Would you please stop screwing around?

[elg582]

Just this last minute's problem, because there are so many that I can't even keep track:

I just got neg-leveled to death by an air mephit stuck in a wall that I couldn't attack, in the boss fight of a room I couldn't leave.

WT* is wrong with you guys?

I mean, bad enough that every caster in the game has picked Energy Drain as their new go-to spam spell, but you have to give it to f'ing mephits, now?

Combine that with a known but unacknowledged bug, and we have a situation designed to aggravate players.

Oh, sorry, I forgot that we aren't supposed to enjoy the game, just fork over cash for broken content.

If I had spent any money on this game in the last 4 years, I would be especially upset; as it is, now you know WHY I haven't spent any money on this game in 4 years.

[FedoraSire]

Instead of insulting the devs and giving no help to fix the bug, can you say what quest this happened in, as well as why you couldn't attack it? (At range where melees can't hurt, obstacles that cannot bypassed, etc.)

[cdbd3rd]

Again, it's all about presentation.

If you *really* want anything done about your issue - the OP here is one of the better examples of how NOT to present it.


It's okay to be upset about something, but take a deep breath and present enough details for others to recognize and maybe climb on board with. That the devs can take a specific look at.

[Qhualor]

There is only 1 person on the forums that can rant like that and get a dev response. You are not her.

[JOTMON]

Instead of insulting the devs and giving no help to fix the bug, can you say what quest this happened in, as well as why you couldn't attack it? (At range where melees can't hurt, obstacles that cannot bypassed, etc.)

seemed pretty clear to me.. Mephit in wall takes no damage but can dish it out.

Players cant do damage through walls, spells that used to be able to be used get changed to not work, but mobs have not.

Quest doesnt matter..it happens in a lot of quests.

Its a pretty straight forward..

[laurawilder]

Just this last minute's problem, because there are so many that I can't even keep track:

I just got neg-leveled to death by an air mephit stuck in a wall that I couldn't attack, in the boss fight of a room I couldn't leave.

WT* is wrong with you guys?

I mean, bad enough that every caster in the game has picked Energy Drain as their new go-to spam spell, but you have to give it to f'ing mephits, now?

Combine that with a known but unacknowledged bug, and we have a situation designed to aggravate players.

Oh, sorry, I forgot that we aren't supposed to enjoy the game, just fork over cash for broken content.

If I had spent any money on this game in the last 4 years, I would be especially upset; as it is, now you know WHY I haven't spent any money on this game in 4 years.

Pathetic. You spend 4 years playing a game and are proud you have not spent money on its upkeep nor the people employed to do so and then disrespect them in this manner. How ignorant can you possibly be?

[Lemdog]

OP, your tone reminds me of THIS:

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...interact-boken

Don't be that guy

[Enoach]

Just this last minute's problem, because there are so many that I can't even keep track:

I just got neg-leveled to death by an air mephit stuck in a wall that I couldn't attack, in the boss fight of a room I couldn't leave.

WT* is wrong with you guys?

I mean, bad enough that every caster in the game has picked Energy Drain as their new go-to spam spell, but you have to give it to f'ing mephits, now?

Combine that with a known but unacknowledged bug, and we have a situation designed to aggravate players.

Oh, sorry, I forgot that we aren't supposed to enjoy the game, just fork over cash for broken content.

If I had spent any money on this game in the last 4 years, I would be especially upset; as it is, now you know WHY I haven't spent any money on this game in 4 years.

First I want to say I'm sorry you are upset by this. Mobs spawning in walls is a bug that has existed, gotten better but has not gone away.

As a note Enervation and Energy Drain have become caster staple spells due to the game going to DPS over tactics. These spells can be great first hit spells, reducing the amount of DPS needed to win before running out of SP.

It does make sense for Mobs to have access to these spells as well. There are several ways to combat level drain of this type.
1. Be Warforge/Bladeforge - They cannot have their levels drained by this means
2. Deathward Spell - Not to be confused with deathblock. If not able to cast it, use of the Goggles from Tangleroot series or cleric hireling with Deathward is usually want is used
3. Negative Energy Absorption - Such as necklace from Necropolis
4. Spell Absorption - From an Ioan stone to three different cloaks in game

While different situations will rule how effective these are, they are available to help minimize the effects of these spells against us.

Now I don't know what level or quest this occurred in but I do know that sometimes AoE damage against the wall will sometimes help bring stuff down. This could be as simple as a Wand of Fireball or even use of Cloud like spells.

As for not being able to get out you are limited if the doors are closed or you are in a pit. In this case I imagine you would have preferred to exit the quest. Options there are Teleport/Word of Recall/DDoor or simply wait to die and release.

An option you could have used was to put in a ticket and wait for a response. In cases like this I've seen GMs raise groups as well as remove the stuck mob issue.

Sometimes ranting is good to let off some steam. But if you want a resolution to the problem it is better to remain calm and layout what happened/when/where. This will give the Development Team something to work on. As Stuck mobs in this type of situation cause frustration.

[elg582]

As a note Enervation and Energy Drain have become caster staple spells due to the game going to DPS over tactics. These spells can be great first hit spells, reducing the amount of DPS needed to win before running out of SP.

It does make sense for Mobs to have access to these spells as well. There are several ways to combat level drain of this type.
1. Be Warforge/Bladeforge - They cannot have their levels drained by this means
2. Deathward Spell - Not to be confused with deathblock. If not able to cast it, use of the Goggles from Tangleroot series or cleric hireling with Deathward is usually want is used
3. Negative Energy Absorption - Such as necklace from Necropolis
4. Spell Absorption - From an Ioan stone to three different cloaks in game

The problem is that it isn't their "first hit spell," they are spamming it, to the point where my silver flame necklace is discharged from the beginning of the quest, and a single caster can get 3 or 4 negative levels on me before I can kill them.

Even the deathward clicky only lasts 5 minutes, which isn't enough on a lot of quests.

The mephit I am referring to hit me with 14 negative levels in under a minute. This is an example of an unbalanced system, specifically the long-standing issue that, given the difference in relative power and toughness between players and monsters, some spells, like Energy Drain, are MUCH more effective against players than they could ever be against monsters.

I'm not saying that there is a perfect fix, but that the current iteration is antithetical to enjoyment of the game, and that they have been making changes of this sort for years without any consideration of the impact on playability.

And again, this was just today's rant because I was planning on logging off after the quest, anyway, so it was on my mind when I pulled up my browser. There are a dozen other issues that I don't even bother commenting on because nothing ever gets fixed.

Which leads me to wonder why I am here at all.... oh yea, because the folks on the Vault are even bigger a-holes.

Money in my pocket.... waiting for a decent game to spend it on....

[Gljosh]

I too have this issue, I open a door and bam 3~4 levels are gone once I enter. The SF Necklace helps for about the first fight. I really can't stand the kiting casters that spam quickened Energy Drain. However, the only thing that kills me (anymore) is massive Energy Drains or a wicked group beat down. Good thing that BF, WF, Undead, some Paladins, running in Shadow Dancer give Negative Level immunity.

[Drwaz99]

Which leads me to wonder why I am here at all....

I feel ya. You speak out against things here and you'll get streamrolled so fast by certain supporters, you won't know what hit you. Proof is in this thread.

[cdbd3rd]

I feel ya. You speak out against things here and you'll get streamrolled so fast by certain supporters, you won't know what hit you. Proof is in this thread.

This post intrigues me.

There are several supporters for the OP, and a few of us suggesting to rephrase the presentation (with some details and less rant) for a better response from others (including possibly devs).

I have seen no "steamrolling" in this thread.

[elg582]

This post intrigues me.

There are several supporters for the OP, and a few of us suggesting to rephrase the presentation (with some details and less rant) for a better response from others (including possibly devs).

I have seen no "steamrolling" in this thread.

You mean like derailing the thread by talking about irrelevancies?

[Braegan]

What was the quest?

[elg582]

What was the quest?

That specific one was inferno of the damned. Has also happened in vol, gop, rainbow in the dark, and several GH quests, but inferno was the one with the stuck mephit at the boss fight.

[noinfo]

You mean like derailing the thread by talking about irrelevancies?

You made a relevant point with a very annoying bug, however you also brought in other information outside of the direct bug itself that presented your personal stance on the game. You are going to get flack over it.

4 years playing without paying and seems like you are trying to justify yourself. Its a bug and should be addressed and certainly has happened less to me over the years. But in your case you have received the service you paid for.

[Braegan]

That specific one was inferno of the damned. Has also happened in vol, gop, rainbow in the dark, and several GH quests, but inferno was the one with the stuck mephit at the boss fight.

Gotcha.

Sorry that happened to you. Really I am. It is one thing to fail a quest because you were outmatched, were being a bit too brave and racking up DA, etc. and it's quite another to die and/or fail due to lag or a bugged mechanic.

I've not had it happen in Inferno but I have seen a decent amount of mobs (esp mephitis) getting stuck in walls in PoP. One thing I have tried that works pretty well is use of summons. Xorait Trinket if you get Beholder or Mind Flayer they can and will target mobs stuck in walls, pretty sure other summons can do that as well. It can be a slow wait sometime but it has helped me advance quests when I was stuck in the past. I know that wouldn't have helped in your specific scenario since you got neg leveled so quickly. But thought I would offer it up as bit of help.

[Enoach]

The problem is that it isn't their "first hit spell," they are spamming it, to the point where my silver flame necklace is discharged from the beginning of the quest, and a single caster can get 3 or 4 negative levels on me before I can kill them.

Even the deathward clicky only lasts 5 minutes, which isn't enough on a lot of quests.

The mephit I am referring to hit me with 14 negative levels in under a minute. This is an example of an unbalanced system, specifically the long-standing issue that, given the difference in relative power and toughness between players and monsters, some spells, like Energy Drain, are MUCH more effective against players than they could ever be against monsters.

I'm not saying that there is a perfect fix, but that the current iteration is antithetical to enjoyment of the game, and that they have been making changes of this sort for years without any consideration of the impact on playability.

And again, this was just today's rant because I was planning on logging off after the quest, anyway, so it was on my mind when I pulled up my browser. There are a dozen other issues that I don't even bother commenting on because nothing ever gets fixed.

Which leads me to wonder why I am here at all.... oh yea, because the folks on the Vault are even bigger a-holes.

Money in my pocket.... waiting for a decent game to spend it on....

Again I understand the frustration of dealing with a BUG. People do figure out how to work around situations like this such as have redundant gear (Multiple Deathward clickies, spell absorption etc.) This is not to excuse the bugs, but packing a bit extra can help prevent BUGs from robbing your enjoyment.

That specific one was inferno of the damned. Has also happened in vol, gop, rainbow in the dark, and several GH quests, but inferno was the one with the stuck mephit at the boss fight.

If this was Epic then 14 negative levels seems in line with a valid attack against us players. If say it was Heroic I would agree that is far to many for such a short time frame.

You do have options in Inferno to get out of line of sight of stuff stuck in the walls, The end fight has 4 hallways - 3 are Deep and one is shallow. One even has an alter you can beat on to escape the end fight and recover if necessary.

Again I'm not excusing the BUG, I'm just saying you had options you could explore which could have saved your enjoyment despite the BUG.

Believe me, I hate BUGs too. I even take time to report them, even if it is a long time until they get fixed. And we have had stuff fixed some fast and some a few years waiting.

[Daine]

WT* is wrong with you guys?

If I had spent any money on this game in the last 4 years

You answered your own question...