Short TOEE EE Feedback

[Zerkul]

Warlock it's playable on Endgame. I TRed into this new class my Main with 87 PLs and soloed EE TOEE with it. I played a Warlock 20 with Tainted Scholar Core6/Tier5 enlighten spirit: my aim was to build around ranged damage and a little of CC. Shiradi was main Destiny cause for the nature of the blast it was the optimal choice to further improve damage even If blast has only one projectile.

AOE wise i was very good. Using soundburst from EA and nuking down Hellball+Eldritch Ball and EldritchBlast made most of my trash encounters. Sporadic nukes are OK they quickly get rid of trash mobs.

Warlock it's WEAK single target wise. My biggest concern is that he does 84 animations of blast per minute in auto attack, this means that to substitute Blasting with a normal spells results in DPS increase only If this spell does more than 1.5 times the damage of the normal blast. This situation roughly happens only with Ruin I think. Each time I tried to burst and ball between blasts on TOEE bosses my DPS went down.

Overall I think Warlock performs more than a Sorcerer and more or less like Wiz Shiradi casters. It's not extraordinary like Paladins/Barbarians/Rogues/Bards but I think this gap is due to the nature of the Warlock weapon which is after all a SPELL.

[Blackheartox]

What i did is fuel up empyrian and rely purely on ruin/hellball for single target fights, but i also was playing in exalted so i had sun bolt/avenging and ion cannon.
Single target dps if you can control crit chance isnt that bad.
Feels to me way higher then sorcs, tho imollation is good, but the crit damage i think beats it.
What i didnt like are dots from souleater, they should be affected by metas imo, since they are extremely weak, outside of the nice buffs they give /more int for more spellpower and 20% mov speed/ the damage is neglible even 3x stacked on hunger

[Eth]

Single target dps if you can control crit chance isnt that bad.
Feels to me way higher then sorcs, tho imollation is good, but the crit damage i think beats it.

Please teach me?
I usually use elite ToD to check boss DPS.

Warlock took longer to clear part 1, than my sorc took to complete the whole raid.
Relying on hellball and ruin for DPS on a class with roughly 2200 SP doesn't seem viable to me (for reference, on the sorc I can do ToD without any pots, so for comparision I'd do the same on the warlock), not even want to start on how slow it is to get out of the blast animation to cast anything and then go back to it.
The only thing I found useful from the dots was that you could build up 20% vulnerability faster than any other class (but requires Tier 4 souleater).

I think warlock makes a good general caster. Does well against trash with high necro and enchant.
But single target nuking? I don't see how?

Not saying you are wrong, maybe my build was just ****. Really just curious how you build a warlock that has boss nuking potential.

[Vanhooger]

I did a 20 warlock t5 scholar/ Enlightened t4 with 18 core for knockdown on EA max evo dc.

It worked really well clearing trash mob. Had a dc of 68 on soundburst ( and still missing 6 cha point) also if you count in all debuff +4 from Taint the blood & +2 fromAura of menace + 3 of missing cha, will have a dc of 77.

High DC in energy burst & divine wrath too.

So basically uber combo soundburst + energy burst + divine wrath + Eldritch blast + Eldritch blall + hellball should remove any trash in game

Also using Evil damage for Eldritch Blast so I can use light damage to increase it.

Also EA solve all healing issue if there was any, with cocoon, serious wound sla and divine wrath.

My biggest problem was...red named as always...10 min jumping around like a tard

[Violith]

I did a 20 warlock t5 scholar/ Enlightened t4 with 18 core for knockdown on EA max evo dc.

It worked really well clearing trash mob. Had a dc of 68 on soundburst ( and still missing 6 cha point) also if you count in all debuff +4 from Taint the blood & +2 fromAura of menace + 3 of missing cha, will have a dc of 77.

High DC in energy burst & divine wrath too.

So basically uber combo soundburst + energy burst + divine wrath + Eldritch blast + Eldritch blall + hellball should remove any trash in game

Also using Evil damage for Eldritch Blast so I can use light damage to increase it.

Also EA solve all healing issue if there was any, with cocoon, serious wound sla and divine wrath.

My biggest problem was...red named as always...10 min jumping around like a tard

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problem with your accessment is about 80% of your damage has nothing to do with warlock, especially when the combination given wouldnt last that long without some form of SP regen. so its not a very good determination of 'warlock dps', try a heroic quest where you can only use warlock abilities and that'd be the true test of their capabilities.

Also, there was a thread earlier (mainly about morninglord enhancements) That the light spellpower wasnt increasing the evil damage, (probably due to light and alignment spellpower actually being seperate (which is possibly why the potions as well as the fvs aura both call to each seperately) has this been fixed?

[Vanhooger]

problem with your accessment is about 80% of your damage has nothing to do with warlock, especially when the combination given wouldnt last that long without some form of SP regen. so its not a very good determination of 'warlock dps', try a heroic quest where you can only use warlock abilities and that'd be the true test of their capabilities.

Also, there was a thread earlier (mainly about morninglord enhancements) That the light spellpower wasnt increasing the evil damage, (probably due to light and alignment spellpower actually being seperate (which is possibly why the potions as well as the fvs aura both call to each seperately) has this been fixed?

You probably right about Heroic content, but to be honest I don't really care about it cos I will play warlock at cap, I know it's just me, so my feedback won't help heroic level

Most of the time to clear a room the combination of soundburst + energy burst is enough and that's 26sp, I think it's very efficient sp wise.

Divine wrath is yes expensive but if you use it right you deal damage and heal the whole party at the same time so it ok.

The two ability that deal Aoe damage from enhancment do not require sp, so I think it's pretty efficient even with only 2.2k sp (at what I had yesterday when tested it)

Obviously if you start use energy burts & divine wrath especially every time to is off timer to kill a single mob that wont last long. I usually aggro a bunch of mob and use the combo. If some still alive use your eldritch blast and the job is done.

As for evil damage using light spell power I don't know if it working right atm, I never do math so I hope it is broken so once they fix it I will do moar damage

[Blackheartox]

Please teach me?
I usually use elite ToD to check boss DPS.

Warlock took longer to clear part 1, than my sorc took to complete the whole raid.
Relying on hellball and ruin for DPS on a class with roughly 2200 SP doesn't seem viable to me (for reference, on the sorc I can do ToD without any pots, so for comparision I'd do the same on the warlock), not even want to start on how slow it is to get out of the blast animation to cast anything and then go back to it.
The only thing I found useful from the dots was that you could build up 20% vulnerability faster than any other class (but requires Tier 4 souleater).

I think warlock makes a good general caster. Does well against trash with high necro and enchant.
But single target nuking? I don't see how?

Not saying you are wrong, maybe my build was just ****. Really just curious how you build a warlock that has boss nuking potential.

Did you try playing in shiradi?
While exalted offers excelent dcs, shiradi is the best call for nuking.
Try a 12 lock 6 wiz 2 soul for example, with all the temp sp, and force crit and spam you really have great single target dps

[Eth]

Did you try playing in shiradi?
While exalted offers excelent dcs, shiradi is the best call for nuking.
Try a 12 lock 6 wiz 2 soul for example, with all the temp sp, and force crit and spam you really have great single target dps

No, EA. If I wanted to play a shiradi I wouldn't have gone pure warlock. But not interested in a shiradi build.

So basically warlock is like wizard? You either have superb DCs and lowish DPS. Or you have OK DPS and moderate DCs.

[Blackheartox]

No, EA. If I wanted to play a shiradi I wouldn't have gone pure warlock. But not interested in a shiradi build.

So basically warlock is like wizard? You either have superb DCs and lowish DPS. Or you have OK DPS and moderate DCs.

Pretty much, depends how evans is implemented.
I alrdy wrote several times that they should allow hunger to be affected by metas, outside of the mov speed and vulner, it is only dot warlock has and it weak after testing dps wise.
Good thing is if you get crits tho, ruin has capability to do 10-13 k crits on non helpless, ion cannon from exalted did some 3-5 k crits, but controlling crit to be effective is rather hard imo.

By going shiradi splash, you get that needed crit chance, vulner, and 30% crit damage, overall better then all shiradi builds nowadays imo, and has some dps.

[Vanhooger]

Pretty much, depends how evans is implemented.
I alrdy wrote several times that they should allow hunger to be affected by metas, outside of the mov speed and vulner, it is only dot warlock has and it weak after testing dps wise.
Good thing is if you get crits tho, ruin has capability to do 10-13 k crits on non helpless, ion cannon from exalted did some 3-5 k crits, but controlling crit to be effective is rather hard imo.

By going shiradi splash, you get that needed crit chance, vulner, and 30% crit damage, overall better then all shiradi builds nowadays imo, and has some dps.

So again the only winner are shiradi as always?

[Blackheartox]

So again the only winner are shiradi as always?

Yeap, pretty much.
I mean its still considerably better then wizz, you get better dcs and more dps, around the same as sorc if you are lucky with crits when you go dc focused, but if you go shiradi warlock will be pretty much mandatory.
In case they implemented the caster level thing 12 6 2 would be godmode.
But with current implementation id say 15 3 2 as some suggested, due to having wings and enough caster levels to cap mm.
Eldritch blast wasnt to impressive to me, even after they tweaked the casting animation it intereacts kinda weird with spells, sometimes the full animation is reset if you throw a ruin in between and sometimes it isnt affected at all, totally didnt get how exactly casting/blasting will work together.
Also we dont have acess to all dice increase feats for eldritch blasts, so cant really make a fully secure observation and tests.
Imo we will get 2 sorts of warlocks, primarly shiradi, with either some splashing or pure, or melle something warlocks since enlighten provides a bit to much defenses imo currently.

And in rare cases youl see players who want to make a dc warlock work out.
But my assumption will be melle locks and something like 15 3 2 locks, maybe even druid splashes for the slow in case it interacts with blast as well as i didnt try it in case you get enough ap to pick up souleater t5, 30% crit damage from spirit and sla from wiz or a sorc splash.
No idea what the best efficiency wise dps lock is, since we dont have most of its stuff working or interacting or inst implemented yet.

But wel test on live, my dibs is on melle/shiradi being dominators.

[voodoogroves]

Warlock it's playable on Endgame. I TRed into this new class my Main with 87 PLs and soloed EE TOEE with it.

I remember a long time ago someone posted a build that really was mostly some self healing and a metric ton of guard items - not really a build as much as a gear set.

In the above, I'm not sure what 87 PLs says about Warlock as it is being playable end game.

;-)

[Zerkul]

I remember a long time ago someone posted a build that really was mostly some self healing and a metric ton of guard items - not really a build as much as a gear set.

In the above, I'm not sure what 87 PLs says about Warlock as it is being playable end game.

;-)

Well I said playable not viable ahahah .

[voodoogroves]

Well I said playable not viable ahahah .

Hehehe with 87 past lives I bet you could make an EK pure sorc playable at end game ;-)

[slarden]

By going shiradi splash, you get that needed crit chance, vulner, and 30% crit damage, overall better then all shiradi builds nowadays imo, and has some dps.

Does the math work the same way as arcane supremacy with the 30% crit damage? I get some mega crits that aren't explainable by math with arcane supremacy.

[Blackheartox]

Does the math work the same way as arcane supremacy with the 30% crit damage? I get some mega crits that aren't explainable by math with arcane supremacy.

From checking ruin crits on the shiradi splashes i did, my answer would be yes on your question

I got no idea how it stacks with arcane supremacy but i saw some pretty dumb numbers with 6 wiz splashes.
Ap are so freakin tight on that build tho

[Eth]

Hehehe with 87 past lives I bet you could make an EK pure sorc playable at end game ;-)

No amount of past lives could achieve that. EK is a trap.