Wardin of Oaths

[Son_of_the_South]

Looking for some constructive criticism on this build. Please go at it, I've thick skin.

Disclaimer: I haven't yet played a Warlock so this is just a concept. This is also only for the Warlock PL. I wont be spending much/any time in Epics.

The idea is:

High PRR/MRR from Defender Stance (Tier 4)
High HP (from both Defender and tempt HP's ES enhancements)
Paly saves
Single Weapon Fighting bonuses (so no shield)
Using the Eldritch Bursts from Enlightened Spirit and melee to mop up.
Healing with UMD and Paly LoH for emergencies

While I will run in Med Armour, I may well go to Heavy Armour dependant on ASF issues. I've taken IC:Bludgeon as I intend on using Skullsmasher (have the ML:12 and 14 version).

I haven't taken Precision although this is certainly a consideration, I would have to tweak my starting stats a bit.

EDIT: FoP is a bit of a filler for the 18th level feat until i decide whether i should take Precision (earlier) and re-structure the feats altogether (this might mean dropping Empower). Quicken is taken because i have eschewed Concentration in favor of UMD, Spellpower, Heal and some Jump plus the necessary ranks in Balance for SWF line.

New Build
16/4 Warlock/Paladin
Lawful Good Human


Level Order

1. Warlock. . . . .6. Warlock. . . . 11. Warlock. . . . 16. Warlock
2. Warlock. . . . .7. Warlock. . . . 12. Warlock. . . . 17. Warlock
3. Paladin . . . . 8. Warlock . . . .13. Warlock . . . .18. Warlock
4. Paladin . . . . 9. Paladin. . . . 14. Warlock. . . . 19. Warlock
5. Paladin . . . .10. Warlock . . . .15. Warlock . . . .20. Warlock


Stats
. . . . . . . .36pt . . Tome . . Level Up
. . . . . . . .---- . . ---- . . --------
Strength. . . . 15. . . .+5. . . .4: CHA
Dexterity . . . .8. . . .+4. . . .8: CHA
Constitution. . 16. . . .+5. . . 12: CHA
Intelligence. . 10. . . .+4. . . 16: CHA
Wisdom. . . . . .8. . . .+4. . . 20: CHA
Charisma. . . . 18. . . .+4. . .


Skills
. . . . . W. W. P .P. P .W .W .W .P. W. W. W. W. W. W. W. W. W. W. W
. . . . . 1. 2. 3 .4. 5 .6 .7 .8 .9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
. . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
Spellcr . 4. . . . . . . 1. 1. 2. . .1 .2 .2 .1 .1 .2 .2 .1 .1 .1 .1 .23
UMD . . . 4. 1. . . . . .2 .1 .2 . . 2. 1. 2. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Jump. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2. 2. 2. 2. 3. 1. 1. 1. 14
Heal. . . 2. . .1. 1 .1. . . . . .2. . . . . . . . . . . . . 1. 1. 1. 10
Balance . . .1 .1. 1 .1. . .1 . . 1 .½ .½ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .7
. . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
. . . . .12. 3. 3 .3. 3 .3 .4 .4 .4. 4. 4. 4. 4. 4. 5. 5. 5. 5. 5. 5


Feats

.1. . . . : Maximize Spell
.1 Human. : Quicken Spell
.1 Warlock: Pact: Fey
.3. . . . : Single Weapon Fighting
.3 Deity. : Follower of: Sovereign Host
.6. . . . : Empower Spell
.9. . . . : Improved Single Weapon Fighting
12. . . . : Improved Critical: Bludgeoning
15. . . . : Greater Single Weapon Fighting
18. . . . : Force of Personality


Spells

Warlock

1. Jump, Nightshield
2. Blur, Protection from Energy
3. Haste, Dimension Door
4. Evard's Black Tentacles, True Seeing
5. Tenser's Transformation
6. Symbol of Death

Paladin

1. <Any>

[tsteigner]

Looking for some constructive criticism on this build. Please go at it, I've thick skin.

New Build
16/4 Warlock/Paladin
Lawful Good Human

Skills
. . . . . W. W. P .P. P .W .W .W .P. W. W. W. W. W. W. W. W. W. W. W
. . . . . 1. 2. 3 .4. 5 .6 .7 .8 .9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
. . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
Spellcr . 4. . . . . . . 1. 1. 2. . .1 .2 .2 .1 .1 .2 .2 .1 .1 .1 .1 .23
UMD . . . 4. 1. . . . . .2 .1 .2 . . 2. 1. 2. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Jump. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2. 2. 2. 2. 3. 1. 1. 1. 14
Heal. . . 2. . .1. 1 .1. . . . . .2. . . . . . . . . . . . . 1. 1. 1. 10
Balance . . .1 .1. 1 .1. . .1 . . 1 .½ .½ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .7
. . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
. . . . .12. 3. 3 .3. 3 .3 .4 .4 .4. 4. 4. 4. 4. 4. 5. 5. 5. 5. 5. 5


Spells

Warlock

1. Jump, Nightshield
2. Blur, Protection from Energy
3. Haste, Dimension Door
4. Evard's Black Tentacles, True Seeing
5. Tenser's Transformation
6. Symbol of Death

Paladin

1. <Any>

if you go Fey, you should at least take 1 full Rank of Perform, unless you can't even use items to increase the Skill in Perform and loose quite some dps
also skill-wise i would rearrange them a bit, since you take 1st lvl Warlock it wastes skill pts if you take 4 pts in Heal in 1st lvl (as a cross-class skill), better put 4 pts in Balance at 1st lvl and get more into Heal with the Paladin lvls ....
also i would probaly take some pts from Jump to get some concentration .... even with quicken you'll want some concentration, if you want to use scrolls in fight since quicken won't help you there

[Son_of_the_South]

if you go Fey, you should at least take 1 full Rank of Perform, unless you can't even use items to increase the Skill in Perform and loose quite some dps
also skill-wise i would rearrange them a bit, since you take 1st lvl Warlock it wastes skill pts if you take 4 pts in Heal in 1st lvl (as a cross-class skill), better put 4 pts in Balance at 1st lvl and get more into Heal with the Paladin lvls ....
also i would probaly take some pts from Jump to get some concentration .... even with quicken you'll want some concentration, if you want to use scrolls in fight since quicken won't help you there

Excellent advice. Thank you.

Why Perform?

[Son_of_the_South]

(Wouldn't allow me to edit above post)

Perform because it adds to sonic damage?

[Barbarbar]

Perform because it adds to sonic damage?

Yes and since you are CHA based you can easily throw you spare Skill Points in Perform and reach a solid 40 something without gimping yourself

Spellcraft Balance Jump Heal Perform UMD Tumble

[Ryiah]

Spellcraft Balance Jump Heal Perform UMD Tumble

Jump is a waste. Between having a decent Strength and the spell itself, you'll hit the hard cap of 40 without any need to put ranks in. Tumble isn't much better. The damage you take isn't meaningful and many of the reasons for tumbling in the past are actually blocking tumbling now.

[Barbarbar]

Jump is a waste.

Don`t be like that i want to be able to take the Detours at MoM or Detour without gear swaps/spells or other effort and honestly i leave the social skills to bard and rogue monkeys that can afford it.

Tumble is awesome!
Who doesn`t want to do flips with his toon?

[tsteigner]

Don`t be like that i want to be able to take the Detours at MoM or Detour without gear swaps/spells or other effort and honestly i leave the social skills to bard and rogue monkeys that can afford it.

Tumble is awesome!
Who doesn`t want to do flips with his toon?

Tumble more then 1 Rank is just a waste of Skillpoints imho
same as with Jump if you have access to the jump spell .... (e.g. 15+5(tome) +10 (item) +2(ship) = +11 to jump via str; 1 jump + 11 (from Str) + 8(from epic lvls) + 30 (jump spell) =50 jump skill with just 1 pt in it, everything more then 1 pt is a waste
Balance i wouldn't go further as 7 Ranks (req. for greater SWF)
Heal not beyond 12 (max you can reach with your 4th Paladin @lvl 9)
max Spellcraft, UMD (might be able to get away without maxing it, since your getting a lot of bon via chr), some concentration (imo 9 ranks is a good value)
1 Rank in Perform (to be able to get advantage from items that incr. the skil, more then 1 rank only if you have the skill-pts to spare)

hvy armor vs med. armor atm probaly hvy is better, since most of the enh. don't check for ASF, but that is on the known issue list, so i wouldn't expect that too last to long