question on str

[Ametrine]

Hi,

On my 10th life I decided to try out human monk. I kept it simple and went str based and at level 28 my stats in fire stance/divine crusader epic destiny are
str: 40 (using a +2 str tome and all ability points going into str)
dex: 34 (using a +3 dex tome)
con: 36 (using a +4 con tome)
int: 15 (using a +4 int tome)
wis: 38 (using a +4 wis tome)
cha: 16 (using a +4 cha tome)

Its a fun build to play and it holds its own in EE content but I decided I'm going to do several rounds of epic reincarnation on this toon and would like to try wis based next.

My question is if I go wis based how high should I take str? On the str based monk I took power attack but my thoughts are on a wis based monk is to leave str at base and take precision.

-thanks

[Saekee]

power attack is a pre-req for cleave & great cleave--can you post more about your build? Is it pure? A great option for monks is whirlwind attack.
Wisdom-based monks have great defenses and tactical DCs for finishing moves, stunning fist etc. However, your damage is still based on strength. If you are punching something that can't be stunned, you may find yourself frustrated.
You ought to consider earth stance and iron skin for prr and improved combat expertise in LD gives another 20 PRR

[Ametrine]

I decided just to try it for fun and if it stank hit the heroic tr immediately.

Actually it works pretty good.
at creation
8 str
17 dex
14 con
9 int
18 wis
8 cha

then put all ability points in wis (feats were two weapon line + improved crit bludgeon + precision + vorpal strikes + 4x toughness)
enhancement went mostly ninja spy with some shintao thrown in

epic destiny: Grandmaster of Flowers + rejuvenation cocoon + Grim Precision + Legendary Tactics

ran toon through EE chronoscope and at level 21 (Eveningstar villager gear + golden guile + grave wrappings) I kicked ass, stunned hit 99% of the time (dc on stun is 61 in water stance)

[Saekee]

Sounds good but how have you faired against things you cannot stun? With low STR you might have poor base damage. Maybe switch to weapons?

[inspiredunease]

I decided just to try it for fun and if it stank hit the heroic tr immediately.

Actually it works pretty good.
at creation
8 str
17 dex
14 con
9 int
18 wis
8 cha

then put all ability points in wis (feats were two weapon line + improved crit bludgeon + precision + vorpal strikes + 4x toughness)
enhancement went mostly ninja spy with some shintao thrown in

epic destiny: Grandmaster of Flowers + rejuvenation cocoon + Grim Precision + Legendary Tactics

ran toon through EE chronoscope and at level 21 (Eveningstar villager gear + golden guile + grave wrappings) I kicked ass, stunned hit 99% of the time (dc on stun is 61 in water stance)

Four toughness feats!?!?! Bit overkill maybe? Personally I'd have picked up the dodge -> whirlwind line instead.

[Saekee]

Four toughness feats!?!?! Bit overkill maybe? Personally I'd have picked up the dodge -> whirlwind line instead.

great point--I didn't catch that! I agree, if it is possible; he or she would need to take combat expertise, which means no precision (I assume, since there would not be enough feats?), and also start with a higher INT.

[Ametrine]

4x toughness mostly because I did not see anything else I thought was worth putting it in (any suggestions for next epic reincarnation?)


str with current lvl 21 gear floats around 22 depending on the stance, with golden guile bluff and sneak attack (ninja spy) running most of the time I feel the dps is better but the build does feel weaker against undead than previous shintao str build but I don't have any disruption handwraps at this lvl

only thing I would possibly change in the next epic reincarnation is have dex at 14 and put the left over points in str (I'll have to see at lvl 28 how I fair at EE TOEE and EE Haunted Halls in mountain stance with more endgame gear)

at lvl 28 I'll try and do some quantitative numbers to compare against shintao str build I had previously been before the latest epic reincarnating