So you want to survive in EE as a sorc? Heavy armor is your answer.

[Red_Knight]

Not if you skip out on 20 sorc and take 1 fighter or 2 paladin. Id say the +20some to all saves or the heavy armor prof is better then sorc cap. Especially when you are BF/WF because the the capstone active makes you immune to repair.

If you go WF/BF you can invest 7 points in EK and 4 in WF/BF tree to completely drop ASF.

Also, I dont take maximize or empower. They feel like a trap and the sp usage is too high. It affects SLAs yes, but it isnt worth 2 feats to get a fireball i can cast every 8sec?.

I usually don't turn on maximize or empower for most spells. That said, the SLA hugely benefit from metamagic. And I have my fireball spell set to "always empower" because I find that to be the most cost effective method of casting the spell most times. I only turn on both feats for all spells when I get to a boss I want dead, and want it dead yesterday.

[Ghwyn]

My sorc's last life was BF with one level of paladin. Used one feat for adamantine and the damage reduction was worth it along with points spent in EK tree.

[knockcocker]

Not if you skip out on 20 sorc and take 1 fighter or 2 paladin. Id say the +20some to all saves or the heavy armor prof is better then sorc cap. Especially when you are BF/WF because the the capstone active makes you immune to repair.

If you go WF/BF you can invest 7 points in EK and 4 in WF/BF tree to completely drop ASF.

Also, I dont take maximize or empower. They feel like a trap and the sp usage is too high. It affects SLAs yes, but it isnt worth 2 feats to get a fireball i can cast every 8sec?.

Eth already (and needlessly IMO - it should be obvious) pointed out the permutations of this. The title
of the thread only mentions sorc and EE - it doesn't say BF/WF or 18/2 or any combination thereof.

As for your comments on max/emp, I'm not sure whether you're trolling or not.

More generally, if you're proficient and care about the BAB addition to PRR - DP clickies would, I think,
take care of that.

[Blackheartox]

Why do people think harmor is the solution for everything sigh.
In my last sorc life i went 18 bf 1 fsoul 1 monk and utilized docents and being centerd while keeping all feats i need and could ever want for dcs/nuking.

IF you want to play a harmor or addie body sorc, you will spend to many points, to many useless points in eldritch, you will waste some of mandatory feats and your dcs wont be high enough for epic elite contet.
So what you do then is splash 2-4 levels of fsoul or wizzard and just do a dumbed down shiradi.
Imo that is the natural progresion of addie body /palie levels or harmor feat unless you do what eth said.

So question toward opener, is he talking about shiradi sorcs or dc sorcs?
Since those 2 are appereantly 2 different existences and play entirely different and have different content approach

Also here is a screenie of stats i had at that build, of course a draconic dc sorc, i will never taint my sorcs by going shiradi :
http://postimg.org/image/qi3inb7tb/

I laugh at those who take addie body and waste feats, and lose 20% dodge.
But lets assume a pure fleshie.
3% air ele form 1 haste 11 item 3 plifes for a nice sum of 18% dodge.
ITs imo more mitigation then harmor provides

[knockcocker]

why do people think harmor is the solution for everything sigh.
In my last sorc life i went 18 bf 1 fsoul 1 monk and utilized docents and being centerd while keeping all feats i need and could ever want for dcs/nuking.

If you want to play a harmor or addie body sorc, you will spend to many points, to many useless points in eldritch, you will waste some of mandatory feats and your dcs wont be high enough for epic elite contet.
So what you do then is splash 2-4 levels of fsoul or wizzard and just do a dumbed down shiradi.
Imo that is the natural progresion of addie body /palie levels or harmor feat unless you do what eth said.

So question toward opener, is he talking about shiradi sorcs or dc sorcs?
Since those 2 are appereantly 2 different existences and play entirely different and have different content approach

also here is a screenie of stats i had at that build, of course a draconic dc sorc, i will never taint my sorcs by going shiradi :
http://postimg.org/image/qi3inb7tb/

i laugh at those who take addie body and waste feats, and lose 20% dodge.

ikr

[Azurchaos]

For shield, don't forget the Skyvault Shield, a tower shield with 0 ASF.

It looks STUPID though, like you are walking around with the passenger door of a 747, I use a shield cosmetic over it.

Epic Elite version has two slots for red augments, to make up at least partially for the loss of your left handed caster stick.

It's useful situationally at least.

While not a tower shield the Fanion would be better used for a caster imho.

http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Fanion

[The_Golden]

So if you Do decide to run in Harmor (love the neologism btw) as a Sorc you get a less than optimal BAB bonus to your PRR.

My question is if you run Tensers do you get the full PRR bonus?

What about mithril Harmor? Counts as marmor (see what I did there?) but is actually Harmor.

[Eth]

So if you Do decide to run in Harmor (love the neologism btw) as a Sorc you get a less than optimal BAB bonus to your PRR.

My question is if you run Tensers do you get the full PRR bonus?

What about mithril Harmor? Counts as marmor (see what I did there?) but is actually Harmor.

Tenser's would be too much of a drawback (double cooldowns).
If you really want to raise your PRR by having max BAB, you could use scrolls of divine power. Can be bought in House of Wizardry in House J.
Only last 1 minute though.

[Endarire]

Does the arcane spell failure reduction from multiple augments on an item stack? If so, Heavy Shadow Dragon Armor looks appealing!

Second, what does DR/Epic block? (Yes, it can be overcome by units that bypass Epic DR, but what sorts of mobs bypass that at level 28?)

[Enderoc]

Not a sorc...but I think this is pretty good for a ranged caster....running in light armor has its advantages as a mage in my opinion...as a shirardi wraith

New Build
Wizard 20
Chaotic Good Elf


Stats
. . . . . . . .28pt . . 32pt. . .34pt . . 36pt . . Tome. . .Level Up
. . . . . . . .---- . . ----. . .---- . . ---- . . ----. . .--------
Strength. . . . .9. . . . 9 . . . 10. . . .10. . . .+6 . . . 4: INT
Dexterity . . . 15. . . .15 . . . 16. . . .17. . . .+6 . . . 8: INT
Constitution. . 14. . . .14 . . . 14. . . .14. . . .+6 . . .12: INT
Intelligence. . 16. . . .16 . . . 16. . . .16. . . .+6 . . .16: INT
Wisdom. . . . . 10. . . .14 . . . 14. . . .14. . . .+6 . . .20: INT
Charisma. . . . .8. . . . 8 . . . .8. . . . 8. . . .+6 . . .24: INT
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 28: INT

Feats

.1. . . . : Point Blank Shot
.1 Wizard : Extend Spell
.3. . . . : Rapid Shot
.5 Wizard : Heighten Spell
.6. . . . : Precise Shot
.9. . . . : Maximize Spell
10 Wizard : Mental Toughness
12. . . . : Manyshot
15. . . . : Spell Focus: Conjuration
15 Wizard : Improved Mental Toughness
18. . . . : Improved Critical: Ranged
20 Wizard : Spell Focus: Enchantment
21 Epic . : Improved Precise Shot
24 Epic . : Combat Archery
26 Destiny: Holy Strike
27 Epic . : Overwhelming Critical
28 Destiny: Doubleshot


Enhancements (80 AP)

Elf (21 AP)

• Elven Accuracy, Elven Dexterity, Elven Accuracy II
  
  1. Aerenal Weapon Training, Arcane Fluidity III
  2. Aerenal Weapon Training, Arcanum II
  3. Aerenal Weapon Training, Arcane Archer

Archmage (12 AP)

• Grease, Web
  
  1. Energy of the Scholar III, Spell Critical
  2. Spell Critical

Eldritch Knight (9 AP)

• Eldritch Strike
  
  1. Improved Mage Armor III, Toughness I
  2. Light Armor Proficiency, Martial Training

Elf-Arcane Archer (5 AP)

• Arcane Archer
  
  1. Conjure Arrows, Corrosive Arrows

Harper Agent (12 AP)

• Agent of Good I
  
  1. Harper Enchantment, Traveler's Toughness III, Strategic Combat
  2. Versatile Adept II
  3. Strategic Combat

Pale Master (21 AP)

• Dark Reaping, Zombie Form, Vampire Form, Wraith Form
  
  1. Deathless Vigor III, Negative Energy Conduit III
  2. Bone Armor III
  3. Cloak of Night III, Intelligence

Destiny (24 AP)

Shirardi Champion

1. Stay Frosty II, Dexterity
2. Prism, Dexterity
3. Rainbow, Otto's Whistler II
4. Double Rainbow, Stay Good III
5. Stand and Deliver, Nerve Venom III
6. Rain of Arrows

[Thrudh]

sorcs tend to draw a lot of aggro with aoe spells. Most of the time taking more aggro then one can handle.

In the old days, one would learn how to manage aggro better, and become a better player...

Nowadays, people just continue to play dumb and strap on heavy armor...

<sigh>

[Eth]

Does the arcane spell failure reduction from multiple augments on an item stack? If so, Heavy Shadow Dragon Armor looks appealing!

No, multiple equipment sources don't stack.
You can have:
- 15% from equipment
- 15% racial (bladeforged, drow, elf)
- 5%-35% from eldritch knight

So usually people will go for the equipment+racial+6AP in EK for a 35% reduction (or in other words 0% ASF in Heavy Armor)

Second, what does DR/Epic block? (Yes, it can be overcome by units that bypass Epic DR, but what sorts of mobs bypass that at level 28?)

Before U14 the only known boss to bypass DR/Epic (which is also available to monks) was Velah.
I'm not sure if they also added this to the newer dragon bosses.
Apart from that, pretty much nothing should bypass DR/Epic.