the limited storage that we have. Devs, solve the btc named gear storage and then give us more btc items. Not before.

understand, wizza, you want sell items, I sympathize with this. I could to do too. But many people don't buy if have storage problems. For example, i think a lot before acquire a new btc item. Solve the storage problem is important too for the trade.

I can not vote for btcoe items while the storage is so limited, sorry. I don’t mind about btaoe items, however. I’m against btc items only. A mix of items btaoa and btaoe would be nice for a compromise between trade and need to run the pack. But before the loot should be good, of course. The meh quality of this update don’t help the trade either lol.

[Iriale]

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[Wizza]

mules are not useful with btc gear. We have so many btc gear for the limited storage that we have. Devs, solve the btc named gear storage and then give us more btc items. Not before.

understand, wizza, you want sell items, I sympathize with this. I could to do too. But many people don't buy if have storage problems. For example, i think a lot before acquire a new btc item. Solve the storage problem is important too for the trade.

I can not vote for btcoe items while the storage is so limited, sorry. I don’t mind about btaoe items, however. I’m against btc items only. A mix of items btaoa and btaoe would be nice for a compromise between trade and need to run the pack. But before the loot should be good, of course. The meh quality of this update don’t help the trade either lol.

I can't make them give us suddenly 40 more bags. I do agree that we need more BtC space, I've always asked them to give us more Bank space. I think Robai has made 30 threads about it and I pretty much supported all of his threads but I can't do more than that.

I'd rather sell meh loot than no loot at all in the end. I'd rather have 1 free space and sell 1 loot than not playing the game because I have no carrot in the game.

EDIT: I'm gonna edit my previous post to word it better as well, I don't wanna come off as rude or mean

[Vanhooger]

I don't really care if it's BtAoE, BtCoE or unbound, as long as we can sell and trade them.



Not changing the binding status of items because of loot storage is silly. Make some mules or sell stuff. Even I, with tons of stuff on my main character, have still room for more BtC stuff.

Not that giving us more bank space is a bad idea but it's not a good enough reason to NOT make loot sellable or tradeable.

I have to agree with Iriale, I do a lot of tr with my main, so got a lot of equip for heroic tr, epic tr, and at cap item. Every time I do tr, I have to delete NAMED item, because I have no space, as well it takes at least 30 min to take out thing from cache. Till they don't give more space, I prefer BTA.

I thinks they should find the right balance between BTA, BTCoE etc so peop;e who do enjoy trading they can.

[Wizza]

I have to agree with Iriale, I do a lot of tr with my main, so got a lot of equip for heroic tr, epic tr, and at cap item. Every time I do tr, I have to delete NAMED item, because I have no space, as well it takes at least 30 min to take out thing from cache. Till they don't give more space, I prefer BTA.

I thinks they should find the right balance between BTA, BTCoE etc so peop;e who do enjoy trading they can.

I edited that post to make it clearer

What I meant is: I agree with having more space. But I would prioritize giving endgamers a carrot than making more BtC space. They should both be a priority for Turbine (besides making them money with Bank space).

I, like everyone, had to delete named items because of no space and I really hated it as well, but if I had to choose between deleting an old piece of loot and getting a new, more useful one and maybe sell it, I would always pick the second option.

[JOTMON]

I edited that post to make it clearer

What I meant is: I agree with having more space. But I would prioritize giving endgamers a carrot than making more BtC space. They should both be a priority for Turbine (besides making them money with Bank space).

I, like everyone, had to delete named items because of no space and I really hated it as well, but if I had to choose between deleting an old piece of loot and getting a new, more useful one and maybe sell it, I would always pick the second option.

I hate having to delete my loot.
I have been an advocate for player housing in the hopes that it will offer huge amounts of additional storage in a way that is useful.
TR storage is such a pain in the ..... every TR it takes 3-5 seconds to remove each item from the TR storage with cascading pages of bank error's..
I end up watching tv for an hour while I am 123 click.. 123 click.. zombie clicking the items to move to my inventory from the TR cache.... I am thinking I should get one of those friggin teeter-totter dippy bird thingys..





I would hope DDO at some point realizes we want more useful interactive storage options and better TR caches .

[Iriale]

I can't make them give us suddenly 40 more bags. I do agree that we need more BtC space, I've always asked them to give us more Bank space. I think Robai has made 30 threads about it and I pretty much supported all of his threads but I can't do more than that.

I'd rather sell meh loot than no loot at all in the end. I'd rather have 1 free space and sell 1 loot than not playing the game because I have no carrot in the game.

EDIT: I'm gonna edit my previous post to word it better as well, I don't wanna come off as rude or mean

Don’t worry I've read you a lot in these forums and have great respect for your opinion. I know you're a polite person. Sometimes I seem too harsh, although I don’t want to be, but my English is very limited.

I just can not vote for more btc items. But I support a mix of btaoa btaoe items, and win something for everyone, traders and turbine (need to play the pack) If you vote fot this, we think the same. But btc no, please, btc no. Regards to new bank tabs, I think that is not a solution. Devs seem to have trouble adding more, and the TR cache is frustrating enough now. I think that a completely new parallel storage system is the only solution (trophy case, player house, new Kundarak vault, etc, players have given a lot of ideas!) and remove the TR cache. Honestly, every time I TR, empty the cache gives me laziness and considerable anger. With my younger alts is not so bad, but with my main is a nightmare: so many btc name gear, for too many different classes.

[Wizza]

I hate having to delete my loot.
I have been an advocate for player housing in the hopes that it will offer huge amounts of additional storage in a way that is useful.
TR storage is such a pain in the ..... every TR it takes 3-5 seconds to remove each item from the TR storage with cascading pages of bank error's..
I end up watching tv for an hour while I am 123 click.. 123 click.. zombie clicking the items to move to my inventory from the TR cache.... I am thinking I should get one of those friggin teeter-totter dippy bird thingys..

I would hope DDO at some point realizes we want more useful interactive storage options and better TR caches .

TR cache should just be eliminated and replaced with free 100 Bank space. There is one thing more annoying than Red Alert in this game and it's the TR cache with all its awful bugs and loading times.

Don’t worry I've read you a lot in these forums and have great respect for your opinion. I know you're a polite person. Sometimes I seem too harsh, although I don’t want to be, but my English is very limited.

It's alright, you don't seem harsh at all, on the contrary.

I've been told I'm too harsh sometimes but it's not really my intention (most of the times, at least).

I just can not vote for more btc items. But I support a mix of btaoa btaoe items, and win something for everyone, traders and turbine (need to play the pack) If you vote fot this, we think the same. But btc no, please, btc no. Regards to new bank tabs, I think that is not a solution. Devs seem to have trouble adding more, and the TR cache is frustrating enough now. I think that a completely new parallel storage system is the only solution (trophy case, player house, new Kundarak vault, etc, players have given a lot of ideas!) and remove the TR cache. Honestly, every time I TR, empty the cache gives me laziness and considerable anger. With my younger alts is not so bad, but with my main is a nightmare: so many btc name gear, for too many different classes.

How do we exactly determine which items should be BtA and which ones unbound tho? Let's take a look at ToEE's items. We have the Golden Orb unbound and I'm happy for it, since I can buy or sell it for my caster. Then we have the Assassin Dagger, which is bound, so Assassins have either to farm it or just forget about it. Granted, it would still be a better system than the whole unsellable/untradeable items' system that we have now.

[JOTMON]

Don’t worry I've read you a lot in these forums and have great respect for your opinion. I know you're a polite person. Sometimes I seem too harsh, although I don’t want to be, but my English is very limited.

I just can not vote for more btc items. But I support a mix of btaoa btaoe items, and win something for everyone, traders and turbine (need to play the pack) If you vote fot this, we think the same. But btc no, please, btc no. Regards to new bank tabs, I think that is not a solution. Devs seem to have trouble adding more, and the TR cache is frustrating enough now. I think that a completely new parallel storage system is the only solution (trophy case, player house, new Kundarak vault, etc, players have given a lot of ideas!) and remove the TR cache. Honestly, every time I TR, empty the cache gives me laziness and considerable anger. With my younger alts is not so bad, but with my main is a nightmare: so many btc name gear, for too many different classes.

OG.. don't be nice to him...

[Wizza]

OG.. don't be nice to him...

Are you afraid I can steal your lootz?

[JOTMON]

Are you afraid I can steal your lootz?

you are supposed to be an elitistjerk.. cant have people finding out there are nice people on Argo..

[slarden]

Not strictly true: I have numerous copies of the same BtA item for convenience. Relogging to get my BTA items would really suck. The exceptions are very low level BtA (eg. the robes from Co6).It's great to pull some items on a character and know I can use it on another. Also, if I know I already have 1 or 2 spare in the bank, it's a great incentive to offer them to other people on the spot. This is a good social outcome, especially if pugging with newer players.

Same.I don't know anyone that keeps only one copy of bta gear and their shared bank. What I might do is pass the item to a lesser alt after I get a raid item replacement.

[Talon_Moonshadow]

I still think the AH was the worst thing to happen to the game...

[Braegan]

I still think the AH was the worst thing to happen to the game...

Trading doesn't always have anything to do with the AH, just saying.

[JOTMON]

I still think the AH was the worst thing to happen to the game...

AH was fine.. the ASAH well.. that's a different story....

[Aelonwy]

I prefer BTA. Like many others I have multiple playing alts, so I actually keep multiples of many BTA items for convenience sake. However, I understand the need that some players have for trading and I respect that need. The solution has been suggested on these forums many, many times for at least 2 years now... BTAoE. It exists on all Ioun Stones, so we know they can do it. Its tradeable, it doesn't suffer from permanent damage, switch it between alts, store it on a mule, it slices, dices and cleans your carpet... oops sorry got carried away. I would be willing to pay more for a BTAoE item than a BTCoE item, heck like many have already said, I think twice about purchasing a BTCoE item at all. The only reason the devs could have for not making more things BTAoE is that they see more content sales from BTA loot than AH/ASAH tradeable loot. However, if they took it a step further they could easily have content with both - loot that is BTA only and loot that is BTAoE to satisfy both crowds without exacerbating our storage space further.

[HuneyMunster]

BtAoE satisfies both parties here and it not like its never been done before.

[moo_cow]

There's more to discuss here, but one short thing worth nothing: From our point of view, looking globally, being able to trade loot doesn't result in increased running of quests. For every piece of loot you trade to someone else, that just means you ran the quest more, and someone else ran the quest less (whoever got the loot from you). That's not to say trading is always and inherently undesirable, nor is it inherently desirable.

In summary, "I'll run this quest more if I can trade the loot!" isn't inherently compelling as a reason to make more of the loot in DDO unbound or bind on equip. We do realize this affects different players differently (sellers vs. buyers).

We continue to use a variety of binding in different situations, and sometimes the same situation, and expect that to continue in the future. Occasionally some players believe a single update indicates a new method has been chosen, Now and Forever. This is explicitly not the case for loot binding.

If only this issue could be solved with some sort of system that is already in the game. Perhaps something like seal/shards/scrolls to satisfy both the bta, btc, and not bound at all. This allows us to use the shard exchange for scrolls. And it makes it so we have to get the seal/shard ourselves. I love running content so I can sell items for shards. Problem for those of us that do this is we have nothing to sell since we haven't had non bound loot in a while. Reintroducing this systems allow for both sides of this argument to be happy, a sort of compromise.

This hurts the purpose of mythic weapons though. Instead of making both regular sets of ingredients and a mythic set though you could give us an ingredient specific to the pack that upgrades an item from epic > mythic.

This just makes sense to me. Anyone else?

[moo_cow]

you are supposed to be an elitistjerk.. cant have people finding out there are nice people on Argo..

Don't worry I can be mean enough to compensate for him.

[Braegan]

BtAoE satisfies both parties here and it not like its never been done before.

I would be fine with that.