Is ruining Paladins the final blow to DDO?

[Buffyanne]

With the recent confirmation that Holy Sword is going to be nerfed to uselessness, Paladins will once again become a dead class. Frankly I think it was incrediably dishonest of Turbine to promote changes to the game, get people to play a class then go and take back all the changes and ruin the class. I will continue to play DDO but I will be canceling my VIP subscription when they make changes to Paladin (and I assume Barbarian shortly). I won't support a company financially that engages in dishonest marketing practices.

I really don't see how DDO can afford to lose more players, but I see no other result from this decision. Paladin is one the most popular classes, are all those people who suddenly have useless Paladins going to keep playing? Yes, some will, but many won't. Just this Friday on Orien in primetime there were 3 LFMs, one for Gianthold Saga, one for Necro 4 and one for Vale flagging. These are the three prime questing lines for L16-18 characters on a prime questing night and none of the groups could get one person in them. There are not enough people on now, nerfing classes is certainly not the going to help that.

By association I really have lost all desire to play any new classes. What is the point in investing in a Barbarian now when they are going to take away the self healing making it once again an unplayable class? Why even start a rogue when mechanics will get nerfed because after Paladins and Barbarians become unplayable the mechanic machine guns will be firmly in the forum spotlights. And what's the point of even trying Warlock? If Warlock ends up having an ability that is remotely fun/good it will be whined about and nerfed.

No one likes being lied to and I really feel cheated by DDO who promised one thing then are taking it back after hours upon hours of time investment. You see we made a pact, you made changes to the class, you promoted those changes, I liked those changes and invested a lot of hours into that class. Now you change the rules? I am thoroughly disappointed and letdown by DDO.

[Hiponic]

This is nothing new... I think they are just doing it to a class you like now you wana get salty...

lol GG Take care.

[Thrudh]

Pretty over-the-top post Buffy...

"Game is doomed."

"Nerfed to uselessness."

"dead class."

"unplayable"

"lied to and cheated by Turbine."

How credible is your OP if it contains a dozen exaggerations in just 3 paragraphs?

[jalont]

If five people leave the game because of some "nerf to paladins" that still leaves them as one of the most powerful classes in the game, but ten people that were going to leave because of the bait and switch of joining a challenging MMO only to watch bad players change the type of game it is stay, then Turbine ultimately comes out ahead.

[Lonnbeimnech]

With the recent confirmation that Holy Sword is going to be nerfed to uselessness

Was it? I know they said it was going to be changed at some point, but not that it was going to be made useless, or reverted.

If they decide that both extended crit range and multiplier is too much and that it will instead give one or the other, they will still be ahead of fighters in dps, still have the best saves in the game, still be self healing, still have really solid prr/mrr. Dunno, think they will be ok.

[Hiponic]

*sniffle sniffle*

I cant play my tank like a DPS monster any more..... whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


lol I really wish they would NERF a lot of classes.
You know make it so you actually need a Trapper or a Healer. Group game


Its really odd...l I was playing another game thats coming out in a couple weeks.. a very Team bases game that they were trying to make into a casual solo mode.
Why do team games keep reverting to making the games easier for people to solo.. iunno

[Red_Knight]

It's funny how many 'final blows to the game' have been dealt to DDO. Do you know what did nearly kill DDO? It wasn't class adjustments, quest rebalancing, nerfs, buffs, or any of that stuff. It was a lack of advertising for a pay to play game. When it launched I don't remember much in the way of an ad campaign. Nor did they sustain one. This was fixed majorly by adopting the 'free to play' model and beginning to advertise.


Actually, they might need to do another ad campaign soon. Servers are looking a lot less populated then they use to be.

[Red_Knight]

Its really odd...l I was playing another game thats coming out in a couple weeks.. a very Team bases game that they were trying to make into a casual solo mode.
Why do team games keep reverting to making the games easier for people to solo.. iunno

Because of the whining about the game being too hard.

[Lemdog]

change holy sword to give +1 range. . Easy enough nerf.

Just dont nerf my monks!

[Gremmlynn]

*sniffle sniffle*

I cant play my tank like a DPS monster any more..... whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


lol I really wish they would NERF a lot of classes.
You know make it so you actually need a Trapper or a Healer. Group game


Its really odd...l I was playing another game thats coming out in a couple weeks.. a very Team bases game that they were trying to make into a casual solo mode.
Why do team games keep reverting to making the games easier for people to solo.. iunno

Because there aren't a lot of teams signing on to play games. The games are just following the demographic of those who are playing them.

When you say "make it so you need a Trapper or Healer" many see "make it so you can't play till you find a Trapper and a Healer" and decide waiting around isn't their idea of entertainment.

It's pretty much the same reason any company does anything. It's what they feel will make them the most money.

[Cathimon]

The class is overpowered, you didn't expect a nerf? You're crazy then.

However I'm not surprised much of your reaction, Turbine should know better and adjust their game. They gave Pally/Bards and Barbs huge, HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE buffs. Who in the gaming industry does that? Never go over the top with buffs and nerfs.

[Buffyanne]

The class is overpowered, you didn't expect a nerf? You're crazy then.

This is the 3rd nerf to Paladins in 8 months. And it's not just the nerf, it is the systemic way the game designers make knee jerk reactions. I have no trust in a system where they suck you in to play something then take it away.

[Cathimon]

This is the 3rd nerf to Paladins in 8 months. And it's not just the nerf, it is the systemic way the game designers make knee jerk reactions. I have no trust in a system where they suck you in to play something then take it away.

Then cancel your sub and go play elsewhere. I am not joking, I just don't think it's going to change unless they change their staff or something dramatic like that.

[Steve_Howe]

Relative to the buffs Turbine gave to Bards and Barbs (and to a lesser extent, Rogues), I think the buff they gave to Paladins was just fine.

Instead of invalidating builds by breaking out the nerf-bat, I'd suggest buffing the rest of the classes when they get their passes.

[Susquehana]

*sniffle sniffle*

I cant play my tank like a DPS monster any more..... whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


lol I really wish they would NERF a lot of classes.
You know make it so you actually need a Trapper or a Healer. Group game


Its really odd...l I was playing another game thats coming out in a couple weeks.. a very Team bases game that they were trying to make into a casual solo mode.
Why do team games keep reverting to making the games easier for people to solo.. iunno

Games switch to solo because the market research says casuals and solo players are the majority of the available money in the MMO genre. DDO used to be a team based game and it was failing terribly when forced grouping and needed roles was the game. I played then and honestly I miss that but the game itself was a failure.

That said your posts are full of insults that lead to people not caring what you said.

[Cathimon]

Games switch to solo because the market research says casuals and solo players are the majority of the available money in the MMO genre. DDO used to be a team based game and it was failing terribly when forced grouping and needed roles was the game. I played then and honestly I miss that but the game itself was a failure.

That said your posts are full of insults that lead to people not caring what you said.

The game was a failure? It was a win you mean.

[Buffyanne]

Pretty over-the-top post Buffy...

"Game is doomed."

"Nerfed to uselessness."

"dead class."

"unplayable"

"lied to and cheated by Turbine."

How credible is your OP if it contains a dozen exaggerations in just 3 paragraphs?

I don't know let's see...

"game is doomed" didn't say that, but if one of the most popular classes in the takes a 3rd nerf in less than a year I don't see how that helps retain players.

"nerfed to uselessness" this will be the 2nd nerf to Holy Sword. I hardly see how it will remain useful at all after this. So yes, it will have been nerfed to uselessness and in the process it will no longer make taking 14 Paladin levels neccesary so the domino effect is easy to see.

"dead class" Paladins and Barbarians were dead classes in epics before the enhancement updates. (I am not counting 2 Paladin splashes for saves). Paladin's losing their DPS capability might not make them a dead class per se, but Barbarians losing blood strength will. Once the slippery slope of nerfing based on Forum posts begins it is easy to see where it leads.

"unplayable" Barbarians were certainly unplayable in epics before they could self heal. You almost never saw Barbarians in epic play.

"lied to and cheated by Turbine" They promote the new upgrades to classes and the new enhancement trees then change the product that you paid to play to something inferior. What would you call that? I was promised something and now am being given something else.

[Susquehana]

The game was a failure? It was a win you mean.

DDO before the change to solo failed, they consolidated servers and went F2P to save a dying game. The team based every character had a role version of DDo was in danger of being closed back then. The newer everyone can do it all DDO has done better financially.

[Axeyu]

Short answer: No

Long answer: Nope

[Cathimon]

DDO before the change to solo failed, they consolidated servers and went F2P to save a dying game. The team based every character had a role version of DDo was in danger of being closed back then. The newer everyone can do it all DDO has done better financially.

I joined the game when it became F2P and the game back then was way different than it is now. It was role based and I can only speculated it did better financialy then than it does now, and if you disagree I'm going to ask for proof.