**** TR Cache

[diasho2]

As I take a break from once again clearing out this mess of accumulated **** that for some reason I can't seem to part with from life to life I once again find myself thinking. Can't we find a better way to do this?

I know there have been many threads with many ideas over the years, trophy cases, more space, sort feat, etc. Stuff those of us collectors/tr junkies would love to have but it comes up low on priority. What about a method of removing stuff from the tr cache that is already in use in other places so no new code would need to be used. A loot all button like is found on chests.

This would dump everything from the cache into the players inv until his or her bags are full at which point just like a chest it would stop and give the no space message. The player could then hit the bar/ah/shared bank etc to decide what he or she can sell send to a mule or hold for the next life. Once space is cleared the player could hit loot all again and dump more from the cache into his or her bags.

This would save a massive amount of time and frustration dealing with the current bank. Because of the safety measures put on the bank to prevent other problems getting items out of a full tr cache takes much longer than it needs to.

Please consider this solution. It would reduce interaction with the bank, reduce frustration for those who tr/itr, and let your paying customers get back to enjoying the game without spending so much time doing what so many of us dread.

Face it not many players get excited over spending 1-2 hours emptying their tr cache. There are those who refuse to tr/itr because it is such a pain to do, but I don't know anyone that looks forward to the process.

[PermaBanned]

Lol yeah, /signed to streamlining the process.

My current (last ~year & half or so) solution came in two parts:
1st: I realized if I moved all the unbound/BTA items off my character, I have exactly enough Bank & Inventory room for all my BtC TR Cache items (I have no non-BtC items in there).
2nd: I learned that for $5 my son will do all the obnoxious clicking for me

Btw Turbine: I don't know exactly how many TRs I've done in that ~year & a half, but but it's been at least 18 Iconic Reincarnations, and an additional 30ish Heroic ones minimum; so ~48 I/HTRs x $5 each is at least $240 my son has profited from my playing your game instead of you. Just some food for thought...

[The_Human_Cypher]

As I take a break from once again clearing out this mess of accumulated **** that for some reason I can't seem to part with from life to life I once again find myself thinking. Can't we find a better way to do this?

Face it not many players get excited over spending 1-2 hours emptying their tr cache. There are those who refuse to tr/itr because it is such a pain to do, but I don't know anyone that looks forward to the process.

I have this same thought every new life.

[Red_Knight]

Face it not many players get excited over spending 1-2 hours emptying their tr cache. There are those who refuse to tr/itr because it is such a pain to do, but I don't know anyone that looks forward to the process.

Why on earth would it take an hour or two?!

And why don't you decide what you'll keep and what you'll sell before reincarnating?

[Chi_Ryu]

Why on earth would it take an hour or two?!

And why don't you decide what you'll keep and what you'll sell before reincarnating?

There is massive latency when removing items from a full TR cache - more than 10 seconds per item. It gets faster as the cache empties, but even so shifting a potential of 256 items takes around 40mins alone.

[Sebastrd]

Emptying the ol' TR cache is always a great chance for me to get in some quality time playing Solitaire on my tablet.

[FrancisP.Fancypants]

Why on earth would it take an hour or two?!

And why don't you decide what you'll keep and what you'll sell before reincarnating?

My main's on life 23 now. The process takes an hour minimum when I TR her, and that's without sorting or trashing anything.

Normally it's about two hours between getting my heart and getting rid of the consumables and trash I just threw in bank while I leveled, pulling everything out of the cache, sending whatever I can to mules, making sure I don't accidentally lose anything, screenshotting tomes, and actually reincarnating. A very large chunk of that time is physically emptying the cache.

Once that's done, tack on another half-hour to an hour if I bother pulling twink gear off mules or crafting lowbie stuff. And about every 4th life, I'll take another hour or two to junk stuff I haven't used in a few lives and clean out the mules.

In contrast, my strictly-caster toon takes 20 minutes even with a half-dozen lives; same basic gear pool.

[Powskier]

There is massive latency when removing items from a full TR cache - more than 10 seconds per item. It gets faster as the cache empties, but even so shifting a potential of 256 items takes around 40mins alone.

..well more than 10 seconds sounds overstretched...
I have some of the slowest loading screens in any party and my tr catch latency is 2-3 seconds just a tad more than the regular bank.
If you click before the catch is ready ,that will double the time to wait ,with each early click-Patience

[Powskier]

Sort what??? pull the stuff you need and forget the catch till you need more stuff- takes like 10 min to scan a full catch.

[Qhualor]

I do agree there needs to be improvements with the banking/TR cache system, but 1-2 hours to empty it out? Just a couple hours ago I did an IR and it took me 1/2 hour total to empty it, sell what I didn't need and pass stuff to bank toons or alts. I have a hard time parting with stuff too, but if I haven't used them in 1+ years and seriously doubt I ever will, I get rid of them somehow. I still can buy at least 1-2 more bag and character bank tabs plus I could buy more shared bank space.

[UurlockYgmeov]

Lol yeah, /signed to streamlining the process.

I do agree there needs to be improvements with the banking/TR cache system, but 1-2 hours to empty it out? Just a couple hours ago I did an IR and it took me 1/2 hour total to empty it, sell what I didn't need and pass stuff to bank toons or alts. I have a hard time parting with stuff too, but if I haven't used them in 1+ years and seriously doubt I ever will, I get rid of them somehow. I still can buy at least 1-2 more bag and character bank tabs plus I could buy more shared bank space.

there was a suggestion to just revamp the TR cache interface (not the actual cache - but the UI) to include pagination (and a search). think that deserves some more conversation.

This issue has been discussed since the introduction of the TR cache. Wasn't so exacerbated until lives because so short, and the amount of character space became much bigger. (just facts).

I support this because just redoing the interface rather than the entire system means much less coding, and dramatically less chance of bugs / errors creeping in. Since it is just an UI refresh, then it should be relatively easy and something we could possibly see by the end of the year.

One can hope.

[Chi_Ryu]

..well more than 10 seconds sounds overstretched...

I don't know about your experience, but for me it quite literally takes just over 10 seconds from clicking the first item to the item moving into my inventory when the cache is full. Clicking the next item once makes no difference to the time taken (unless it triggers an error), so I buffer up the next one and do all this whilst watching a movie.

When the cache is almost empty, it drops down to normal bank speeds (so between a quarter and half a second), and it seems reasonably linear to how full the cache is.

This matches the actual time it takes me (almost 40 minutes).

[Dandonk]

I don't know about your experience, but for me it quite literally takes just over 10 seconds from clicking the first item to the item moving into my inventory when the cache is full. Clicking the next item once makes no difference to the time taken (unless it triggers an error), so I buffer up the next one and do all this whilst watching a movie.

When the cache is almost empty, it drops down to normal bank speeds (so between a quarter and half a second), and it seems reasonably linear to how full the cache is.

This matches the actual time it takes me (almost 40 minutes).

This is my experience as well. A completely full TR cache (bought all store bank/inventory upgrades on my main) takes a very long time for the first 50-70% of the cache, gradually speeding up as it empties.

And about 40 minutes to empty the cache is what it takes me, too.

It's awful. It's annoying.

[Silverleafeon]

2nd: I learned that for $5 my son will do all the obnoxious clicking for me

+1 LOL indeed.

Btw Turbine: I don't know exactly how many TRs I've done in that ~year & a half, but but it's been at least 18 Iconic Reincarnations, and an additional 30ish Heroic ones minimum; so ~48 I/HTRs x $5 each is at least $240 my son has profited from my playing your game instead of you. Just some food for thought...

Nods solemnly...

[diasho2]

Sort what??? pull the stuff you need and forget the catch till you need more stuff- takes like 10 min to scan a full catch.

This is true during a life and when doing etr's. When doing a tr/itr the cache needs to be fully emptied which means if you have collected massive numbers of btc named items that you hold because you ground your #$@ off to get it and can't make yourself get rid of it even if random drops are now better or you just know you will be X build again and don't want to grind out another ____ so you keep it. Most of my cache is named btc items I have picked up over the years. The problem is not during a life, although this is annoying too. Trying to find that one thing in the cache takes way too long as well.

Why on earth would it take an hour or two?!

And why don't you decide what you'll keep and what you'll sell before reincarnating?

From the stuff in my bags for the most part I do. Most of my gear for any toon I have ready to go 1-28 before the life starts baring any exceptional pulls in a raid. This means I get a few items out of my cache at the start of my life into my bags, put a few in my bank, and the rest sits in my cache until I tr again unless at some point I realize I forgot something and have to go dig through that mess to find it. The empty process takes a massive amount of time since you need to wait for the bank to catch up with what you are doing. This is why the loot all would be nice. It would dump everything into your inv until your bags are full bypassing the need to remove each item individually.

This is my experience as well. A completely full TR cache (bought all store bank/inventory upgrades on my main) takes a very long time for the first 50-70% of the cache, gradually speeding up as it empties.

It's awful. It's annoying.

This says it all

[der_kluge]

I keep my TR cache until I hit 20, and then I have to sit down to the painful reality of clearing it out. I do swap stuff in and out as I go, to at least lessen the pain. Like someone who said above, I need all 5 bank slots, and 8 inventory slots to actually hold all the accumulated BtC gear that I have, although that will inevitably include some BtA or otherwise gear that I might be too lazy to transfer. So, I'm not *quite* there, but I'm very close. This trend of reworking gear that was previously auctionable to BtCoE has become worrisome. Now stuff that I use on a single life, I'm stuck with forever. Do not like!

That said, I don't hate the TR cache, but a search feature on it would be AWESOME.

Forcing me to deal with it upon TR'ing would not be practical, as I would not have the inventory + bank slots in order to deal with it all.

So, you know, more bank slots would be quite lovely.