Confusion & Mass confusion

[Vanhooger]

What is the DC of those SLA? How it's calculated? It does use Enchantment bonus as well?

Or it is 10+warlock leve + cha?

[Vargouille]

These are Spell Like Abilities.

Confusion is considered level 3 Warlock Enchantment spell.
Mass Confusion is considered a level 6 Warlock Enchantment spell.

[Vanhooger]

These are Spell Like Abilities.

Confusion is considered level 3 Warlock Enchantment spell.
Mass Confusion is considered a level 6 Warlock Enchantment spell.

Ok, but how do you actually calculate the DC? Thanks

[Hobgoblin]

Ok, but how do you actually calculate the DC? Thanks

10 + spell level + cha mod?


i think

from wiki:

10 + Spell Level + cha mod + Items + Feats = DC

[Vanhooger]

10 + spell level + cha mod?


i think

Dunno the tooltip doesn't say anything

Enchantment feat & TF bonus does apply?

[Hobgoblin]

Dunno the tooltip doesn't say anything

Enchantment feat & TF bonus does apply?

they should

[Vanhooger]

they should

Problem is we don't know for sure

[dunklezhan]

10 + spell level + cha mod?


i think

from wiki:

10 + Spell Level + cha mod + Items + Feats = DC

Yes. They are spell like abilities, which in almost all respects work just like spells except where you drag them to your hotbar from. The differences are basically in metamagics because, even though they are free for SLAs, the choices as to which ones metamagics will and won't work with is sometimes surprising. So now you know what spell levels they are, what the OP probably should be asking is 'can I heighten them?' E.g. Archmage's force SLA cannot be heightened. This is... atrociously unfun.

[Hobgoblin]

Problem is we don't know for sure

well, i am a warlock noob, but i did do a lot of testing in pvp pit as a sorc with the slas and it followed that formula with tf feats etc

[Vanhooger]

Yes. They are spell like abilities, which in almost all respects work just like spells except where you drag them to your hotbar from. The differences are basically in metamagics because often the choices as to which ones metamagics will and won't work with is surprising. So now you know what spell levels they are, what the OP probably should be asking is 'can I heighten them?'

Problem is that it's not clear, as well for most new ability, they're missing the DC & how it's calculated.

As for heighten, that will matter only for confusion, mass confusion Varg said it's counted as a lvl 6 warlock spell, so it doesn't need it.

[Angelic-council]

Warlock (spell lvl) enchantment means, it would be DC 10 + (spell level) + feats + item = total DC.

You get 2 DCs from the capstone, 1 DC from planar focus which would result in mass confusion being lv9 enchantment spell, you can increase this DC further more by taking tier 5 spell focus (2DC). If you follow enchantment line and maximize it via feats, EDs, it's possible to achieve DC 70 + mass confusion, which is nearly no fail.

[Vanhooger]

Warlock (spell lvl) enchantment means, it would be DC 10 + (spell level) + feats + item = total DC.

You get 2 DCs from the capstone, 1 DC from planar focus which would result in mass confusion being lv9 enchantment spell, you can increase this DC further more by taking tier 5 spell focus (2DC). If you follow enchantment line and maximize it via feats, EDs, it's possible to achieve DC 70 + mass confusion, which is nearly no fail.

you missing +cha.

1 DC from planar focus? Where do I find it? (nevermind got it it's the t5 as well)

2 DCs from capstone you mean from the +4 cha?

Why will result as lvl 9 enchantment spell if warlock have maximum of 6 spell lvl?

Also how you get 70 DC?

10 base
6 lvl
31 cha (72)
1 enchantment focus feat
1 greater enchantment focus feat
1 epic enchantment focus feat
3 Exalted angel core
6 Thunder forged
2 Augment
1 ship buff
1 shadowscale
2 Spell focus enchantment (t5 scholar)
1 Planar focus (t5 scholar)
3 Magister t3 twist
1 wiz pl feat
1 bard pl feat

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71 DC and looks quite expensive in terms of feat (4)

Miss any?

[Theolin]

These are Spell Like Abilities.

Confusion is considered level 3 Warlock Enchantment spell.
Mass Confusion is considered a level 6 Warlock Enchantment spell.

Does Heighten work on confusion?

[Seikojin]

Does Heighten work on confusion?

If you can't right click toggle, I would imagine no.

[Angelic-council]

you missing +cha.

1 DC from planar focus? Where do I find it? (nevermind got it it's the t5 as well)

2 DCs from capstone you mean from the +4 cha?

Why will result as lvl 9 enchantment spell if warlock have maximum of 6 spell lvl?

Also how you get 70 DC?

10 base
6 lvl
31 cha (72)
1 enchantment focus feat
1 greater enchantment focus feat
1 epic enchantment focus feat
3 Exalted angel core
6 Thunder forged
2 Augment
1 ship buff
1 shadowscale
2 Spell focus enchantment (t5 scholar)
1 Planar focus (t5 scholar)
3 Magister t3 twist
1 wiz pl feat
1 bard pl feat

------------------------------
71 DC and looks quite expensive in terms of feat (4)

Miss any?

It would result in level 9 enchantment because by the time you get 3 DCs from tier 5, it's no longer lv6, but lv9. I just added 6 + 3 = 9. It's just the way I think, not exactly lv9, but thecnically it is.. sorry for the confusion (lol).

Yes, again. 2 DCs are from capstone = 4 char. It's just the way of my thinking

Also, you missing 2 more things. Well, 3.. but that last option would require a skill. I would love to tell you those, but I need to keep it as a secret. I'm sure you will find them soon.

[Angelic-council]

Does Heighten work on confusion?

Heighten will work on a confusion. But heighten spell is very situation feat to a warlock. Since spell cap is 6, it won't go any higher than 6. Confusion is lv3 spell, once heightened, it would increase the DC by 3, but finger of death or circle of death would be + 1 DC only.

[Vanhooger]

It would result in level 9 enchantment because by the time you get 3 DCs from tier 5, it's no longer lv6, but lv9. I just added 6 + 3 = 9. It's just the way I think, not exactly lv9, but thecnically it is.. sorry for the confusion (lol).

Yes, again. 2 DCs are from capstone = 4 char. It's just the way of my thinking

Also, you missing 2 more things. Well, 3.. but that last option would require a skill. I would love to tell you those, but I need to keep it as a secret. I'm sure you will find them soon.

Anyway my point was another....that is super expensive on feat I don't think most people will ever be near to a no fail confusion. Maybe some vet if they really like confusion.


Spending AP on DC do not make a spell lvl 9, it still al lvl 6 but with a lvl 9 DC
Lol a secret ahahaha

[HastyPudding]

Heighten will work on a confusion. But heighten spell is very situation feat to a warlock. Since spell cap is 6, it won't go any higher than 6. Confusion is lv3 spell, once heightened, it would increase the DC by 3, but finger of death or circle of death would be + 1 DC only.

On any sort of DC caster, +1 DC can mean the difference between a mass hold or an instakill and a bunch of wasted spell points. Logic dictates that anything that gives a bonus to the DC you want to increase is the best way to go.

On a side note, the tier 5 tainted scholar +2 dc ability sort of irritates me. For 3 AP, bard spellsingers get +2 concentration/perform skills, +2 spell penetration, +2 enchantment DC's, and temporary spell points in an aoe around them when they sing songs. Tainted scholar uses the same 3 AP and only gets +2 to the dc of their choice, which doesn't include necromancy (the only real choices being evocation or enchantment if you're going tier 5 scholar, anyway).

[Snnniei]

It would result in level 9 enchantment because by the time you get 3 DCs from tier 5, it's no longer lv6, but lv9. I just added 6 + 3 = 9. It's just the way I think, not exactly lv9, but thecnically it is.. sorry for the confusion (lol).

Yes, again. 2 DCs are from capstone = 4 char. It's just the way of my thinking

Also, you missing 2 more things. Well, 3.. but that last option would require a skill. I would love to tell you those, but I need to keep it as a secret. I'm sure you will find them soon.

Hypnotism, crushing despair and some other no-save debuffs... Secret much ^^

[Vanhooger]

Hypnotism, crushing despair and some other no-save debuffs... Secret much ^^

Well I was counting max dc possible with the formula, so no debuff.